Talk:Lei'd in Hawaii/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Live album for once! --K. Peake 09:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Remove the default cover from the infobox, as that is for example pages rather than albums with no actual cover
• The HIC Arena is not sourced anywhere in the body
• Wikilink live album
• "by the American rock band" → "by American rock band" with the pipe
• "of their 1967 release Smiley Smile." → "of their 12th studio album, Smiley Smile (1967)."
• Remove [1] from the lead since not only is that sourced in the body, but refs are discouraged here
• "Monterey Pop Festival in June." → "Monterey Pop Festival the following month."
• "in late August, the band's" → "in late August 1967, the Beach Boys'"
• Remove the first shows part since it's not notable for the lead
• Add a sentence directly after the Wilson one mentioning that however, Bruce Johnston declined to appear at the shows, so the para is a decent length of four sentences
• "the group arranged their songs in a similar minimalist style as" → "the band arranged their songs in a minimalist style similar to" with the pipe
• Pipe Baldwin organ to Baldwin Piano Company
• "Their set-list included several of their past" → "The Beach Boys' set-list included past"
• Pipe singles to Single (music)
• "in September, the band" → "in September 1967, the band"
• "as a live-in-the-studio album with the intention of inserting" → "as a live album in the studio, intending to insert" to be less repetitive with the body
• "The project was" → "Lei'd in Hawaii was"
• "their next album, Wild Honey." → "their next studio album, Wild Honey (1967)."
• Start the last para with a sentence about the critical reception for Lei'd in Hawaii
• Write reissues instead of box sets since the former is sourced in the body

Background

• The img text is not of any relevance; either reword or replace the img
• "The band's concerts in" → "Their concerts in"
• "while a sell-out, received" → "while selling out, were met with"
• "had bestowed upon the group" → "had bestowed upon them" because they are a band and changing to "them" may seem to be about other shows
• "In June, Brian Wilson" → "In June 1967, Brian Wilson"
• Remove comma before Smile and add the release year
• "The band also announced" → "The Beach Boys also announced"
• "they focused on" → "the band focused on" and add the album's release year
• Pipe rock n' roll to Rock and roll
• "Brian's 2016 memoir" → "Brian Wilson's 2016 memoir" per MOS:SAMESURNAME
• "Rumors that the band" → "Rumors that the Beach Boys"

Live performances

• Img looks good!
• "to play the" → "to play at the"
• "appearance from Brian Wilson," → "appearance from Wilson," per him being the most recent person of the surname mentioned
• "felt that the band's situation" → "felt that the Beach Boys' situation"
• Remove usage of "the" prior to NME
• Pipe Baldwin organ to Baldwin Piano Company
• "Doe adds that Wilson's" → "Doe adds that Brian's" per MOS:SAMESURNAME (another Wilson is mentioned here)
• Add surnames of Carl and Alan using [], as this is the first time that either of them are mentioned
• "stated that the occasion," → "stated that the performances,"
• "their venue, Brian responded," → "a venue, Brian Wilson responded," since Carl is the most recent Wilson to be mentioned
• "We wanted to another..." it looks like the word do is either missing from the quote or needs to be inserted using []
• "It would have been the band's" → "It would have been their"
• Wikilink live album outside of the quote per MOS:LINKSTYLE
• "speculated that a" → "speculates that a"
• "Smiley Smile album."" → "Smiley Smile album"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "show the group" → "shows the band"
• "their wives and girlfriends."" → "their wives and girlfriends"."
• "The group reconfigured" → "The Beach Boys reconfigured"
• Are you sure "the engagement" is an appropriate term here?
• "included several of their past hits," → "included several past hits," to avoid overusage of their
• "and the Box Tops'" → "and a cover version of the Box Tops'"
• "Footage of the band performing" → "Footage of them performing"
• Add the release year of "God Only Knows" in brackets
• Wikilink Radio City Music Hall, keeping pipe to An All-Star Tribute to Brian Wilson only on the text after the hall name
• "the group decided that the recordings were" → "the Beach Boys decided that the set was"
• "wrote that the band" → "wrote that they"

Studio sessions

• Pipe Wally Heider Recording to Wally Heider Studios
• "September 29 as the band" → "September 29, as the band"
• Isn't the song titled "The Game of Love"? Either way, add the release year in brackets
• Pipe overdubbed to Overdubbing
• Pipe spoken-word to Spoken word
• "of what became" → "of what became the Beach Boys' 13th studio album" and add the release year
• Remove wikilink on the Beatles

Release

• "the release of the live album." → "the release of Lei'd in Hawaii."
• Pipe compilations to Compilation album
• Wikilink reissues
• Made in California release is not sourced
• Pipe bootleg to Bootleg recording
• Pipe Friends to Friends (The Beach Boys album) and add the release year
• "for its digital-exclusive" → "on its digital-exclusive"

Critical reception

• "way with swing."" → "way with swing"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "wrote that the studio sessions" → "said that the studio sessions"
• Put more of Priore's review into your own words per WP:QUOTEFARM
• Pipe Pitchfork to Pitchfork (website)
• Wikilink the Who
• Pipe Uncut to Uncut (magazine)
• The Mike Love mention is not notable for the above review

Set list and tracks

• Add sources for these set lists
• Pipe "Hawaii" to Hawaii (The Beach Boys song)

References

• The ref is not needed after the note since it is also at the end of the sentence in the body
• Copyvio score looks solid at 24.2%!!!!
• Is ref 4 really needed when all of those pages are included for ref 5 already?
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 8
• Wikilink Da Capo Press on ref 10
• WP:OVERLINK of The Honolulu Advertiser on ref 12
• Remove the publisher from ref 15
• Is ref 17 really needed when all of those pages are included for ref 20 already?
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 19 instead of ref 23, though mark both with url-access limited
• Wikilink AllMusic on ref 22 instead of ref 24
• Pipe Uncut to Uncut (magazine) on ref 26 and remove it from the title
• Pipe Backbeat Books to Rowman & Littlefield

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed, after I reviewed this over a few days! --K. Peake 13:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

•  Done A few suggestions were not heeded because they didn't make sense (ex. adding a release year for Smile) or I wasn't sure how to implement them (ex. adding a note about critical reception to lead without it being WP:SYNTH). ili (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

• ILIL I must have not noticed the unfinished part during the review, but you can mention what critics mostly praised/criticized about the album without giving an overall consensus if you are trying to avoid WP:SYNTH; what else did you not implement? --K. Peake 07:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake:  Done I've added a statement about critical perspective in the lead. I did not remove the detail about the concerts being the first to feature Brian Wilson since 1965 because I thought that it was indeed lead-worthy. It was highly unusual for a rock group to tour without their frontman in the 1960s, and this occasion marked Wilson's last appearances in concert for the decade. ili (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• ILIL This mostly looks better, but the references need fixing where I commented about issues with the same pages still... elsewise, it's good to go! (Here is the old id) --K. Peake 22:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• I thought I had addressed every issue with the references. Not sure what else needs to be done. ili (talk) 22:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• ILIL What were refs 4 and 17 still remain, though they are now refs 3 and 16... fix this duplication of sorts. --K. Peake 08:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

• I can't do that because the claims corresponding to ref 3 (Badman pp. 188-190) aren't the same claims corresponding to ref 16 (Badman p. 199). If what you're actually suggesting is to combine the citations into "Badman pp. 188-190, 199", then I'm not sure why being less specific with sources would be an improvement. ili (talk) 08:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

• ILIL No, what I am confused about is why ref 3 cites pp. 188–190 when the below one cites 188-195 anyway, as well as why ref 16 cites p. 199 when ref 19 cites 199-200 already? --K. Peake 09:29, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

• As I've explained, the relevant text simply corresponds to different pages of the book. There's a relatively sizable amount of detail spread across the pages. Ref 3 pertains to details about their Monterey cancellation (May–June 1967) and ref 4 pertains to the subsequent recording and release of Smiley Smile (June–September 1967). I could have combined every sfn template into "Badman pp. 183-201" but then the reader would be forced to peruse 18 pages just to find the one sentence that would support the claim they're trying to verify. ili (talk) 21:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass granted, your explanation for the refs being separate makes sense to avoid heavy searching through books. --K. Peake 07:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)