Talk:Le Bourgeois gentilhomme

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Capitalisation[edit]

I struggle with French capitalisation conventions. Why would an adjective (Bourgeois) be capitalised but the noun to which it refers (gentilhomme) not be? — Jack of Oz [your turn] 03:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Different countries capitalize — and spell — differently. My French is weak-to-very-weak, but I have a friend in Brussel whom I just e-mailed your question. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've referred the question to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2011 April 19#French capitalisation of adjectives and nouns in titles. The discussion is ongoing, but the information so far strongly suggests that any translation that assumes, as I did, that "Bourgeois" is an adjective and "gentilhomme" is a noun, is 180 degrees wrong. It's not about a gentleman who happens to be bourgeois; it's about a member of the Bourgeoisie who happens to be a gentleman – a gentlemanly bourgeois, if you like, not a bourgeois gentleman. Hard to express that in English, I know. This will, or should, have some ramifications for our article. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 21:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Drama in their list of works by Molière capitalizes it as Le bourgeois gentilhomme and translate it as The Bourgeois Gentleman. Grove Music Online and The New Grove Dictionary of Opera capitalize it the same (but do not translate). The usual Wikipedia policy is to follow the practice found in standard English sources. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The word "gentilhomme" is a noun (see here), while "bourgeois" is used as either an adjective or a noun (see here). The McGraw-Hill tranlation would seem to be OK. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Translation[edit]

There is only one translation of the title of this play that I have seen at all commonly, and that is "The Would-be Gentleman". Yet (bizarrely, it seems to me) that is not among the translations mentioned in the lede.JBritnell (talk) 14:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]