Talk:Layla bint al-Minhal

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Khalid[edit]

Parts of this article are about Khalid without much relevance to Layla. I'd like to remove the last paragraph, and the second last paragraph needs to be rewritten. It mentions Layla, Khalid's wife; does this mean that Khalid took Layla as his wife after killing Malik? Jayvdb 06:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I still have not seen any good source for that, i am convinced that she was snuff-raped, but that Khalid's proponents rather see it in some other way.--Striver 15:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read here Tabari: Volume no: 2, Page= 504-5 it says that Khalid ibn Walid married" layla, if you "still" dont consider it the "good" source then sorry, you are ignoring the historical facts.
and as far as for the fact that Khalid married Layla, and didn't raped her nor killed her after raping (as shia claim lolzz),

so lets 1st see did he really raped her or not..
The punishment of Rape in Islam is "death", Khalid was not stoned to death, not he was even charged over his act of "marrying layla" by Abu Bakr, after abu bakr's death Umar became caliph, even he did'nt charged khalid for any crime against layla or malik, it means umar totally agreed with the desicion of abu bakr about khalid, as umar said ....

I have not dismissed Khalid because of my anger or because of any dishonesty on his part, but because people glorified him and were misled. I feared that people would rely on him. 6 I want them to know that it is Allah who does all things; and there should be no mischief in the land.

( Tabari: Vol. 3, p. 167.)

i think its enough to prove khalid free from any guilty act against layla or malik.

2ndly lests see wather khalid married killed layla(as claimed by shia) or married her.

Malik was killed in November 632 A.D, ( according to the estimation of Agha ibrahim akram author of khalid's biography), the battle of yamamah was fought in third week of December 632 A.D, this mean after about 5-6 weaks of the layla's case. it is mention in Tabari: Vol. 2, p. 511 that when in battle of yamamah muslims forces retreated in the 1st half of battle, muslaimah's soldiers entered muslims camps in khalid's camp they found his newly married wife Layla they rushed to kill her but were stoped by there trible leader Muja'a who was taken prison by muslims during a raid and was in irons in khalid's camp, he said "i am her protector, go for the men" . Muja'a was layla's relative from father's side.

well, this narrations shows that Layla was not killed by khalid, she was still alive after 6 weaks of her marrige to khalid, umar's decleration of khalid as inocent from any dishonesty from his part is another prove that except killing of Malik, khalid did nothing wrong with her wife, and he married her.
striver: bro i think now you have got your "good" sources, i know u r shia and i am not forceing u to belive what i belive, but i have shown u the thing which is clear, i guess crystal clear from historical facts. waiting for your shia sources, what they say about this case, i have only see one source (tahts a weak source indeed it a site) saying khalid raped layla, probably to make the matter more "emotional" to get the attention of reader to khalid's so called dark side. Mohammad Adil 04:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More information is needed[edit]

Howdy, There is a need to incorporate the denouncement of Umar against Khalid:

“the enemy of Allah attacked a Muslim man and murdered him and then raped his wife”

History of Tabari, II p 503, History of Ibn Al Athir, III p 149, Usd Al Ghabah, IIII 295, History of Ibn Asakir, V p 105, 112, Khaza’in Al Adab, I p 237, History of Ibn Al Katheer VI, p 321, History of Khamis II p 233

“عدو الله عدا على امرئ مسلم فقتلته ثم نزا على امرأته”

( تأريخ الطبري 2 ص 503، تأريخ ابن الأثير 3 ص 149، أسد الغابة 4: 295، تأريخ ابن عساكر 5 ص 105، 112، خزانة الأدب 1: 237، تأريخ ابن كثير 6 ص 321، تاريخ الخميس، 2: 233، الإصابة ج 1 ص 414 و ج ص 357.)

As well as the other account on Mailk's death, we can do so after the modification of the main article about Khalid.cheers, --Suhrawardi 16:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes umar said that, but the point to be noted here is that Umar was not present at the time when the incident happned, therefore what ever he said was baised upon the narrations he got from malik's brother and abu qatadah (accodring to Tabari: Vol. 2, pp. 501-2.)
When abu bakr called khalid back to madinah, umar met khalid in the prophet's mosque and said ..."You killed a Muslim and snatched his wife, You ought to be stoned to death." , khalid ignored him so that may matter will not become more seriour as umar had a great influence in front of abu bakr, he went straight to abu bakr.
When abu bakr decleared khalid inocent from the claims over him khalid went to umar in the prophet's mosque and said to him "come to me O' left handed-one' ", umar simply went to his home with out replying khalid(Tabari: Vol. 2, p. 504.), this clearly shows that umar was embarrassed over his behaviour with khalid.
as far as Abu qatadah is concern then after khalid was decleared inocent he fought under khalid in battle of yammah and in the iraq campaigns.
in the light of above mentioned narrations it is clear that umar and abu qatadah were satisfied with abu bakr in declearig khalid inocent from the claims of murdering a muslim.
The most important and strange thing is that layla didn't said any thing rearding khalid's behaviour to wards her husband, all that was done by abu qatada and malik's brother, i think its enough to support the argument that layla was satisfied being khalid's wife. Mohammad Adil 16:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many unsourced statements[edit]

Way too many unsourced claims in this article. "Sahaba" and "lovely legs" ?! Please find sources for these. Unflavoured (talk) 03:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutrality Issues[edit]

This articles is suffering from serious neutrality issues. The Shi’a view is that Malik was a sahaba, he supported Ali and then was unjustly killed and Layla was raped. --Zaynab1418 (talk) 16:55, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]