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Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit. The matter seeking consensus is the use of TopHit.ru as a source for song release dates. Thank you, Heartfox (talk) 04:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

About Genealogy/Ancestry.

Before you make any changes to Gaga’s early life portion outlaying her ancestry let’s discuss it here please and hopefully you will read my writing here . The edit I made today I gave along with this reasoning: “Added information on genealogy. If you wish to change this please discuss this with me. As the information is accurate. And I have provided sources even though some people seem to have an issue with me removing misleading information, for whatever reason. Thank you, I really appreciate it. I highly value genealogical research and only want the most accurate representation of Gaga’s ancestry for her page.”

Gaga is not known to have any French-Canadian ancestry this was a false claim made by Christopher Child in 2011 to try and prove a relationship between her and Madonna. You can view thiz article here for more information on that here is the link: https://www.perche-quebec.com/madonna/individus/madonna-lady-gaga-en.htm

I also want to add that I am a genealogist and actively research Gaga’s genealogy on a Germanotta Tree I have on ancestry.com. I can also share that and it has all the records proving Gaga’s descent included if you know how to navigate Ancestry.com . Thank you! Magnumb22 (talk) 09:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@ArthurSik Magnumb22 (talk) 06:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

"Fame Monster: The Lady Gaga Story" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Instruments

Before you make any changes to the instruments parameter in the infobox like adding or removing instruments, please discuss it here and refer to Infobox musical artist- Instruments. Janahones (talk) 14:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Gaga has been actively using guitar (both electronic and acoustic) for her tours and even live performances at least since 2011 and was her primary instrument throughout the Joanne era.

Keytar on the other hand too is one of her main instruments, and is even emblematic of her stage persona.

Both of these instruments should be added as they reflect important phases/aspects of her career. Janahones (talk) 23:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The instruments parameter in the infobox is correct, she is best known as a singer and pianist, any other instrument(s) are secondary. Please review Infobox musical artist- Instruments. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

That’s not what’s prescribed at all. That is not what has been the standards for other artists (look at Taylor Swift’s page for example). The guideline says “Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using” and that is only what I’m suggesting here as both Guitar and Keytar are emblematic of her artistic phases/stage personas. The page for Keytar has her picture because she has been one of the few popular artists to utilize the instrument in such an advanced manner.

She plays drums and other instruments too but that isn’t what I’m recommending. Janahones (talk) 04:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

I’m suggesting [...] Guitar and Keytar are emblematic". Can you provide sources for such "emblematic" performances? (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:38, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Keytar for her Super Bowl Halftime Show, Coachella set + ALL of her tours. Guitar for Born This Way Ball Tour (Electric Guitar) - her highest grossing world tour - and especially the Joanne era (Acoustic Guitar), including the Coachella set.

These are just specific moments of her career but the use of the instruments has been consistent since the very beginning of her career until very recently. Janahones (talk) 20:54, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Image in infobox

In my opinion this image should be brought back to the article's infobox, while the one currently in it should be in 2020-present section. To me, the one taken on the inauguration looks better, and "describes" Gaga better than a photo from one of her tours, which only is pin-pointed to that one point in the time to be honest. infsai (talkie? UwU) 18:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Done, I agree. --Sricsi (talk) 11:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Michael Jackson or David Bowie?

Who has influenced Lady Gaga more? I think it's obviously MJ. So surely there should be a picture of MJ next to Madonna on the 'Infuence' section of this page right? She has spoken about MJs influence on her constantly through out her life and she owns countless of MJ clothing and items among other stuff. Alessiorom13 (talk) 06:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Bowie's influence is more evident throughout the article. Look section 'Career beginnings'. Also, her tribute performance to him at the Grammys. In general, she has been much more vocal about the influence of Bowie on her career than any other artist. It's also much more visible in her image, for example the lightning bolt during The Fame era. Although both influenced her, replacing Bowie's picture with Jackson's can't be justified based on the contents of the article. ArturSik (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Bowie per above. @Alessiorom13, many of your edits appear to be based on your intuition, which can be an excellent starting point for editing articles, but you have to back up your claims by good sources or your edits will be reverted. This is especially true if something has been stated in an article for quite some time because its consensus is implied. As it stands, the cited sources reflect Bowie being a larger inspiration to LG, so it would be entirely inaccurate to change the text and images otherwise. It also appears you may have an agenda, as your contribution history shows you adding mentioning of MJ to several articles. MJ was very accomplished, but there’s no point in twisting sources and adding his mentioning when not necessary. Spongeworthy93 (talk) 14:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Definitely Bowie! I mean, MJ has influenced her as well, but she mentions Bowie more often, specially during the begging of her career. She even has a tattoo of him. GagaNutella^talk 15:44, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Without a doubt Bowie. Her tribute performance and praise for him make it very clear he was a profound influence and we shouldn't downplay this by excluding the guy. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Gaga's signature in infobox?

Can we get consensus on whether to have Lady Gaga's signature at the bottom of the infobox, similar to Beyonce, Barack Obama, Michael Jackson, Justin Bieber, Freddie Mercury, etc?

• Include: I added her signature, but my edit was reverted because according the user, it "feels more decorative than anything else." I do not see it this way. A decoration would be an image that is does not contribute substance to an article. For example, if the text said "Lady Gaga loves eating apples" and an image of an apple was included with the caption "An apple, a fruit Lady Gaga likes to eat." That would be an example of an image that is purely decorative. A signature is not that. A signature gives the reader information about Lady Gaga. Her signature is big and bold, reflecting her confidence. It's not just typical cursive--it's creative with big strokes and curves--obviously a signature from somebody in the arts. I don't see it as a decoration. I see it as an important detail, and it's a shame not to use it since we have it available for our use. Spongeworthy93 (talk) 01:43, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

• Do not include: All we can say for certain about what signatures represent (aside from what one's handwriting looks like) is a formal identity, a nickname, or (in this case) a professional alias. They don't always carry as much meaning as you seem to think. I fail to see how it benefits viewers as much as seeing what the woman herself looks like. Furthermore, it's not something she's prominently noted for unlike somebody such as John Hancock, whose large signing on the Declaration of Independence was such a defining feature for him that his name has become synonymous with one's signature. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

That's simply not true. There is peer-reviewed research showing artificial intelligence can quite accurately predict personality traits of individuals based on their signatures. This technology was designed for future use in criminology and psychiatry. Sometimes things carry more meaning than you think.

Of course, if we had to pick one, yes, we'd choose having Lady Gaga's headshot over an image of her signature, but you don't have to choose one. You can have both (like Beyonce, Barack Obama, Michael Jackson, Justin Bieber, Freddie Mercury, Elon Musk, Elizabeth II, Kim Kardashian, Steve Jobs*, Stephen Hawking**, Abraham Lincoln, Johnny Depp, Ariana Grande..........)

(*) notably, Steve Jobs's signature is in all lowercase letters, perhaps an effort at modesty?

(**) Stephen Hawking's signature is obviously affected by his Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis and I appreciate its inclusion in the article

You can tell a lot from signatures. And there's no reason not to include Lady Gaga's signature at the bottom of the infobox. Spongeworthy93 (talk) 02:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

It comes off as presumptuous to say things about one's personality solely based on how they sign their name. I'm pretty sure you'd get a better sense of who someone is by spending time with the individual, watching clips of them, or even reading articles written on that person. Regardless, saying "everyone how has a signature file available" features this on their respective articles is a stretch. We don't need to use exaggerations just to make a point. Still not convinced there's any benefit to add these unless it's a famous aspect of them and am not sure why it got added to any of the bios listed above. As for a reason to exclude that particular linked file, I just noticed it has an invalid source code and the URL used for a file reference gives a 404 error. That's definitely not good. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I understand you think it seems presumptuous, but that's why the research on it is peer-reviewed and the hypothesis would be rejected if statistically insignificant. So yes, it's presumptuous until the null hypothesis is rejected. Besides the personality point, it's her signature, her mark. People interested enough to read an article about Lady Gaga would likely be interested in seeing what her signature looks like. That's part of the reason you see autographs and letters displayed in museums--people often enjoy seeing a very "human" aspect of a celebrity--their handwriting. It should not be left out simply because you don't find it useful or interesting. Personally, I always look at the infobox of a celebrity's Wikipedia article for their signature because I think it's interesting to see the vast differences in celebrities' signatures. I assumed there was simply not an image for Gaga's signature, and that is why it was missing, and that is why I added it. Spongeworthy93 (talk) 04:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Fixed it to link to an archive. Spongeworthy93 (talk) 04:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

• Include: It should be put in, we do it for everyone who has a signature file available --FMSky (talk) 02:40, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Any further input from the community as to include Gaga's signature in infobox or not? –Spongeworthy93 (talk) 15:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• Include - I feel that if an article subject is someone who would be asked for an autograph and the signature is verified authentic, then I don't see a problem having it in the infobox. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I digitized a signature from an image of a signed copy of Love for Sale from Gaga's online store so we can have an updated signature to place in the infobox, shall we arrive at a consensus to include a signature. Please see it below. —Spongeworthy93 (talk) 22:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

That signature from that site is a copyright violation. Acalamari 12:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

• Do not include on the basis that all these signatures we have in biographies are silly and the vast majority should be removed, with notable exceptions kept like John Hancock's as SNUGGUMS says. Lady Gaga isn't known for her signature and having it in the article adds absolutely nothing except cater to elements of the fanbase who want to add every detail about her, no matter what. Acalamari 12:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you for your feedback; although we are in disagreement, I do want to get a consensus because from the community as to what to include and what not to include, so your feedback is appreciated. As far as the signature being a copyright violation, it is not. It is digitally recreated from the source listed and is Public Domain and ineligible for copyright. If you click on the file you will find copyright information and source. It is similar to the signature on the Taylor Swift page. spongeworthy93 talk  16:34, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Length

About 10,000 words. – Sca (talk) 14:37, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Year-End Boxscore

What if we added Billboard's year-end chart data just next to Chromatica Ball's earnings? Gaga was the highest grossing female artist of 2022, this is worth mentioning in the article.

https://www.billboard.com/2022-year-end-boxscore-charts/#top-40-tours Varhegy (talk) 15:09, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

"Gaga was the highest grossing female artist of 2022" - we can certainly mention that. FrB.TG (talk) 15:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Need your help for a Gaga's wiki!

Could you please do the Bloody Mary English page please? It exists in other languages but not English yet and I can't do it since it won't translate as I rarely make English wikis.

Thank you for reading me! :) JulienSorel1965 (talk) 16:44, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Bloody Mary (Lady Gaga song)? (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Trim

The list of people she influenced could easily be halved, since at least 50% of the people listed aren't that famous anyway. We get it- she's a big deal. Her successful career attests sufficiently to this. Just because Joe Schmoe from buttf**k-nowhere claims her as "inspiration" doesn't mean Joe is that relevant in Lady Gaga's article, for Christ's sake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.239.172 (talk) 01:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Number one in Hungary

Could the main section be shortened a bit by cutting references to "number 1 in Hungary" or "number 1 in France" and concentrating on chart positions in UK / US, arguably the most important markets? Otherwise the relative success or failure of singles is not really put into perspective and it sounds more like a fanpage celebrating obscure stuff and grasping at straws rather than a neutral encyclopedia. 2A00:D520:4:D900:3D55:671A:C8E9:8F4E (talk) 15:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

No, those shouldn't be removed; being from a certain nation doesn't make it any less important. The way you suggested any market could be "the most important" problematically perpetuates a systemic bias of prioritizing charts for America/Britain above those from all other territories. These were added to help add a variety of charts instead of limiting the page's scope to only one or two. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:45, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Bullshit. UK / US are the most important music markets in the world. The only reason something like Hungary was added was to make certain songs look more successful than they were. (Otherwise you'd also have to mention that a song made it to number 63 in Paraguay.) Putting success into perspective by also highlighting lower charting songs seems like it would be important for an unbiased account of a career. 2A00:D520:4:D900:1F3:A431:740F:B0B0 (talk) 18:46, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding more charts is fine, but it isn't helpful to reinforce slants towards any particular market by treating it as the most important or disregarding other markets. It comes off as unfairly dismissive towards other nations, and you haven't at all been subtle with your personal bias favoring America and Britain. Your accusation of making anything "look more successful than they were" is also unfounded when it simply states a fact about one country's numbers and doesn't automatically give any indication of performances elsewhere. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2023

"According to Guinness World Records, she was the most followed person on Twitter from 2011 to 2013" -> "According to Guinness World Records, she was the most followed person on Twitter in 2013"

Rationale: the source does not say she had the most Twitter followers in 2011. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:C080:DE13:D452:6C5D (talk) 10:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Source for 2011 re-added Hyphenation Expert (talk) 20:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2023

-> move this source to the section below ("2008–2010: Breakthrough with The Fame and The Fame Monster").

Rationale: this source's current location is incorrect. Cited info and the source's content do not match. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:E19F:951D:2C2:A807 (talk) 15:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

References

This is the source currently numbered 29. 2600, where precisely do you want it moved to? Maproom (talk) 21:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Maproom After a second thought, I think it's best that we delete it since the "2008-2010" section is already well-sourced. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:34B6:DEA5:B67B:AB2E (talk) 10:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

The source needs to be removed because the cited info and the source's content do not match. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:34B6:DEA5:B67B:AB2E (talk) 13:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This request is entirely unclear. What content is it that this source does not support and therefore justifies deleting it (rather than addressing the apparently-unsourced content)? -- Pinchme123 (talk) 05:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

They recorded and produced electropop tracks, sending them to music industry executives. Joshua Sarubin, the head of Artists and repertoire (A&R) at Def Jam Recordings, responded positively and, after approval from Sarubin's boss Antonio "L.A." Reid, Gaga was signed to Def Jam in September 2006. -> cited info and the source's content do not match. This is source manipulation. 172.220.8.65 (talk) 07:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done IP is correct that the source does not support any of the content so it shouldn't be there. However, there is the Morgan source beside it, which I've left in place. FrB.TG (talk) 11:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2023

Broken link under References, Citations, 287. " Van Meter, Jonathan (February 10, 2011). "Lady Gaga: Our Lady of Pop". Vogue. Archived from the original on September 26, 2014. Retrieved November 26, 2011." Tharindu101 (talk) 23:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

The ref is:

• Van Meter, Jonathan (February 10, 2011). "Lady Gaga: Our Lady of Pop". Vogue. Archived from the original on September 26, 2014. Retrieved November 26, 2011.

where I have omitted all of the actual links but in red is the indeed broken link. Fortunately, the blue link is live, containing as it says an archived version of that ref. I tagged it as dead, so now it is:

• Van Meter, Jonathan (February 10, 2011). "Lady Gaga: Our Lady of Pop". Vogue. Archived from the original on September 26, 2014. Retrieved November 26, 2011.

and the most prominent link is the live one. Thanks for letting us know! DMacks (talk) 23:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Friends reunion

A reference needs adding to the fact she appeared in friends reunion show 2A02:C7C:849B:CA00:589E:6128:DD57:8AE2 (talk) 12:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

NME already does this within the "Chromatica, Love for Sale, and House of Gucci" section. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2024

In the infobox section please hyperlink New York City and change it to look like New York City. For several other celebrity pages on wiki, the names of the Cities they were born are hyperlinked. Why isn't this one hyperlinked? 76.64.181.63 (talk) 01:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Beats me why that wasn't linked, but I regardless have added a link for that, and "several" is an understatement when there are many pages that link birth cities within infobox. It appears to be standard practice. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Origin of Name?

Couldn’t find a word in this dense article sbout the origin of her name Lady Gaga 2604:2D80:ED08:A00:B4BE:A5D8:255D:489E (talk) 15:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Look under the "2005–2007: Career beginnings" section; you'll find the origins towards the end of its first paragraph. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)