Talk:La Jetée

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References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

• Herz, Marion (2006). "Prime Time Terror: The Case of La Jetée and 12 Monkeys". In Kavoori, Anandam P.; Fraley, Todd (eds.). Media, Terrorism, and Theory: A Reader. Rowman & Littlefield. ISBN 0742536300.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik II (talk • contribs) 17:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

There's no point to "adding" a reference to the article if it has not actually been used to source specific facts in the article, and used in inline citations. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of stuff, including bibliographic material.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

DVD / Blu-ray releases

Information about the English narrated DVD version etc.

This is interesting information about the movie La Jetee and is a welcome addition to the article. I feel this information, regarding the preference of viewers and fans of the movie for the English narrated version of La Jetee etc., best belongs in the 'Trivia' section rather than in the introduction. Let's keep the introduction as a crisp and highly relevant summary of the film. Could someone amend the article accordingly? Thanks. Splashprince 03:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

DVD Releases

The first bullet point states that the dvd is only available in region 2. Two sentences later, it states that the DVD is now available in region 1 (Criterion). Shouldn't both statements simply be removed? Kwyjibear 00:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Kwyjibear, you are right; we can make do without these specifics about which regional setting etc. without compromising the article at all. Go ahead and rectify. Thanks. AppleJuggler 13:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of the title

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"but in this case idiomatically meaning 'The Terminal,'"

The title could also be referring to the kind of terraces on that were availible on airports before, were one could stand and watch the airplanes land and take off. --Blenda Lovelace 14:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember it being an airport terminal. I remember it being an actual jetty. In 12 Monkeys it's an airport terminal. I'm taking "Terminal" out for now. --Chinasaur 05:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It is in an airport, but it is also an actual jetty. --Chinasaur 05:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk about airplanes: Huh?

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How is this:

When air flight was first introduced, airplanes would taxi up to a concrete walkway build onto the runway that was at the level of the entryway to the plane. As planes changed over time, airports were forced to change to movable walkways and staircases to accommodate ever increasing diversity.

relevant to anything related to this movie? Does the title of the slideshow ah I mean movie mean airplane walkway? Meaning is the translation of "la jetee" believed to refer to a (water) pier or the walkway used to board a plane? And if it is, can we just say that and not get into the history of airplane boarding (especially since this snippet, out of context, is of negligible value)? Too, the end of the last sentence (in the passage above) makes no sense. What exactly is "ever increasing [sic] diversity"? Are we now using politically correct language when referring to changes in commercial-airline boarding policy?

However -- don't bother rewording just that one sentence, because I'm inclined to remove the entire passage unless someone can tell me why anything about airplanes is even in this article.

Sugarbat 02:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The present wording, "The Jetty," here referring to an outdoor viewing pier at an airport appears to resolve this dispute, without any necessity to go into rambling, off-topic material about historical airports, nor original research on how to translate the title loosely.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:09, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Hitchcock's Vertigo reference

Please mentioned which scene from Vertigo is referenced in La Jetee. Thanks. Splashprince 04:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't make the original comment in the article, but I assume it is the scene in Big Basin with the redwood trees (Madeleine points to the tree rings and says, roughly, "here I was born, and here I died"). In Jetee, there is a scene in the museum with a big redwood tree slice. Chris Marker mentions the connection between his scene and the Hitchcock movie in Sans Soleil. This is also the scene from Vertigo that appears in 12 Monkeys. --Chinasaur

Chinasaur, thanks for that. I now remember the scene in Vertigo where Madeleine points to the tree rings. It is similar to the scene in which the protagonist La Jetee does the same. I might add something brief about this in the article, in case some readers start to wonder. Cheers. Splashprince 14:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I did. it was written like this:

• A scene in La Jetée (San Francisco area forest) is an explicit reference to Alfred Hitchcock's 1958 Vertigo film (which is the adaptation of D'entre Les Morts, a 1954 French novel, by Boileau-Narcejac).

ever watched Vertigo? the tree rings scene dammit! its about the relation between people and time. this scene is even portrayed on screen in Twelve Monkeys when Bruce Willis is in the theater. this is is key scne why did you removed this form the article? Paris By Night 19:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably because all of this is original research film analysis. Anything like such an interpretative evaluation must come from an independent, secondary, reliable source.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  02:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Camera used

"The stills were taken with a Pentax 24x36" This is the standard frame size for a 35mm camera, no one calls it a 24x36. BebopBob (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The current version of the page identifies the camera as a Pentax Spotmatic, with a footnote citing a 2004 interview with Antoine Bonfanti. Unfortunately, itseems the Spotmatic wasn't released until 1964 -- two years after La Jetée was released. It have no idea how this could be fixed -- does anyone else? Ksimons (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Removal of link to complete film hosted on Google Video

Via WP:LINKVIO and WP:YOUTUBE, I am removing the link to the complete film hosted on Google Video. The copyright status of the work should be determined before including this link. Since the film was made after 1923, there is reasonable doubt that it is in the public domain. --NilsTycho (talk) 07:17, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering too why it's so easy to see the complete film anywhere on the internet. Is it public domain, or nobody complains about it? 92.144.58.63 (talk) 20:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Nobody complains about it. YouTube is full of literally millions of copyright violations like this. E.g. virtually any music video ever made can be found in full-length form on there. I'm not really sure why Google (YouTube's owner) hasn't been sued into the ground, but whatever: It's not WP's job to help them infringe.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:12, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

No, it's called the Internet. A place of sharing and not of locking away art, information and culture. --Fixuture (talk) 17:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Philosophically, I tend to agree, but that doesn't affect Wikipedia's WP:COPYRIGHT rules, the particulars of which were handed to us from WP:OFFICE and aren't subject to editor-community consensus override. Think of this as association football. You can't play it by American football or rugby or Australian rules football codes no matter how much you might prefer those other rulesets. If you want to be a copyright rebel, I'm sure you can find the torrent sites. Use with care. LOL.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  02:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Why incorrect capitalisation?

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The first and last words in titles are always capitalised in both English and French. Is there any reason why this convention is ignored here? The poster indicates a capital J is appropriate. Mdw0 (talk) 04:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Suggested move

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La jetée → La Jetée – A film title should be capitalized. Mwelch (talk) 19:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

• Mwelch, it may be worth looking at WP:NCF#Foreign-language films. The most relevant example is Bande à part. I've seen this title capitalized in my readings, though, so I'm not sure what criteria we need to follow in determining the letter case beyond the first word. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:47, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NCF#Foreign-language films. It is also covered (although not thoroughly and not decisively enough for my liking) at WP:NCCAPS#Capitalization of expressions borrowed from other languages. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support, but not for the reasons above. The poster and various sources seem to suggest that this title should be capitalised in its native language. In addition, our French counterparts seems to have it capitalised at fr:La Jetée, which suggests that capitalisation is the best representation of the title. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
• Speedy move. The first word of a French film title that is a not a definite article (like la) is capitalized. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 15:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support per Orange Suede Sofa's linked guideline, and Rob's evidence fits that guideline. Exactly what I was hoping for to clarify this matter. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:52, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support Incorporating outside styles isn't a good idea anyway. --Ring Cinema (talk) 15:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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Unexplained source comment

The following was in an HTML comment placed seemingly at random: note the link above also refers to http://www.so-rimlee.com/literature-supernova/2011/5/10/roland-barthes-camera-lucida-excerpts.html, but the source immediately above this statement does not mention the page at that URL, which URL goes to some random blog anyway, so it's not a reliable source per WP:SPS. I've removed this comment from the article.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Interpretation section

I've added some sourced material to this section in response to the "expand section" tag on it, and removed that tag. If others think it still needs to be expanded, add it back if you like, or better yet, expand the section further with reliably sourced material.

An HTML comment under the heading at La Jetée#Interpretation read "could be renamed sth a "Themes" / "Reception" / "Reviews" / "Interpretations" / "Analysis" / .... I've removed the comment from the article, as whether to rename and re-scope a section is a talk page matter.

 — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Unreliable source

The La Jetée#Interpretation section is relying upon an unreliable self-published source, someone's personal film blog, FilmsLie.com. I don't see any evidence that this is a multi-author publication with an editorial board, nor any independent sources suggesting this is a renowned blog by a subject-matter expert. It just some random guy's film-related essays and other writings. So, the extended block quotation from this site should simply be removed.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Random, unexplained reference to undocumented DJ performance?

Why is there a random, unexplained reference to an undocumented DJ performance? Seems like scheming for link building/credibility building. I'm going to delete it unless someone has strong feelings. Seems unnecessary: "Kode9 in collaboration with Ms. Haptic, Marcel Weber (aka MFO), and Lucy Benson created an homage to La Jetée in 2011, for the Unsound Festival."

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