Talk:Krejčíková–Siniaková doubles team

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 10:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Siniaková and Krejčíková
Siniaková and Krejčíková

Created by Hameltion (talk). Self-nominated at 15:43, 22 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Krejčíková–Siniaková doubles team; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough and long enough. Well sourced. Copyvio check good. No issues with photo, and I agree this is better for DYK than infobox photo. QPQ done. I prefer ALT1. Riley1012 (talk) 19:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks @Riley1012. Wondering if you have a preference for any of the suggested hooks? I'd be fine with any of them. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 23:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Hameltion I mentioned that ALT1 is my preference. ALT0 would be my second choice, but they are all fine. -Riley1012 (talk) 23:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Doubles performance timeline[edit]

@Hameltion:, I saw the inaccurate doubles performance timeline in the hidden comment. I can help you finish it.

Were you thinking on having a timeline which only included results from events where the duo had played together as a team OR combine both player's doubles results and also include results from events when they played with different partners? See my subpage for assistance. Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:53, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerty284651: Wow, that would be fantastic, thanks for offering. The first option – only events they entered as a team. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 01:14, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion, any other thing you'd like to be added to this article? Qwerty284651 (talk) 03:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing really in particular, do want to expand the Playing style section. Maybe a Records section if there's enough to add there? Hameltion (talk | contribs) 06:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They've played 1 Fed Cup as a team (2019), in another 1 year prior (2018) they were scheduled to play but the match wasn't played as a dead rubber. Do I need their 2018 result to the timeline? Qwerty284651 (talk) 15:28, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I kind of want to leave 2018 in the timeline even though they didn't end up playing. Maybe add a footnote to that effect. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:36, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Will do. Qwerty284651 (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion, what do I do with year-end rankings: https://prnt.sc/NbWP1WCUefFd? Do I use team year-end of individual year-end ranking or remove the bottom row altogether? Qwerty284651 (talk) 08:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If there's a way to find where they place on this list every year (even when not qualifying for the tour finals), that would be best. Otherwise I'd say just leave out the rankings in non-qualifying years. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And thanks again for helping with an important part of this article! Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:21, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion, sure thing. Qwerty284651 (talk) 14:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would you reword the footnote "Dead rubber match not contested" in the chart or keep it as is? Qwerty284651 (talk) 07:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The note looks fine. I am wondering where the data at the bottom is sourced from; e.g., 2017 says they played two tournaments (I think maybe Stuttgart was one?) but the only one listed they didn't actually play together.
Unrelated, junior and ITF finals would be worth adding from the individual stats pages for completeness. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 12:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
An October event in Moscow. Ignore the funky doubles draw. ITF updated their URL order recently...from this into this travesty. Qwerty284651 (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See difference in old: https://event.itftennis.com/itf/web/usercontrols/tournaments/tournamentprintabledrawsheets.aspx?tournamentid=1020000331&tenniscatecode=WT&eventid=1020000475
vs. new url: https://www.itftennis.com/en/tournament/draws-and-results/print/?tournamentId=1020000331&circuitCode=WT&matchTypeCode=S&eventClassificationCode=M. Qwerty284651 (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Moscow, you're right, not Stuggart, that was their reuniting in 2016. But I still worry that the totals in the table are unreliable; e.g., the "2" tournaments in 2017 seems to be incorrectly including the Italian Open where they both reached the quarterfinals but with different partners. Flashscore only shows 1 event (Moscow) if you scroll to bottom of doubles tab. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 19:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC) Ah, you fixed while I was commenting. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 19:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My question still remains though - what source are you using for the stats portion of the table? For example, I don't know if this is reliable but many of our numbers are currently different. And there are apparently still errors in our table, such as the 2022 win-loss records by surface not adding up and the unupdated Italian Open row total. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 19:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion, if we played by the book, NONE of the tennis performance timelines should even be on Wikipedia per WP:OR, but it's in the tennis guidelines, community-based consensus, so technically albeit unsourced and, in fact, originally researched still acceptable. Qwerty284651 (talk) 15:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not trying to change any consensus, but am curious what source(s) you're using to build the table. I'll try to double check everything (using Flashscore) eventually. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Itftennis.com
1. https://www.itftennis.com/en/players/katerina-siniakova/800331464/cze/wt/d/activity/#pprofile-info-tabs
2. https://www.itftennis.com/en/players/barbora-krejcikova/800311558/cze/wt/d/activity/#pprofile-info-tabs Qwerty284651 (talk) 17:30, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that seems much more official than Flashscore. But I'm going to hide the chart until I get a chance to fix the errors; even the very bare first column has one (saying they reached a WTA Tour final ... with no tour-level wins). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No need to hide it. It's up to standard. Instead add {{update}} on top of section. Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:02, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New comments[edit]

Maybe I haven't been clear - the table is rife with errors right now, I've pointed out several places the numbers don't add up. I realize unfortunately I don't have the savvy to fix this sort of table myself, only really to spot the errors. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point these mistakes? I don't know which ones you are talking about. Qwerty284651 (talk) 04:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, though the whole chart needs I think to be scoured top to bottom. Three that I mentioned above: 2014 Finals: 1 (should be 0, they didn't win a tour-level match that year); 2018 Titles: 0 (should be 2 - RG and Wimbledon); Italian Open: 0/4 (should be 0/3). Another: 2017 Tournaments: 2 (should be 1, which aligns with the correctly listed 2-1 record). There are probably others like that, though I'm most concerned about errors that aren't easily caught because they include tournament results not included in the table and that may affect the overall W-L record (important to get that accurate). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hameltion, you can double check on ITF and wiki draw pages of said occurrences and apply the changes yourself. Qwerty284651 (talk) 23:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've just gone through it (fairly small change to overall W-L: 2 more W, 1 fewer L). I would have preferred to keep it hidden longer while it had errors, but your unhiding prompted me to get to it sooner. Visual editor definitely helped. Notes for self: 2014 fixed. 2015 fine. 2016 fixed. 2017 fixed. 2018 fixed. 2019 fixed. 2020 fine. 2021 fixed. 2022 fixed. 2023 fine. SR not checked, hidden. W-L totals fixed. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 02:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tip:use your sandbox for "notes for self" for next time. Although I don't mind seeing them here. Qwerty284651 (talk) 14:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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