Talk:Kisei (shogi)

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Meaning of "Kisei"[edit]

The 'sei' in kisei doesn't mean 'excellent person': it means 'saint' -- hence 'saint of shogi' ('ki' here meaning shogi). The author of the article was perhaps thinking of 'meijin.'— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.73.108.28 (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC+9)

Counting title matches[edit]

The Japan Shogi Association does not, in general, use calendar years to identify major title matches. It uses ordinal numbers and either the counter word kai (回) or ki (期) instead to refer to the title match by the number of "times" or "periods" it has been held to date. For example, the Kisei title match between Habu (the reigning Kisei) and Moriuchi (the challenger) which began on June 2, 2014 is officially referred to as the "85th Kisei (Title) Match" (第85期棋聖戦, dai hachijūgoki kisei sen) and not the "2014 Kisei (Title) Match" because it is the 85th time the Kisei title match has been held; moreover, major title holders are referred to in a similar fashion, e.g., the official title of Habu is "84th Kisei" (第84期棋聖, dai hachijūyonki kisei) and not "2013 Kisei". So, I have added another column ("No.") to the table listing the past winners to reflect this practice. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]