Talk:Kifl Haris

Palestine Low‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Cities

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cities, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of cities, towns and various other settlements on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CitiesWikipedia:WikiProject CitiesTemplate:WikiProject CitiesWikiProject Cities articles

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)
You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Further information

The exceptions to the extended confirmed restriction are:

Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive.
Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required.

With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:

Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction. Also, reverts made solely to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are not considered edit warring.
Editors who violate this restriction may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offence.

After being warned, contentious topics procedure can be used against any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Contentious topic sanctions can include blocks, topic-bans, or other restrictions.
Editors may report violations of these restrictions to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. When in doubt, don't revert!

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Kifl Haris. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:17, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tombs of Joshua, Caleb, and Nun?[edit]

"According to a Samaritan tradition, noted in 1877, the tombs of Joshua and Caleb were in Kifl Haris. [ref Conder and Kitchener]

According to Joshua 24:30, the tomb of Joshua is in Timnath-heres, which is considered by Orthodox Jews to be the current location of Kifl Haris, and Jewish tradition also places the tombs of Caleb and Nun at Timnath-heres. Thousands make the pilgrimage to the tombs on the annual commemoration of Joshua's death, 26th of Nisan on the Hebrew calendar. [ref israelnationalnews.com]"

The Samaritan tradition identifying Kifl Haris with Timnath-heres has an excellent source. There is however nothing here about the Jewish tradition. Is it a new, 19th-20th c. thing, adopted from the Samaritans? Is it older? Which streams in Judaism accept it? Archaeologists and other researchers don't, Khirbet Tibnah is better accepted.
All three buildings look very much like Muslim walis or maqams. What is their history?
There is nothing in the cited Bible passage about Caleb or Nun. The source (Israel National News) is a biased and unreliable pro-settler & Orthodox one. Even so, it speaks of the commemoration of Joshua's death, not of Caleb or Nun. When, how did the 2 get mixed in?
Caleb received far-away Hebron as his allotment, is there no tradition of him being buried there? Is there another cenotaph or "tomb" for Caleb in Hebron or elsewhere?
Are the 3 structures there considered by worshippers to be tombs, as opposite to memorials/cenotaphs?
How does Nun come to have a tomb in Canaan/LoI? What's being taught, that Nun's son, Joshua, accompanied Moses for 40 years as an adult, and his father lived trough all of this plus the conquest? Not talking logic (he himself as a living person is not mentioned with a single word in the entire Hebrew Bible), just what's the legend/tradition saying, if anything? Arminden (talk) 15:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As for the last point, I don't know what the tradition is for this, but the Bible reports that the Israelites relocated the bones of their elders to Israel with them, when they left Egypt. If Nun was no longer alive, then he may have been taken as well. Drsruli (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]