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the right name id Kdumim. 84.229.244.105 (talk) 10:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Legalities[edit]

They cannot be included pro forma without individual case-by-case analysis as clarified by Sandstein here. Since this text had not been included on the article for a while, a case must be made and a consensus formed. Ankh.Morpork 15:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here are sources about Kedumim being illegal under international law: [1], [2], [3]. Ill be restoring the material with these sources, and adding material on Kedumim being partially built on private Palestinian land ([4]). nableezy - 15:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And the case is the same as it is elseweher. WP:LEAD specifies that notable controversies be included in the lead of the article. That this colony was illegally established on occupied territory is a notable controversy. Sources, such as the Guardian, when even mentioning Kedumim include that it is an illegal settlement. What exactly is the case for exclusion? nableezy - 16:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sources that you link to do not establish that the discussion regarding settlement legality is pertinent and significant to the Kedumim article. The article about Daniella Weiss mentions where she lives, Freedman's article relates to settlements in general, and Goldenberg obliquely mentions that the protesters were "bussed to two holding pens at Ofer, an Israeli army base, and Kedumim, an illegal Jewish settlement." The articles do not discuss a legality dispute centring on this place or support your assertion that "that this colony was illegally established on occupied territory is a notable controversy". Ankh.Morpork 18:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Articles clearly discuss the legality issue with respect to the topic of this article. This excessive parsing of sources to remove relevant, well sourced material is becoming a characteristic pattern of your editing in the topic area. Dlv999 (talk) 20:26, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that reliable sources whenever mentioning this settlement include that it is illegal. How you can say that because the mere mention of a place causes a reliable source to include that it is illegal under international law somehow means that the very article about the place shouldnt include it is beyond me. nableezy - 23:27, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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