Talk:Karen people in the Andaman Islands

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The title of this article looks weird to me: the place is the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and without inserting a word such as "people" it sounds almost like the name of some ruler. Can we not move it? - Sitush (talk) 19:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Sitush: I totally agree. It should be Karen in the Andamans. I have previously heard of Bengalis in the Andamans[1] and Bangladeshis in the Andamans [2].--DreamLinker (talk) 12:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps Karen people in the Andamans, since "Karen people" seems to be most commonly used.--DreamLinker (talk) 12:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 October 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to "Karen people in the Andaman Islands" (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Karen of the Andamans → Karen people in the Andamans – The current title is a bit weird. We usually refer to x people in y place, instead of x people of y place. Since the most common term used for the ethnic group is Karen people, I am suggesting this name. Another alternative is "Karen in the Andamans". DreamLinker (talk) 12:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 03:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. In its present state, the main title header has an awkward form that resembles a parody in a manner similar to George of the Jungle. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The issue arises because of WP:The which prefers that we don't use an initial definite article. If the current title sounds too awkward then we should move to The Karen of the Andamans per sources such as The Karen of Andaman Islands; A Study of Fertility and Mortality among the Karen of Andaman Islands; https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=zCjwDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA326. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support, ideally to Karen people in the Andaman Islands. The convention which Andrew Davidson references is clearly against the usual practice on Wikipedia. Thus we distinguish The Nuer from Nuer people, for example, without a disambig page and the practice is also reflected in the relevant head article on Karen people. An unpublished thesis and dubious conference presentation ("The Karen is [sic] Burmese immigrant [sic] brought to Andaman [sic] in 1925") are not particularly useful in establishing a WP:COMMONNAME and this is really not the best article to use to challenge a consensus. Besides, there there is clearly plenty of usage of "Karen people" in published sources. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:37, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Karen people in the Andaman Islands seems to be a better choice. I would prefer this as well.--DreamLinker (talk) 05:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Karen people in the Andaman Islands. In this case, I don't think there is a common name so it's up to us to pick a reasonable descriptive name. Karen people in the Andaman Islands is consistent with the titles of Karen people and Andaman Islands, and "in the" is consistent with the many titles like Japanese people in South Korea, Zimbabweans in South Africa, and Jews in New York City.—Neil Shah-Quinn (talk) 09:14, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support since many people would regard the girls' name as the primary meaning of Karen, "Karen in the Andamans" sounds a bit like a girls' adventure story. PatGallacher (talk) 21:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.