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DeCrow has taken on a different view of life, being interviewed in Jack Kammer's book "Good Will Toward Men"[edit]

Is this really a different view? 76.70.84.151 (talk) 18:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This ungrammatical sentence makes a vague and unsupported claim about DeCrow. Jack Kammer's book, according to [Kirkus Reviews], collects interviews w 22 feminists. The interviewer tried to get each of them to talk about ways men were victimized or villainized by feminism. The fact that DeCrow willingly discussed these issues for a thoroughly obscure and tendentious book is by no means a sign that her point of view about "life" was transformed in 1994 to something new. I am removing this sentence as adding nothing helpful to the bio. HouseOfChange (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More sources of information about Karen DeCrow[edit]

New Yorker article 2009: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2009/03/09/090309ta_talk_collins Lauren Collins, Reunions, “Ladies’ Night,” The New Yorker, March 9, 2009, p. 23. If you are a subscriber to the New Yorker (I am not) you can get access to read the whole article. It talks about her role in getting "unescorted" women access to public places including bars.

Syracuse Post Standard article 2014 (NOT the short obit already referenced in article): http://www.syracuse.com/kirst/index.ssf/2014/06/passing_of_karen_decrow_in_a_changing_america_champion_of_the_unescorted_woman.html This article talks at length about DeCrow's work to get equal access for women to public places in Syracuse and NYC. It also notes she was eager for men to get paternity leave, access to diaper-changing space in public restrooms, and custody arrangements that gave them time with their children. HouseOfChange (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Should the claim she was a "men's rights activist" be in the first sentence of this bio?[edit]

One (1) recent article chose to claim in its headline that DeCrow was a "men's rights activist." The text of the article explains that DeCrow thought men should have equal rights with women on the issue of whether or not to become a parent and a presumption of shared custody of children. She also criticized femininist narratives that defined women as powerless victims of men.

Putting the statement that DeCrow was a "men's rights activist" into the first sentence of her bio implies (falsely) that she was aligned with the Men's Rights Movement. If one looks from what DeCrow believed to the narratives and goals of the men's rights movement, that is of people who are actually men's rights activists, there is a huge disconnect. The MRA movement defines men as victims of women and of feminism because the demand of women for equal rights reduces the earlier advantaged status of men.

If somebody wants to write up at length the areas where DeCrow espoused equal rights and compassion for men, that would be a fine addition to the article. Inserting into the first paragraph the false claim that she was aligned with the Men's Rights Movement whose paranoid misogyny inspired Elliott Rodgers is inappropriate. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:37, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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