Talk:Johnny Hazzard

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Birth name has to be sourced[edit]

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^ Jimmy Wales. "WikiEN-l Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information", 2006-05-16 and 2006-05-19
^ Jimmy Wales. "WikiEN-l Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information", 2006-05-19

Further comments about personal info[edit]

Please do not reinsert the information about his birth name until a verifiable source for the information is found. Thanks.—Chidom ^talk 18:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And you are making assumptions and using wikilawyering to try to beat down any opposition. That does not resolve the issue, it escalates it. Wjhonson 18:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BIO and WP:PORN the unverified name has been removed. Please do not revert/repost this material until you can provide a verifiable cite from a reliable source. Thanks. Doc Tropics 20:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chidom has escalated this confrontation by accusing me of "libel". That is utterly outrageous. I'm so angry I can barely type. Until I receive an unconditional apology from Chidom for this behaviour, this will not end. Wjhonson 02:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The information in question is the remark that he was original born as "*name removed*". I merely added the "citation needed" tag, and then Chidom posted a WARNING to my talk page that I was libeling someone. That type of behavior cannot be supported. Wjhonson 02:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is stupid. Wjhonson, the name has been removed by three independent editors, two of us have explained why in detail, and you've recently been warned by an admin. Which part of policy don't you understand? This is not even subject to debate: stop inserting the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doc Tropics (talk • contribs) 23:55, November 27, 2006

Uggh, Wikipedia keeps that kind of information around in its history forever, and for a porn star, getting that information put onto Wikipedia is almost like somebody else getting their phone number put onto here. I know a guy whose real name got out (not from Wikipedia), and his family got plastered with love requests for the guy. I don't suppose their is any way to try to suppress such information from the history, is there, it looks like it might go back a bit too far to do too much about. -Todd(Talk-Contribs) 19:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a way, it's called Wikipedia:Oversight. I don't have the power to do this, you have to ask someone else for it. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_oversight. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 15:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weighing in as an administrator, who has gotten in trouble for this exact issue before. What Chidom and Doc Tropics write is exactly correct. The real name of a porn star who uses a stage name is a controversial issue, and can not be added without strong, reliable, verifiable sources. It can't just be added unsourced and marked {{fact}} hoping someone else will find the sources. Until we find sufficient sources, it can not be added. This may or may not be libel, defamation, or a dozen other legal terms, I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. But this is Wikipedia policy, namely Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, and Wikipedia:Verifiability. I realize Wjhonson has the best of intentions, and I sympathize fully with them - after finishing writing this post, I'm going to out and run several searches for qualifying sources that can back this information. However, until and unless we find it, we can't add it, and, unfortunately, though I do sympathize, it will be my duty as an admin with knowledge in this area, to back that injunction with administrative powers if this information is restored without sufficient sources. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 14:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find it. It's a common enough last name, there are several people connected with porn that use it, but nothing that links it to Hazzard. Sorry. The good news is that it will be unlikely it will be connected with a specific real person or family either, as Todd worries, above. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 15:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for both the clarification of issues, and the effort to cite. Sorry if things got a bit out of hand here. Doc Tropics 15:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with penis size information[edit]

The information in this article is used as criterion for inclusion in the list at Human penis size#Men famous for their large penis as well as Category:Men with unusually large penis. Now, more than 50 names have been included, and there have been objections raised strong enough that both the list and the category are currently targeted for deletion. Placing this posting uniformly on the talk pages of the articles concerned, I would firstly encourage editors to make sure reliable sourcing is provided to support the claims regarding penis size. Secondly, editors might wish to involve themselves in the discussions taking place at Talk:Human penis size and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. __meco 13:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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[Jimbo-1] Jimmy Wales. "WikiEN-l Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information", 2006-05-16 and 2006-05-19

[Jimbo2-2] Jimmy Wales. "WikiEN-l Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information", 2006-05-19

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