Talk:Jimmy Carr/Archive 1

Archive 1

Irish

He was born to Irish parents and carries an Irish passport [1]. Looks like he wishes to be considered an Irish Citizen. Dugo 00:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The source currently given to substantiate the claim that he is English isn't really valid, as it's taken from a short pre-written quip during a show to an American audience specifically to set up a joke, where, given the circumstances (limited amount of time he had to deliver the line combined with the ignorance of american audiences on everything) he couldn't have possibly explained that he was Irish and yet had an English accent. The source given above by Dugo is far more valid. I'm changing it. WildlifeAnalysis 21:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The counter source isn't that helpful either, it says he retains an Irish passport but that doesn't tell us if he is or is not a dual national nor does it tell us what nationality he considers himself. Perhaps English-Irish would be better untill we have a clear answer. Alci12 16:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That works for me. I'll change it to that, but it seems like it won't last very long, as there are random users, often anonymous, changing it strictly to English practically every day, obviously without reading the discussion page. WildlifeAnalysis 14:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

English-Irish sounds horrible, and split nationalities like that for the sake of argument aren't favoured by Wikipedia. Having an Irish passport is irrelevant, because by default you get one if you have Irish parents. The fact that he was born in England will mean he has either an English one too, or one with dual nationality. He's also made no claims otherwise: he stated, on his XFM radio show, that he is English; obviously I can't reference that because it was ages ago. So WP:MOSBIO states that the nationality will be the one for which the subject is most notable, i.e. English. BTW, I'm Scottish, so I'm not biased one way or the other. BertieBasset 15:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly, I just followed the link given on the article to substantiate the claim that he was born in England and the link cited doesn't mention that at all. In fact, I just found another site (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/magazine/2006/0909/1156791506043.html) in which he states that he was in fact born in Ireland, and moved to England at some point during his childhood. So the "English because he was born in England" bit won't fly. So seeing as how he was born in Ireland, to Irish parents, and has an Irish passport (is there even a source saying that he has an English passport/citizenship at all?), I think it's safe to say he can be quite clearly defined as Irish. WildlifeAnalysis 15:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I know this seems to have been settled, but just to further confirm he is Irish, carries an Irish passport, was born in Ireland to two Irish parents; he says so himself on his Parkinso interview which can be found about 8 mintes into his showreel on this page www.myspace.com/jimmycarrlive - just to confirm :)--86.147.171.159 22:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, that seems to settle it. I've put a disclaimer on the article. BertieBasset 17:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Then why does his page still say he's an English comedian born in Slough. The English part is okay with me, I disagree with that but fair enough. The 'born in Slough, England' part however is plain WRONG. I'd like to see that changed. I'm sorry for leaving this one unsigned.. for some reason I'm unable to log in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.123.230.102 (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy on Radio 1

Jimmy Carr was on the Chris Moyles show on Radio One this morning. He ripped into his biography saying it had loads of things wrong... he was born in Isleworth, England to Irish parents who were from Limerick (hence the dual nationality), and got a 2:1, not a first. As he would presumably know where he was born, and what degree he had, this can be taken as the final word on the matter, I would hope. Neil ☎ 08:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed the article to match. You can "listen again" to the interview on www.bbc.co.uk/radio1 for the next 7 days. Neil ☎ 10:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

That's very weird. I saw the Parkinson interview and he claimed there he was born in Ireland. Funny man indeed! Allthecoolnamesweretaken 18:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

If it's the one I'm thinking of, he said he was Irish, but not "born in Ireland" - he is, in his own words, a "plastic Paddy". Neil ☎ 10:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's this one: www.myspace.com/jimmycarrlive and then about 8 minutes into 'showreel 2006'. I just watched it again and I used to think he said that HE was born in Ireland, but I suppose he meant his parents. Allthecoolnamesweretaken 20:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Well that's that settled then! :-) Wiki01916 01:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally, for once and for all! Allthough I strongly suspect there's going to be one hell of a debate about this! Allthecoolnamesweretaken 11:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Born where?

It can't have been Limerick AND London. Come on, sort it out.Lfh (talk) 19:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. In its current state the intro makes no sense. General consensus around the net is that he was born in Limerick but as of yet I haven't got a reliable source. Someone must have something. Still raining here (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, go and read the 'Talk page'. Allthecoolnamesweretaken (talk) 17:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

He was born in Isleworth. See just above. Neıl ☎ 14:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Further evidence to fuel the fire:

James Anthony P. Carr is a birth registered in Hounslow (i.e. just down the road from Isleworth) in the births register for July/August/September 1972

The original (subscription only page) is at http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/View.aspx?dbid=8964&path=1972.Q3-Jul-Aug-Sep.C.14&sid=&gskw=

I have uploaded a page image to http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4458/jimmycarrrl8.jpg

So, from the evidence presented Jimmy Carr was born in Britain. Of course I might have completely the wrong person .... but I doubt it.

He might have had Irish parents and might hold Irish nationality as well as British.

78.105.161.231 (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Limerick, Slough, London, Ireland/Britain? There are numerous sources stating each location and Jimmy has apparently told diiferent wikiphiles different things. Nationality as British/Irish is clearly correct seen as he almost certainly will have both passports no matter where he was born, but that is the question- birth location! EchetusXe (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Really pissing me off now how anonymous editors keep changing it. Before I just changed it two changes were made so it said he was born in Ireland and yet was exclusively British! EchetusXe (talk) 12:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Influences

Added Paul Merton as one of Jimmy Carr's Influences, this maintains consistency with the Paul Merton Pages' info box that states Jimmy Carr as Influenced by Paul Merton. therefore i felt this should be reflected on both pages. Théo de b (talk) 08:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Place of birth

As shown on this talk page, the birth index proves he was born in Hounslow, Greater London - I have just changed the birth location, which, immediately prior to my edit, stated Paddington. Isleworth is in the London Borough of Hounslow, so if the index locations include the whole of the borough, he may have been born in Isleworth. F W Nietzsche (talk) 17:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Podcasting

Should something be added about his podcasting and the fact that he's number 1 on iTunes with The Writers Room podcast that he produces each week? Or should this go into radio? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.58.33 (talk) 11:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source discussing his podcasting by all means add something to the article. Just noticing something on iTunes and adding it would be original research though.--Commander Keane (talk) 00:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Barbershop?

Why is thier no mention of the year he spent in a barbershop quartet, please, someone must fix this problem now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homosmovous (talk • contribs) 00:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Where's the evidence of that being true? Jim Michael (talk) 22:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

It seems that some people refuse to accept the fact that Carr is both British and Irish.

Carr was born in Limerick, Ireland and later moved to the UK where he was raised. I've added a few references to this fact and I've also changed the intro paragraph.

I've also added to the infobox "Nationality: British and Irish". Wiki01916 09:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

That doesnt sound quite right does it? Is there no fancy way of saying that? Allthecoolnamesweretaken 17:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

He's a citizen of Ireland (Irish) and the United Kingdom (British). How else would you say it? Wiki01916 09:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Sources still state he was born in Slough. Kilo•T 12:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Those two sources you provided are incorrect. I've submitted a correction to the IMDB. There are several sources stating that he was born in Limerick. Carr has said it himself on TV interviews. I'll see if I can root one out on YouTube. Wiki01916 18:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The IMDB have changed Jimmy Carr's birth place to Limerick, Ireland, as per my request for correction. Wiki01916 08:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Carr wasn't born in Limerick, his parents were. He was born in England to Irish immigrants. All the references on the article are based on the incorrect information on this wiki article! So are pretty worthless as references. Carr did say on one TV interview that he was born in Ireland, but it was part of a joke. He has said he was born in Slough and is English, and has described himself as a "plastic paddy" with regards to holding an Irish passport and his parentage, which also implies he wasn't born in Ireland. 172.203.13.62 16:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy has caused an awful lot of consusion over this. In two TV interviews I've seen, he said he was born in Limerick. I've also read many Irish articles, including one in the Irish Times, that state he was born in Limerick. This could all be cleared up if his official web site would state his place of birth. We need a solid reference. You can help my emailing Jimmy, asking him to update his site with his official place of birth. Wiki01916 19:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Chances are the Irish Times and whoever took their data from the incorrect information that was here at the time (fortunately now fixed). Carr has confirmed he was born in Isleworth, London (see below) and raised in Slough to Irish parents (who were from Limerick). Neil ☎ 10:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think the Irish Time would use Wikipedia as a source though. That would be very careless journalism. Allthecoolnamesweretaken 13:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't really know who wrote that his brother is Alan Carr, which isn't at all true 87.79.183.34 (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I think it might be worth mentioning that, while Jimmy frequently jokes that Alan is his brother (or sister), the two are unrelated. I think it achieves noteworthiness because Jimmy actually claims a kinship, though as a (sometimes quite dry) joke. 72.244.207.30 (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Bigamist father?

His parents never divorced but his father remarried? If this is true his father is guilty of bigamy and his second marriage is null and void. I suspect they did eventually divorce but either way the 'Early Life' section needs editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.240.217 (talk) 10:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

First wife (Jimmys mother) died in 2001 , remarried in 2003 , hardly a bigamist.Darwin-rover (talk) 00:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Too much information?

Under, the radio section, i can see the logic of including his radio work - i.e. shows he's hosted, but really, do we need every appearance on radio? I'm thinking of this:

"He was a guest on the Christian O' Connell breakfast show at Absolute Radio on 20 November 2008."

The guy is a touring comedian who releases DVDs and does a heap of other media work. I suspect that if we listed every time he has appeared as a guest on a radio show, we'd have a pretty big article there in its own right??217.113.170.97 (talk) 16:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

The Naked Jape?

Why is there no mention of Jimmy's book "The Naked Jape: Uncovering the Hidden World of Jokes"? Sam Spencer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.15.89 (talk) 12:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Photoshop?

I know Jimmy does creepy well, but this photo is just TOO creepy! It looks like it has been Photoshopped to make him seem even more hamster-cheeked! I'm sure it hasn't, but if anyone has a better one, it might prevent shock-related heart attacks...either that or someone who has Photoshop might like to have a go at improving this one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yickbob (talk • contribs) 01:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

World record for first comedian in cyberspace?

"In March 2007, Laura Jackson from the Guinness Book of World Records confirmed that Carr had obtained the world record for being the first comedian in cyberspace, following on from his Second Life show.[citation needed]" Citation definitely needed, and I think this should be removed until one is provided for the simple fact that something which can not be topped would not be considered for a guinness world record entry. If another comedian follows, they would not be the first comedian and thusly Jimmy Carr will forever be the holder of this "world record". It is a notable achievement, if true, but it would not be included in the guinness book of records. It is also probably not true, "cyberspace" could conceivably describe much of the internet and Stephen Fry has probably been twittering longer than that and many comedians have done similar stuff long before twitter was even around...many have taken part in IRC chats, for instance. 87.194.86.204 (talk) 00:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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Romani?

Carr has mentioned several times having Romany blood from his mother's side. But whether this is true or just part of his Gypsy joke routine... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.134.251 (talk) 23:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Unless there's a reliable source to back that up, it can't be added. And it wouldn't be added to the lead by the way, as even if it is true it's not as important as him being English-Irish. --Nutthida (talk) 00:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Support of school bullying and homophobia

He has done jokes supporting the bullying of school children if he regards them as 'fags'. This is homophobic and supporting children being abused by other children. I am not gay but I think calling people gay as an insult in the UK illegal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coryrenihart111 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Immoral tax affairs ?

You should add a link to the apoplectic apology Mr Carr issued for 'having sinned' re: the Jersey connection to a K2 Tax Scheme link - but I feel he should be laughing all the way to the Bank (in whichever country that may be) - Mr. Cameron's tax affairs are fare less 'moral' or indeed 'legal' ....and he really doesn't have any right at all to discuss private citizen's tax affairs - do hope Jimmy sues and wins a few more million.79.70.227.71 (talk) 11:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)fellowgrafter79.70.227.71 (talk) 11:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Jimmy Carr has admitted that he "I now realise I’ve made a terrible error of judgement." https://twitter.com/jimmycarr/status/215705258083631104

and was involved in the K2 scheme "Although I’ve been advised the K2 Tax scheme is entirely legal, and has been fully disclosed to HMRC (Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs)" https://twitter.com/jimmycarr/status/215705385892462592

see further tweets

These tweets should be quoted in the Controversy section. They are core to the matter.

Given these circumstances 1. The words "and is known for" needs to include "using a tax avoidance scheme"

If not, then the entire "and is known for" section is uncited and should be removed. 86.176.181.153 (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Daily Mail article/stitch-up "written" by Carr's father

Should we be using this article as a source? Carr (and both his brothers) have been estranged from their father for years. His father has now sold his "story" to the Daily Mail, in a pretty shabby and vindictive manner (I know my opinion as an editor doesn't matter on Wikipedia but this is pretty grubby stuff). This is surely not reliable as a source of information about Carr's chilhood/early adulthood as it comes from a wholly biased source: his embittered and estranged father. Arthur Holland (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

The Daily Mail is one of the most used sources on Wikipedia. The article is only being used for innocuous biographical details that his father wouldn't bother to lie about, such as that he was raised on Farnham Common. Farrtj (talk) 11:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I largely take your point (although at a personal level I have a pretty deep dislike of the DM, but that's neither here nor there), but I would say the following:

• The following sentence is a direct copy from the article: "Home was a comfortable five-bedroom detached house in the leafy commuter belt town of Farnham Common in Buckinghamshire". It is both not original prose and not encyclopedic in tone.
• "After graduation Carr spent several years without gainful employment and was fully supported by his father while he tried to break into comedy writing." This is not entirely innocuous, and, while it may be true, I think we need a better source than this article.
• "In 1997, he went into a marketing job with Shell, which he did not enjoy and lasted less than 18 months." Again, not entirely innocuous.
• "Since 2004 Carr and his father have been estranged" The article says since the end of 2003. Again, also not an entirely inncocuous detail.

Has a child?

Since when? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideofapril (talk • contribs) 13:53, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Removed because it was unsourced. Jim Michael (talk) 18:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

"I was born in Ireland"

Jimmy Carr clearly states 'I was born in Ireland' in this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKwZM8TDEa0&feature=related 78.16.111.195 (talk) 15:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

He does. However, the birth index is a more reliable source than him. Births are registered in the area they take place in. Jim Michael (talk) 16:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Again, this is his "I was born in Ireland, but have a Home Counties accent now - just goes to show what you can do when you apply yourself!" joke, where he may well be simplifying his early life for the sake of the gag. It is not a serious interview question about his place of birth. --McGeddon (talk) 11:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Aged 80?

I see in the info box that carr was born: 15 September 1972 (age 40).
That was 40 years ago, so those that mean that he's now reached 80?
Aberdeen01 (talk) 06:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

The age displayed is dynamic. Wikipedia automatically calculates the correct age to display based on the DOB and today's date. Come back on/after 15 Sept and you'll see the age has automatically increased. 66.249.93.61 (talk) 06:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Called evil by his own father

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-405420/Behind-Jimmy-Carrs-wisecracks.html In this link Carr is called evil by his own father. How low does someone have to be. To be called evil by his own father. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooldudeace (talk • contribs) 11:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Nationality

He holds joint British and Irish citizenship. There is no reason to exclude mention of either from the lead. 46.7.236.155 (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Does Carr identify as English or Irish or Irish-English (or Martian?) --85.210.102.96 (talk) 19:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

PS - he's terribly English.--85.210.102.96 (talk) 19:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

He has both Irish and British citizenship. He's described himself as a Plastic paddy. I've no idea if he's ever made any remarks identifying himself as English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.236.155 (talk) 20:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Irish citizenship via his parents I assume - something my own Grandmother could of had so, so I'm aware of that business...heh - Plastic Paddy, wonderful phrasewhich would be funny to see in the lead but obviously not going to happen. I wonder if Jimmy Carr is watching this unfold right now and laughing. (Okay I admit - I don't know how to describe him...)--85.210.102.96 (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Why not in the lead, if that's how he self-identifies. Satire (perhaps) shouldn't be dismissed as flippant. RashersTierney (talk) 20:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I was just listening to him being interviewed on BBC Radio 4's Chain Reaction from May 2009. He stated that he was born in Ireland (5 mins, 40 secs in). Looking at his page afterwards I was puzzled to see it say he was born in Hounslow. I looked at the citation link, but it is a dead link to something no longer on photobucket. Now reading this page I see it is something of a controversial subject. Setting aside the issue of citizenship and what passports he may or may not hold, surely the place of birth needs fixing? On this page are a few other links to him saying he was born in Ireland (with never a reference to Hounslow) but grew up in Slough. I can't find any live links that back up the Hounslow claim. Surely that should either be correctly cited or changed? 66.249.93.61 (talk) 06:02, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The link needs no longer works and needs to be replaced. It showed the page in the birth index which stated that his birth was registered in the London Borough of Hounslow. He has falsely stated on several occasions on TV and radio that he was born in Ireland. Jim Michael (talk) 22:45, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Amputee joke source

According to a podcast source, Carr "later claimed to have written the joke with a triple-amputee soldier in a veteran's hospital". Skimming the hour-long podcast I couldn't find it, but it seems possible that this might have itself been a joke? --McGeddon (talk) 14:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Mr doubletree is in session — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.153.137 (talk) 00:59, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Irish or British?

Let's get the facts straight. Jimmy Carr is not British and indeed Irish; by birth, by law, and by personal preferance. Even his surname is Gaelic!

• Video Interview with Jimmy Carr

If he was a shit comedian, the Brits would have no problems calling him Irish. 83.70.234.130 23:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

He is both British and Irish. I've updated the article to reflect these facts. Wiki01916 04:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

In case it's any interest to you lot, I had a chat to Jimmy after a gig recently. I asked him if he was having an identity criss, becasue his Wikipedia page changed his nationality regularly. He laughed and explained that he considered himself a "Plastic Paddy" having being born in Ireland, with parents from Ireland, and with an Irish passport. He said he presented himself with a home-counties personality, which he said just goes to show what you can achieve when you apply yourself! Original research, sure ... but another reason not to blindly trust what you find on WP 170.194.32.36 (talk) 13:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Just heard him tonight in the Olympia and he wanted to see what would annoy people most so tested a few lines: 'I want a United Ireland' (cheer)'under British rule' (Booo!). hehe. Funny little guy. But to echo the writer above, he did refer to himself as a 'Plastic Paddy' as well. P.S. This article says he was born in Isleworth in England, not Ireland as the writer above says. Which is true? 86.42.119.12 (talk) 00:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The fact is that he was born in Ireland, not England. Yes he is british but he was born in ireland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.127.64 (talk) 01:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he was born in Britain. His parents were born in Ireland, he wasn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.79.114 (talk) 01:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you find his interview on The Michael Parkinson show on Youtube, Carr says he was born in Ireland to Irish parents. He was raised and educated in England. He's an Irish immigrant! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.240.235 (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

And in numerous other interviews he's stated that he actually was born in England. Not only that but there is documented evidence of someone with his name and initials being born where he is currently listed as being born on this page. The age is correct too.

So no, he was born English, and he's English through and through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.105.216 (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter either way. "So no, he was born English, and he's English through and through" - incorrect. British Law recognises a) dual nationality, and b) in the case of most children of foreigners, English, Scots, and Northern Irish Law recognises them as foreign themselves. In Europe, place of birth is usually meaningless - there is a special relationship with Ireland and Britain with both states recognising the children of the other born on its territory as being their own nationals - if his parents had been French - he wouldn't even have the entitlement to British citizenship. As it is - he is a dual national under the law of both states...perhaps time to get over it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.37.184 (talk) 14:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm Irish and I'd like to think everyone who is cool is also Irish, but if this was the other way round and someone had been born in Ireland to English parents and then lived their whole life in Ireland but occasionally did events in the UK we would be furious should people try to describe him as British, I'm not sure why there should be a double standard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.252.155 (talk) 15:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Both his parents are Irish-born Irish citizens. That means he was automatically an Irish citizen from birth according to Irish nationality law, no matter where he was born (and, indeed, Carr himself states that he holds an Irish passport). Furthermore, British nationality law automatically confers British citizenship to anybody born in the UK to British citizens or foreign citizens with 'settled status' in the UK. Irish citizens living in the UK are automatically considered to have settled status in the UK. So Carr holds dual nationality, both British (UK) and Irish (Republic of Ireland). I would propose updating the article to reflect his dual nationality. However, if I update the article it would only result in an edit war, because on wikipedia people seem to have trouble understanding the concept of dual nationality. So I leave it up to somebody else to fix the article. 82.171.253.241 (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Gaining recognition

"Carr eventually gained recognition" - this needs to be expanded, I think. I personally remember seeing this unfunny prat (if you'll excuse my opinion) for the first time doing stand-up on some variety performance, where he displayed his pitiful array of punchlines with a perfectly straight face (which is apparently hilarious?). Now, I can't quite remember which performance this was, but someone out there must know something about Carr's past before he started popping up on every damn show on Channel 4. 2 July 2005 18:01 (UTC)

It was the Royal Variety Performance, but I can't remember which year. That was the first time I'd seen him on TV too; I laughed like a drain. :) DWaterson 21:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOO? UR ALL WRONG yeah it was I still remember that show it pwned

I disagree I find him to be a humourous entertainer

GOY BOI

Is he really Irish? He's in the category of Irish comedians, but his bio does not mention once that he's Irish. He's also not funny, but that's just my opinion.

YES - his mother and father are both Irish. That makes him Irish. He has an Irish passport.

I wouldn't say that makes him Irish. If my parents were British and I was born in Ireland it would not make me anything but what I decide I am (I'm Irish and European, just for the record). 86.42.119.12 (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Simply having Irish parents doesn't make you Irish. By that logic, everyone on the planet is African. 84.70.95.236 22:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• No, but being born in Ireland, having Irish parents and holding an Irish passport does. He was brought up in England and has an English accent, but that does not make him an Englishman. 195.217.52.130 15:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

He was born in Slough - so no, he's not Irish... And he's very funny - but thats just my opinion

He was NOT born in Slough... He was born in Limerick, Ireland. To Irish parents and he holds an Irish passport. I assume that makes him Irish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.123.230.102 (talk) 18:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I believe the above is right. Although he was definitely brought up in slough and lived there for the majority of his life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.91.206.12 (talk) 22:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

why does it matter where he was born. he is the exact same person if he was born in ireland and grew up in england or if he was born in england and grew up in ireland. therefore his parents are irish and his blood is irish so i would say he is irish but born and raised in britain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.165.107 (talk) 21:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Three things I must point out.

1. He was born in England. 2. He is English. 3. The nationality of your parents is not taken into account when discussing nationality. Nationality is NOT hereditary, it is where you were raised and what citizenship you hold. The fact that his parents were Irish does not change the fact that he is English.

I see, so the basic principle of your argument is that the sweeping generalisations you make are correct purely because you say so and we should therefore stop talking about it. Something 'I must point out' is that this principle is of course utter rubbish! Nationality can be hereditary depending on culture and country of origin. E.G. Japan. Under the Irish constitution people born outside the country to an Irish parent automatically have the right to Irish citizenship (or nationality as on the evidence so far there is a strong element of pedentry here). If Mr Carr has chosen to opt for Irish citzenship then I think he is more likely to know what he is than you do? Using your childishly simplisitic approach I'd imagine Cliff Richard would be very surprised to find out he is Indian, or Boris Johnson that he American regardless of how they feel about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.97.85 (talk) 12:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

No, the basic principle of the argument is logic. It is based upon logic and facts, and are correct because of that. As we have a clear answer to the question, we should indeed stop talking about it.

Something I must point out is that the principle of making decisions based on sound logic and facts is of course the only way we should be deciding anything, otherwise cretins such as yourself would be able to foist utter nonsense upon wikipedia such as claiming Jimmy Carr isn't English.

Nationality cannot ever be hereditary, regardless of laws. If the Japanese authorities believe nationality is hereditary, then the Japanese authorities are wrong. It is not subjective to opinion or law, it is simply an objective fact that nationality is not hereditary - therefore Jimmy Carr cannot be Irish. Regardless of the Irish constitution, Jimmy Carr cannot be Irish based on heritage.

The only pedantry here is coming from you.

And I am afraid that your approach is the childishly simplistic one here. I mean seriously, your view is based solely on "if that's what they think they are, that's what the are". Are you a wolf if you believe you're a wolf? Of course not, and so you cannot be Irish simply because you believe yourself to be.

The alternative is for us to accept the mad ravings of lunatics and obviously incorrect notions. Are we to believe that Will Smith is French, or Simon Cowell is Persian if they happened to believe they were? Could I be Atlantean if I think I am? Of course not, no more than I could be a dragon or a tree or a small bloody moon if I only thought I was. Opinion does not change objective facts, so your mindless theories are therefore swiftly rejected. 82.26.33.158 (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Both his parents are Irish-born Irish citizens. That means he was automatically an Irish citizen from birth according to Irish nationality law, no matter where he was born (and, indeed, Carr himself states that he holds an Irish passport). Furthermore, British nationality law automatically confers British citizenship to anybody born in the UK to British citizens or foreign citizens with 'settled status' in the UK. Irish citizens living in the UK are automatically considered to have settled status in the UK. So Carr holds dual nationality, both British (UK) and Irish (Republic of Ireland). I would propose updating the article to reflect his dual nationality. However, if I update the article it would only result in an edit war, because on wikipedia people seem to have trouble understanding the concept of dual nationality. So I leave it up to somebody else to fix the article. 82.171.253.241 (talk) 14:26, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

O'Wikipedia and nationality

Here we go again. Let's rename this place O'Wikipedia. The Edge and Adam Clayton of U2 were both born in Britain to British parents and have British passports, but numerous "editors" refuse to allow either to be referred to as British because they've both lived in Ireland for a long time and are famous as part of an Irish band. So by that logic (sic), Carr who was brought up, educated and became famous in Britain as part of British culture on British TV must be British, right? But of course, when did real logic ever come into play in this resource? Whatever the argument the answer always seems to be "Irish"! And different rules apply on every page in order to resolve disputes. 86.17.247.135 12:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm reminded of a past Mischa Barton dispute, a woman born in Britain with a British father and Irish mother (and at the time held a British passport but NOT a US passport with dual citizenship). Some idiot "editors" refused to allow any reference to her being "British", "English" or even "Anglo-American" (though even that was incorrect at the time) and then immediately declared she was "Irish-American" and amended the article accordingly, refusing to allow that to be deleted! Thankfully that ridiculous decision was eventually overruled by a sensible account holder, but it illustrates my point about O'Wikipedia. 86.17.247.135 13:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't seem to have a point. As living in a country doesn't make you that nationality, neither The Edge or Adam Clayton is Irish, nor are they listed as such. If you could descrive how being born to Irish parents, in Ireland, and holding an Irish passport makes Jimmy Carr British, please do. SteveLamacq43 15:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not seriously arguing that Carr is British, I was mocking something else: my point was very clearly about consistency on Wikipedia and the pro-Irish bias so often (too often) observed here. All the facts that you raise about how Carr is Irish are exactly the ones other account holders elsewhere declare completely irrelevant to nationality, then they cite Wiki guidance to stop you changing an article on the matter. Neither of the named members of U2 are noted as Irish, that's correct - though in fact they used to be until I spent days arguing for the false info to be removed. But even though 'Irish' has been removed neither will certain "editors" allow them to be noted as British in their articles instead, even though both are British, insisting that where you and you parents were born, your bloodline and passport and the fact that you have not changed the citizenship of your birth are less important than where you have lived for most of your life and what people think of you as. The justifications given, which as previously mentioned invoke a number of Wiki rules (many of which are extremely vague, highly subjective and often as contradictory as the bible; but I digress) centre mainly about long-term residence, popular identity, part of a national culture etc. If we apply the Wiki rules (sic) applied to The Edge by several Editors then Carr must be British. But of course he's not - it's highlighting the ridiculous attitude of some people. By the way, head over the the List of Irish People and see that the list includes "people who choose to adopt an Irish identity". Seriously. So I can become Oirish today if I simply "adopt an Irish identity" it seems! I'm not making it up. O'Wikipedia! 86.17.247.135 02:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

hehe. Great post, 86. Look on the bright side, though, you can go over to "British Isles" and claim all the Irish as British, and really annoy the hell out of an awful amount of Irish people. Indeed, you could go into every Irish article and insert the term "British Isles". Now, wouldn't you much prefer to annoy us than be annoyed by us? 86.42.119.12 (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody actually have a quote from Jimmy about what nationality he considers himself to be? Obviously I can't verify it, but at a show I went to recently he said he considered himself to be English... 80.47.134.108 22:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I dont really care which he is, English or Irish, but the fact that his infobox says Irish and the first line of his bio says English has to be fixed. --
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman 13:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I've just read on another Wiki discussion page that Carr's family tree takes him immediately to Ireland (of course) but then back to England: it's the home of his ancestors (yes, believe it or not many people in Ireland have English ancestry - shock! horror!). By the usual Wiki rational that MUST make Carr an Englishman just as everyone in America is called Irish because they can find at least one historical connection with the place (no doubt ignoring multiple British connections that will almost certainly exist)! Huzzah! 62.25.106.209 14:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... you're obviously a Brit. Since his family tree takes him immediately to Ireland I think it's correct to consider him Irish, as it would be ridiculous to extensively trace the ancestry of every person who has an article about them on Wikipedia. I mean, where do we draw the line? Also your generalisation about everyone in America being called Irish is irrelevant (and false, as the Germans are the largest ethnic group by descent). Of course lots of Irish people have English ancestry, since Ireland was once under British rule, but by your logic we must also consider Yeats an English poet. Rachey (talk) 16:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for proving a point. When people trace their ancestry, you think they must stop when they find Irish. The old "my family came from" nonsense which ignores no-one has a single family source. The poster's point about Irish Americans isn't false you fool; he/she is not saying they ARE all Irish, he/she is saying they mostly claim it. How many claim it falsely - look at Senator John Kerry who always claimed it, fought elections saying it, was treated as Oirish by the ex-pats; turned out he couldn't find a single Irish person in his tree when he researched it, he's Eastern European and his family took an Irish name on Ellis Island. And nice to hear an Irish person admit you shouldn't go back too far; can we drop the Obama is Irish crap given it took about four generations to find a small link (and in a generation containing at least 14 English and 2 Germans too...). 86.2.64.179 (talk) 22:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

' (O) Carr: The English name Carr has been used as the anglicised form of several different Irish surnames. See Cahir, Carry, MacElhar, Kerrane, Mulcair. Also for the Scottish Kerr'- in Edward MacLysaght, A Guide to Irish Surnames (Dublin, 1965), p. 39. 86.42.119.12 (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Pray what does this have to do with Carr? The guy wasn't born in Ireland and isn't Irish and that's fine (stating that because simply being born in Ireland doesn't make you Irish, just like Christian Bale being born in Wales yet he isn't Welsh). His ancestry has nothing to do with his nationality or identity unless he has stated it does, which it obviously has not. --Τασουλα (talk) 22:24, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Both his parents are Irish-born Irish citizens. That means he was automatically an Irish citizen from birth according to Irish nationality law, no matter where he was born (and, indeed, Carr himself states that he holds an Irish passport). Furthermore, British nationality law automatically confers British citizenship to anybody born in the UK to British citizens or foreign citizens with 'settled status' in the UK. Irish citizens living in the UK are automatically considered to have settled status in the UK. So Carr holds dual nationality, both British (UK) and Irish (Republic of Ireland). I would propose updating the article to reflect his dual nationality. However, if I update the article it would only result in an edit war, because on wikipedia people seem to have trouble understanding the concept of dual nationality. So I leave it up to somebody else to fix the article. 82.171.253.241 (talk) 14:27, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Nationality redux.

[2] - so, which one is it? Or more to the point, which one should it be? (tedious tedious tedious)--Máedóc (talk) 16:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Follow up: I really can't make sense of the above discussions as there are simply too many of them, so I have tagged the place of birth in the info-box.--Máedóc (talk) 23:28, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

According to the laws of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, there are two scenarios for his nationality, depending if he is born in the UK or in Ireland:

Scenario 1: Born in the UK: If he was born in the UK, than he holds dual British and Irish nationality. The child of Irish-born Irish parents is automatically Irish from birth, irrespective of birth place, as per the nationality laws of the Republic of Ireland. Additionally, a child born in the UK to an Irish parent is also considered automatically British from birth, as per United Kingdom nationality laws. So dual British-Irish citizenship.

Scenario 2: Born in Ireland: If he is born in Ireland, then he holds Irish citizenship only, unless he later decided to naturalise himself as a British citizen (which would have to be proven).

In neither of the above place of birth scenarios is he solely British (as the article currently states in the leader), no matter what the opinion of random Wikipedia contributors may be. But, then again, we live in a post-truth world of alternative facts, and nationality law is not relevant to alternative facts...

145.108.74.185 (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced nationality

His nationality is stated as British-Irish, yet this is unsourced. The only sourced info that we have is that he was born and raised in Britain, with his only ties to Ireland being the nationality of his parents (which does NOT affect an individual's nationality). If a valuable source stating his Irishness cannot be found, then the article must be ammended.

If someone can provide me with proof that he either considers himself Irish or has Irish citizenship/an Irish passport, then fair enough, he is indeed British-Irish and the article won't need any further editting. However, if no-one can provide me with any proof being annecdotal evidence, then something will have to be done about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WiseNinja1 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

By default, due to his parents birth place and ancestry he is an Irish citizen. He would of had to denounce it in order to not be I believe per Ireland's Nationalist Laws. --Nutthida (talk) 00:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

According to Irish nationality law he is Irish from birth, because his parents are Irish-born Irish citizens. 97.98.2.36 (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

On an episode of the latest series of 10 O'clock Live, Jimmy explicitly described himself as "English". He made no mention of being or feeling Irish and clearly did not even think to describe himself as such - or even "British" - the word he used was "English". He was disputing something with one of his fellow hosts and his words were: 'So I can't do [whatever they were disputing] because I'm English?' In the man's own words, he's considers himself English. 176.251.158.45 (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Well that should clear this matter up. --Τασουλα (talk) 18:47, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hardly. At most it means he thinks of himself as English, at worst he was just having a conversation where "English" was used as an example and he repeated it without thinking. --McGeddon (talk) 11:22, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

British, not Irish

Jimmy Carr was born in Isleworth, London. His PARENTS were born in Ireland, hence the mention of his Irish heritage. However, it is where you are born and raised that determine your nationality.

It's just another example of people trying to steal an important British person for their own country. For example, AC/DC is listed as an Australian band - despite the fact that every single member was born and raised in Britain, and all had British parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suicidal Lemming (talk • contribs) 19:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The first comment knows little about nationality. Under Irish Nationality law if he was born in Isleworth, anywhere else in the U.K. or the world for that matter, he would have Irish nationality as well as British. If he was born in Ireland like some above claimed he could be just Irish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realtóg (talk • contribs) 00:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of what the Irish perceive as the definition of nationality, he would not be Irish if he was born and raised outside of Ireland - regardless of his parents' nationality. It may be legal in Ireland, but it is factually and logically incorrect.

Ireland is notorious for its nationality laws, and looking from a logical perspective, their definitions can be disregarded. He is of Irish descent, yes, but he is of British nationality as he was born and raised in Britain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.139.233 (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Notorious? To whom? To you it seems. Your ignorance of international nationality laws it quite shocking. Also you have the arrogance to assume that the UK's rules on nationality are correct and any country that differ's from that are automatically incorrect. You may be surprised to know that Ireland is not the only country globally that extends nationality laws to children of it's citizens. You might be very surprised to know that Britain also does this (ever heard of the British ex-pat community in Spain for example?). It does not however automatically extend nationality rights to UK born children of citizens from EU Accession Member States (to save you having to look that one up - that's the block of countries who joined the EU in 2004 - e.g. Poland). So according to you - Jimmy is automatically British because he is born here - while others, according to the UK's own rules - are not. Or is it just the Irish connection you have a problem with?

Indeed, those comments about his Irishness were misguided and frankly racist. His personal identity and citizenship must be taken into account. Why would anyone think nationality is that important to a man like Carr anyway? Oh wait - it isn't. --Nutthida (talk) 04:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

No, not to me, just notorious in general.

There is no ignorance on my part. On the contrary, it is your ignorance of international nationality laws that is shocking. Best to read up on the subject.

I am not basing this on the UK's nationality laws, I am basing it on logic and objective fact. The fact of the matter is that the UK's nationality laws are, for the most part, logical, and Irish nationality laws are not - that isn't arrogance or an automatic assumption, that's just how it is.

I am fully aware that there are other countries with similarly flawed outlook on the subject, but Ireland is the subject here.

No, that is not the same thing. Ex-pats are people who have simply moved to another nation, but still retain their inherent nationality - this is not the same as branding someone as a national of a country they have had nothing to do with in their lives. Completely different principles.

Yes, and that is another flawed outlook on nationality, one that British law currently has. Regardless of what citizenship rights the state does and does not grant, it is still a fact that those born and raised in the UK are indeed British, as with any other country. Denying people legal status does not change objective reality.

Why would I have to look that up? Clearly I have a greater amount of knowledge on the subject, so it's rather daft for you to inform me of what I obviously already know.

No, I never said that those with parents of other nationalities are not British. If you actually read the comments it is quite clear that I would consider individuals in such a position British as well. It is absolutely nothing to do with the Irish connection, I am simply going on objective fact - those who are born and raised in Britain are British, regardless of heritage or flawed nationality laws. Jimmy is therefore British, regardless of what he or the state happens to think.

No, the comments about his Irishness are not misguided, and they certainly aren't racist by any stretch of the imagination. They are reasonable, considered, understanding and perfectly fair. His personal subjective opinion cannot possibly be taken into account as it is a matter of objective fact as opposed to personal feelings - wanting or believing yourself to be Irish does not actually make you Irish, any more than wanting to be a fig wasp automatically makes you a fig wasp.

And people rightly believe that nationality is important to him for the same reasons they believe that nationality is important to themselves - because it inherently is. It is your upbringing, your roots, your identity, and it most certainly is important. Either way, the fact of the matter is that he's British, and whether it is an important issue or not, the article must not call him Irish as this would quite simply be incorrect. 82.26.33.158 (talk) 03:44, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Jimmy Carr was born in the UK to UK permanent residents. This makes him automatically a British citizen from birth according to UK nationality law. He was also born to two Irish-born Irish citizens, which makes him automatically an Irish citizenship from birth according to Irish nationality law (just as child born in Spain to two British parents would be British from birth).

So he has dual citizenship.

This is not my opinion on the matter, it is legal fact.

97.98.2.36 (talk) 17:09, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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YouTube Presence

It his Little Tiny Quiz of the Lockdown noteworthy? Robin S. Taylor (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

"distinctive laugh"? On the introductory text of the lead section?

Jimmy Carr laugh is not at all something so important that, while it can be mentioned in the article, 100% doesn't belong to the introductory text (since it's much more important his huge contributions to stand up, comedy, TV, shows) than this small detail. To add insult to the injury, this is the current terrible wording:

James Anthony Patrick Carr (born 15 September 1972) is an English comedian, writer and television presenter. He is known for his dark humour, distinctive laugh, and heckler interaction. Carr moved to a career in comedy in 2000.

That is, of the mere 2 lines of the first header paragraph of the article, as one of the 3 thing he is known for, one is his laughter. Please, move this description to somewhere in the article, or just delete it.Santropedro (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Birthplace

There seems to be an edit conflict about Jimmy Carr's birthplace with a conflict over if he was born in Limerick or Hounslow. The article states that he was born in Limerick however from what I can see this is incorrect as the Birth records state that he was born in Hounslow and many reliable sources claim that he was born in Hounslow. I therefore propose changing his birthplace to show Hounslow and not Limerick.

birth record from Hounslow C. 22468 Talk to me 22:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, after a quick search i found many sources reporting that he was born in Hounslow or London in general. The Guardian and Digital Spy are two of them. Additionally, in the Irish Times article, currently cited as our source to say that he was born in Limerick, nowhere does Carr explicitly state that he was born in Limerick. He says: "I'm originally Irish, and people in Ireland are generally surprised to find out that I'm originally from Limerick." This might be a reference to his Irish roots, and not his actual birthplace. In an interview with The Big Issue he said: "I was brought up Irish-Catholic. My parents were from Limerick." If he had actually been born there, it would seem a bit weird to exclude himself, and only say that his parents were from Limerick. I believe we should trust FreeBMD and all those other sources that say that he was born in Hounslow. Radiphus (talk) 12:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

For the purpose of this article, is it more correct to say Hounslow is in Greater London, or just London? --EarthFurst (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Name

Just came across this for some bizarre reason, Jimmy Carr changed his name by deed poll from James to Jimmy. See here https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3625289.

Can't remember off the top of my head what the style guide is for this as the article leads with what his name was at birth, but if any of the editors of this article are interested in looking at it, well there you go. AndrewJD (talk) 14:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Backing vocals for Ed Sheeran's Visiting Hour

I saw a lot of adding and removing this fact in the history without much context. I think this fact should be recored in some way on this page. Should it be added and how should it be added? I did not make the original revision that was reverted but did come to add this.--Dfedde (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Not in the lead section and not in his list of "occupations". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I see you have now added under "Discography". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Guest appearances on TV and radio

Re: this recent "trim", I agree that "we don't need minute details such as the date that new tour dates were announced", but I think maybe too much was removed. Especially if it had good sources? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Good sourcing is irrelevant; the questions are WP:DUE and WP:10YEARTEST, surely? Appeared once as a panelist on an RTÉ comedy show? Was on a radio show that doesn't have its own WP entry, that played a couple of songs, this was the format? Not in any way encyclopedic, IMHO. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Good sourcing is relevant to content that's worthy of inclusion. WP:10YEARTEST has always seemed to me to be a wholly subjective crystal-ball-gazing exercise. But perhaps the article is now due for a 10-year retrospective trim. And I have nothing against RTÉ comedy shows, either. I guess they demonstrate popularity in Ireland, which some British comedians never enjoy? Some bio articles for TV personalities get everything in a table (perhaps because IMDb can't be trusted?). I thought most of the stuff you deleted did not belong, but you also seemed to have ditched reasonable well-sourced appearances. Happy to hear from other editors. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Nah, a one-off appearance as a guest on a panel show isn't notable, whether it was in Ireland or not. But by all means, feel free to restore anything you think should have been retained. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Page protected

This page is now protected. Please discuss all such edits here, instead of arguing about it over edit summaries. Thanks. -- how do you turn this on 22:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

As per above talk page - birth location confirmed as London. Other IP editor is POV pushing with unreferenced text. 92.11.249.102 (talk) 22:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Watch [3] "I present myself as being very English middle class but, I carry an Irish passport, have Irish parents, born in Ireland, just sort of raised and educated over here."

So he'd lie to the BBC live on tv then would he?78.16.207.34 (talk) 16:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It's happened. See the Robin Williams article, and his year of birth. -- how do you turn this on 16:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, what time in the video does he say that? -- how do you turn this on 16:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

The quote is at 8:42. It's just as ambiguous as the text; "have Irish parents, born in Ireland" can mean either "I have Irish parents and was born in Ireland" or "I have Irish parents who were born in Ireland". He also goes straight into a "...just goes to show what you can do when you apply yourself" punchline, which I'd interpret as him playing up as much genuine Irish heritage as he possibly can, for the sake of a joke. --McGeddon (talk) 16:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

That's what I assumed too. And as silly as it may sound, him saying where he was born in not a reliable source. The BMD index is reliable though. -- how do you turn this on 16:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It is probably about time this page was protected again, in view of the amount of vandalism and hibernipolemicism it attracts. Ant501UK (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I think it is time this page was protected again, in view of the recent vandalism prompted by the publicity about his "His Dark Material" show. 88.98.90.56 (talk) 19:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Please keep a neutral stance and add sources before criticising 'his dark material'

Jimmy Carr has been doing dark humour for a while, yet I just noticed someone added a new paragraph at the front section:

'Some of Carr's dark humour has been controversial. He has been criticised by campaign groups for a joke about the genocide of Romani people during the Holocaust and also accused of prejudice for an abortion joke he made about people with dwarfism.'

My request: Instead of rushing to edit his Wikipedia article to conform to the current trends and news headlines, maybe include sources so it doesn't look like a desperate attempt to make a political statement?

My opinion: Dark humour is, by definition, controversial. So, if you are going to criticise his last show ('his dark material') be sure to state which show you are referring to and at least watch most (if not all) of his shows beforehand so your information is not biased or product of a latest fashion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.60.124 (talk) 11:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't normally cite sources in the lede, since it is intended to summarise content expanded on and sourced in the body of the article. And see also Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Neutrality in article content is based around "significant views that have been published by reliable sources", rather than on abstract claims about 'bias', or on contributors' personal opinions. Media coverage of His Dark Material has been significant, and it isn't the first time that Carr has been subject to criticism for inappropriate comments, as you note. Under the circumstances, I don't think it would be at all appropriate to ignore such negative commentary. Wikipedia biographies aren't intended to be attack pieces, but neither should they make light of matters that the sources we rely on consider of importance. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:13, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

One might argue that the mention of killing Romani people as being funny does not warrant inclusion in the lead section as per WP:NOTNEWS and recency. But when reactions are reported in the press from the prime minister and from a prominent government cabinet member, it does seem quite notable. It's certainly a very good example, of his "dark humour" i.e. sickening racism. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it was clever to refer to the primer minister (and/or his cabinet) as a respectable example taking into account the current ongoing of scandals (some of which he had to apologise for, so it's not merely speculation) that question the moral integrity of our government. 79.71.60.124 (talk) 12:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for not appearing clever. It's still in the news, so the press thinks his comments are noteworthy? Yes, Johnson may well be a morally suspect individual. But I'm not sure Nadine Dorries can be tarred with the same brush. And what about fellow comedian David Baddiel? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Personally I think that if we include a named reference to a comedian who criticised the joke, it is not balanced to omit mention notable comedians or public figures who have defended the joke - I believe there have been a few, Victoria Coren Mitchell was one I saw. Better than some back and forth on which criticism is most significant (I love David Baddiel, but I don't know why his critique gets pride of place here), would perhaps be to take out that sentence entirely. I think the other criticisms in the paragraph are notable in their own right and should be left in though. Samuelshraga (talk) 13:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Sources do refer to "comedians including David Baddiel" criticising Carr. However, I've yet to see any statements by comedians other than Baddiel, and I would support removing the sentence. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure it was intended that he should "take pride of place". He just happed to be mentioned in that source, and he's a notable comedian. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think anyone will come away from the paragraph underestimating the scale of the criticism if we take out the sentence, but I do think that if we leave it in it is at best extraneous and at worst misleading. "Criticism also came from some fellow comedians such as David Baddiel" characterises the comedy industry as either proactively attacking Carr, or silent on the issue. The reality is that some have attacked, some have defended him, he evidently continues to get gigs and pull in crowds so the industry hasn't abandoned or blacklisted him, and we should either reflect that complexity more fully or not at all. (I personally don't think it's necessary at all). In politics and civil society on the other hand, the specific condemnations mentioned in the article are notable in their own right and broadly representative. Samuelshraga (talk) 12:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it may be too early to tell if "he continues to get gigs and pull in crowds" Not sure how many get "pulled in" to a Netflix special. No objection to removing the mention of Baddiel. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Baddiel has been accused of hypocrisy due to his own slurs against GRT community: [4] [5]. This was from 2004, so he's given the "it was a different time" excuses and blamed the internet. Not sure if any of this makes his views more/less worthy of inclusion. —AFreshStart (talk) 10:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Assertion of "racist humour" in introduction

The second sentence of the introduction reads: "He is known for his racist humour, distinctive laugh, and heckler interaction." and then references a Guardian article that says nothing to give any support for him being known for racist humour. This should be changed to "dark humour" (with which I think everyone would agree including Jimmy Carr), and a better reference found. 88.98.90.56 (talk) 18:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I have found that until this morning it did say "dark humour", and FreddieRainbow is the one responsible for changing that to "racist humour" at 08:58 UTC this morning. I will leave it to someone else to revert since the page is semi-protected. 88.98.90.56 (talk) 18:56, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

That Observer source says "The male gypsy moth can smell the female gypsy moth up to seven miles away – and that fact also works if you remove the word moth."? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@[User:Martinevens123]: I think you miss the point of references. They need to directly support the statement and indeed any statement on Wikipedia needs to be supported by external references. Referencing an article that quotes one of Carr's jokes that (I infer) you are claiming is racist, is not sufficient, because Wikipedia is not about you expressing your own opinions. To be even a potentially valid reference and lend any support to not reverting that assertion of "racist humour" the Observer/Guardian article would have to explicitly say he is known for racist humour or words to that effect, and give convincing evidence itself that that is a widespread view. 88.98.90.56 (talk) 18:56, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I see. Yes, I think that's a racist joke. But you don't think so? Yes, maybe it doesn't wholly support the claim that he's known for his racist humour. Perhaps that source is supporting the "heckling" claim? Strictly speaking, of course, as per WP:LEADCITE, there should be no need for any references in the lead section. Everything should be referenced in the article main body and the lead should just summarise it. You don't think the article makes it sufficiently clear that he's known for his racist (and/or dark) humour? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

My interpretation and your interpretation of whether or not a joke is racist (and the definition of that) is irrelevant - the only thing that is relevant is whether the cited reference makes the assertion made on the Wikipedia page by FreddieRainbow this morning, when he altered "known for his dark humour" to "known for his racist humour", and it doesn't do that. In any case, the reference wasn't added to support the "known for his racist humour" assertion, since the reference was already there. It was clearly vandalism by FreddieRainbow, made without first being discussed on this talk page, and is awaiting reversion. 88.98.90.56 (talk) 19:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

There is no consensus for changing "dark humour" to "racist humour", so I will revert that change. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Was that a test? You could have just suggested that FreddieRainbow's edit be reverted. Which Ghmyrtle has now kindly done. Re the gypsy joke, "The BBC apologised for this joke"... so I assume they also thought it was racist. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Not really sure what that source is doing there, perched in the lead section, anyway. It briefly mentions "At a gig that night in Tunbridge Wells he defended himself to a heckler" (hardly "known for" territory) and has no mention of either "his laugh" or "his dark humour"? No hecklers in the main body either. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:BOLD Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

And have a few one-liners prepared for your hecklers? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I apologise unreservedly for my earlier edit. I didn't think of it as vandalism at the time, but looking back, of course, that's what it amounted to. I regrettably allowed my emotions to cloud my judgement. I am grateful to all who took the time to consider this matter and to repair my damage. I'm very sorry. FreddieRainbow (talk) 08:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Relationship to his father

In 2021 Carr said he had not spoken to his father since 2000 and had not seen him in person, with the exception of an autograph signing after a gig in 2015.

In 2004 his father was arrested, accused of harassing Carr and his brother Colin, but was acquitted and awarded costs.

These two sentences are obviously contradictory, so which is correct? Since the second one is unreferenced, I'd say its the first one. MeAmME (talk) 19:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

An unsourced claim that someone has been arrested is a WP:BLP violation - I've removed it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

(e/c) Why are they "obviously contradictory"? I don't see any contradiction between Carr not speaking to his father since 2000, and his father being accused of harassing Carr (other sources suggest via email, fax and phone messages) in 2004. It's not that easy to find non-tabloid sources for this sort of stuff, but this may be one. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, if they havn't even spoken since 2000, that means they had virtually no contact since that year. Harrassing someone needs some form of contact between the parties involved. But yes, one can argue that Carr ignored didn't respond to his father's harassment personally. Since there is very little information on this family feud, we should probably leave the paragraph at that. Anyways, thanks for the source:-). MeAmME (talk) 19:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Speaking to someone, or sending stuff to them, does not require the recipient / listener to reply. There is quite a lot of detail on this saga online, but mostly in tabloid sources that we wouldn't want to use here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Bio image

Is someone able to update the bio image, from that 2015 one? Wikipedia comes out quite high in search results and this old image sticks out like a sore thumb. I can't figure out how to upload one....or I would do it myself

Plenty of new images in his website - expand the About section to find some smaller ones https://www.jimmycarr.com/about/

SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

The most likely reason that the image hasn't been updated yet is that all of the photos of Jimmy Carr on his website fall under copyright, so we can't use it. If we want a better photo of him, someone would have to request it from him or someone that represents him. There are some instructions on how to do this: Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. The reason our picture is from 2015 is because that was the last time a photographer took a picture of him and uploaded it to Wikipedia as their "own work". Reconrabbit 15:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

There are some others at Commons, but all are of the same age or older. A Google search for Creative Commons licenses yields a few at Flickr, but they are not very good quality. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - I moved on a little bit, since posting this. I've got one from his new tour (2023) that I've been given permission to use (by Chambers Management) - but am waiting to find out which copyright thingy it falls under as they told me the photographer and so on - but not the classification. Soon as I get a response on that I can update it. Thx SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the copyright licence is critical. I have found the whole process to be a potential minefield and have given up on a number of occasions. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You've just made me even more determined to get it updated!! Wish me luck. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You are aware that edit Wikipedia is a privilege, not a right?

And I advice you to read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The Banner talk 16:34, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Errr - not sure why you are giving me attitude over a jokey response! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You are aware that making jokey responses is a privilege, not a right? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking my fingers are going to get me into trouble, the way this has gone downhill! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You are aware that downhill fingers are a privilege, not a right?! lol Martinevans123 (talk)

Tour dates

I find this site really tricky to edit - can someone else edit the Terribly Funny 2.0 date to end in 2024 please? He's adding new dates all the time but the USA is already showing as up to April 2024. Thx

https://www.jimmycarr.com/live-tour/usa/

SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

We have to be careful not to turn this article into a tour promo outlet... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

It is a tour promo or is it just correcting inaccurate information? The page initially said that the tour ends in 2023 and it ends in 2024 (I've managed to alter it since). I didn't put the dates on there originally so my assumption was that, if it's something that you (you, meaning the site) want to display, then it should be accurate?? Happy to be corrected - but logging off for the evening. TTFN. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's something that we (meaning you, me and other editors) might want to display. If the tour hasn't ended, then yes, the article shouldn't say it has. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a relief! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 10:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Irish

The article clearly states: "He has dual British and Irish citizenship, travels on an Irish passport, has spoken of his pride in having Irish ancestry, and was presented in 2013 with a certificate of Irish heritage in his parents' home city of Limerick by the city's mayor." The source is this one. So the fact he is British-Irish is neither "lies" nor "a typo". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

id there any evidence or sources he has British citizenship? I've just had a quick look and he only ever refers to his Irish passport. Given the CTA there would of been a need for him to get British citizenship. 89.100.171.118 (talk) 06:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

He's said it in interviews - also found it on https://ireland-calling.com/citizenship/jimmy-carr-irish-citizenship/ SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Can't use youtube as a source?

Hi, I had a question about an edit I made which was reverted (@Ghmyrtle) because it used YouTube as a source.

I understand if it was a video summarising an academic study, for example. But this is a direct recording of what Carr said, it's unclear to me why a video of someone speaking is not reliable account of their thoughts (assuming reliability is the issue)?

I'm fairly new to editing and I'm not disputing this - I'm sure I was in the wrong - just looking for clarity for future reference.

Thank you JM1215 (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I've got the same question. Artists are far more likely to be interviewed in a podcast than a newspaper.

For example - when Carr travelled to Australia he had 7 hours flight some days, moving to the next city. Artists in this instance find it easier to jump on podcasts (sometimes from hotel rooms) than to have to be at a radio station for a specific time.

But I'm not sure why it makes the information any less valid? SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

It's quite possibly true that Wikipedia policy on the use of sources like podcasts and YT videos needs some updating. But, policies and guidelines are agreed on a site-wide basis, and the best place to discuss any issues may well be here - rather than on this page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - I've raised a discussion (not sure how to link it here)

Newbie2 SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Comedy Specials

There is a table (under Comedy Specials) which i added a Role column to (as each one varies re roles of Writer, Exec Producer, Associate producer etc.). This has been removed and I'm not sure why?

I also added "Bill Burr Presents Friends Who Kill" (Netflix Special) and this is apparently also not acceptable.

Help! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Filmography

I added the 2 items below to the Filmography table and they were both removed. Can anyone tell me why, please?

- 1999 The Colour Of Funny - Writer

- 2024 Fackham Hall - Writer, Executive Producer

(I think I cited Chortle for the latter - but this one would also work https://www.comedy.co.uk/film/fackham-hall/) SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Informal tone, style problems, original research

I rolled back a bunch of changes by SecretSquirrel9 who introduced many problems to the biography, especially regarding the podcasts. It looks like we are trying to dig up a history of his radio appearances and podcasts taken from the items themselves rather than WP:SECONDARY sources analysing his career. The self-published website rickygervais.tumblr.com cannot be considered authoritative. Interviews with Carr are not analysis of his career.

What record did Carr supposedly break in performing 17+ times at Birmingham Symphony Hall? How is it that petermcgraw.org is able to give Carr the honorific of "hardest working man in comedy"? Carr's own website should not be used to describe a career arc.

Style problems include using numerals for single-digit numbers rather than writing out the number. Binksternet (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Regrettably I think that is fully justified. It seems that User:SecretSquirrel9 is a new user who may be unaware of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. But they are obviously very interested in Carr and are enthusiastic in trying to improve this article. I hope they can adjust/moderate their approach and will call upon fellow editors for help. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Few questions...

With the Podcast area someone put a list of half a dozen on, in no order, and I'd just tidied them up and put the biggest ones on from the last 12 months (no where close to how many he did). Not sure why that is wrong as Podcasts now are the TV shows of our day? Joe Rogan gets MILLIONS more views than any other show on TV.

Interviews with Carr were being used by earlier citations that were broken - albeit they were sometimes being reported by newspapers. I've just looked up more recent ones on Podcasts, to make them authoritative (where it is comments about him personally).

Ok on the Gervais one - I've got other sources I could use. Don't recall using Carr's own website - although previous editors had and the link was broken as the site had had a major overhaul recently.

Style problems - I copied whatever was already in use for each section (?). I didn't like some of them myself...

Let me know and I'll have a look later. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 13:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello again

It looks like you have virtually rolled everything back though and actually put things back which are not true, re-ordered text that i had just made chronological and removed Awards that were correctly cited. Bit confused by some of the rejections and, without knowing the reason for each one, am likely to make the same mistakes again.

Re @Martinevans123 (saying call on fellow editors) - not sure how that can work when i have a lot to correct? Volunteering?

I'd looked at lots of pages, belonging to other comedians, and analysed what information had been accepted on theirs and some of the things that have just been rolled back I've seen elsewhere (and not recent edits).

Just when i thought i was making progress :o))

T SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 13:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe just slow down a bit and wait for others to agree? But beware of being branded as a WP:SPA. And other comedian's pages may also be wrong.... and just overlooked. As Binksternet has pointed out, reliable secondary sources are probably the key to progress here. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm - I won't be a WP:SPA (eventually) but have just had a few days to myself (I'm self employed and it's quiet time), it's been cold and wet and i was getting to grips with the interface. I was only doing a few edits a day and waiting to see if stuff got rolled back - but wasn't sure how long was long enough? I've got a note of all my edits (and more than one source for much of it) but need some guidance on what i can put back, because I am mystified as to why so much was removed. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 14:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, "how long is long enough" is a bit indeterminate. You've always got the Talk page here if you're unsure on whether or how to add something. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry - feeling a bit whiney today (dental work this morning) so this was just the icing on the cake! The cake i would struggle to eat right now... I was making edits to take my mind off my teeth.

I did ask someone re how to do the bullet points but everything else I figured out ok (except tone of voice, it would appear). I've been in IT for years and work in SEO.

The other thing I just thought of was how quickly would you decide i was a WP:SPA? I've got years worth of info/knowledge on comedy (especially Carr) and music / certain IT topics - but my work ebbs and flows. I'm starting a new contract at the weekend and there are only so many hours a day i can sit down, without seizing up. So would possibly be less likely to do edits on here.

If you are saying "slow down" and I can see a lot wrong with that page - i could be stuck on it for weeks. Especially as I spent probably 3 times as long offline, checking out sources.

I did think when i first started making edits that i wished there was a positive step - as in someone approving. So that you know you can move on to another update. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

See WP:THERAPY, even for root canal alas, but that can happen to all of us, I guess. People may be watching, people may not. So it's always best to ask explicitly first. Again, there's no hard and fast rule on WP:SPA: those editors are usually also edit warriors, which you appear not to be. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Crikey. That's one terrifying page... I'm not sure a couple of hours of distraction is therapy though...it was just more constructive than watching comedy videos. Have you got a page for "what to do when your expensive dental insurance doesn't cover an £800 root canal"?

I've just read the page about not biting newcomers - specifically un-deletion or arbitration on points. Would I have to raise each point as a discussion on here?

For example - the 2nd para of "personal life" says he has spoken of depression and this is not true and the citation quoted only uses the words "mental health". He has discussed this a lot and specifically says that Depression is a medical issue that is treated with pharmaceuticals and that he was just sad. Basically he's said many times that people conflate Sadness with Depression and shouldn't. So that para is completely the wrong way around.

Should I re-edit it or put a discussion on here, please? Or i could just go and stick my head in the oven. Either works for me right now. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd raise an example question here. It saves on gas. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Quoting WP:THERAPY at a newbie seems a bit OTT, Martin! SecretSquirrel is right - WP:NOBITING! SecretSquirrel - some of the advice above is good. Reliable secondary sourcing is the key thing. So, for example, absolutely re-write the paragraph on depression/mental health, sourcing it to where somebody writes about what Carr has said on the subject. And welcome to Wikipedia! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok. Sorry if SecretSquirrel feels bitten by me. I'll leave it to you folks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

Actually it wasn't Martin i meant - it was having 4 days of edits dumped when I'm sure they can't ALL have been bad. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the stuff out of this page that is wrong and bring it up to date.

I've just added a reply to someone else's discussion on here re YouTube as a source. Carr (and most other of the biggest comedians) rarely gives "written" interviews any more as he's flying around the world with an insane schedule (you only have to watch his feed on X to see).

I am 100% i won't find that in writing so my only other option would be to remove that line completely as whoever put it there has misinterpreted what the original article said (it only mentioned mental health, not depression).

Maybe i should start a blog as "Bonkers Bunny" and then source myself ((joking)) SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Me and Binkster are bezzy mates really. A bit like Starsky & Hutch, I've always thought... Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

So you're ganing up on me, is that it?

I need emojis on here...so you can tell when I'm joking SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

ganGing SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Likewise. That was the last thing I was attempting. Please mentally attach to most of my comments above, but especially the last one. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm a woman on the edge today...beware! I'm raising questions all over the place. Going to regret this, methinks SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thx - done! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

The quickest fix is to mention Carr's works factually in chron order and not apply a dramatic arc. Binksternet (talk) 16:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm a dramatic person though... (kidding). I think the problem for me is I can't see what on earth was wrong with some of the infor - see the questions that I've just raised here.

I was trying hard to not nuke text that other people had previously added - but it's tricky when it's kind of off enough to need a full rewrite. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Stand up comedy / Charity

I had moved the first para down to the end (it's not currently chronological) and also moved one item down to "controversies". I was trying to prep to add more "important" milestones in such as supporting Dave Chappelle at the Hollywood Bowl and last week's gigs in India (something very few Western acts have done).

Those "re-orders" have been returned - any ideas why?

Also I was going to add a Charity section as there are a lot of events not mentioned and I thought it would look tidier - Princes Trust, Comic Relief, Queens Jubilee, Stand Up For Heroes (USA), Secret Policeman's Ball. Are Charity sections ok? All of these events he has performed at more than once - so it's not just a paragraph worth (have citations for all) SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:37, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

A couple of corrections

He was a virgin until 26 according to himself on BBC's "would I lie to you?" He attended Burnham Grammar School in Buckinghamshire up till sixth form when he moved to RGS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canwetakearide (talk • contribs) 03:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

His virginity is not currently mentioned? But the schools seem to be correct. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Tours

Another rejected edit of mine...I added a column to the Tours table to indicate which DVD / Netflix special applied to each one. What i was hoping to then do (but never got chance) was take that "noise" from the Stand up section.

So, instead of having things like "Carr's sixth Live DVD, Jimmy Carr: Making People Laugh, was released on 8 November 2010" - I had just added "Making People Laugh" on the row for "Rapier Wit" as I thought this would make the page tidier...especially as I have some more tour related text I would like to add in.

It does partially repeat the Titles in "Comedy specials" but I didn't want to make 1 massively wide table (by combining the 2) as I'm sure it will look horrible on a mobile device.

And currently what is in the tables - is repeated up in the text.

Thoughts? SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Television

I have also had bounced a table row for "2005-2006 Distraction - Presenter - Comedy Central (USA)" - linked to Comedy Central. I felt this warranted it's own row because, although the same show format, it was a whole new production crew/company and had moved from the UK to USA.

And another row that was removed "2024 Battle In The Box - Host - Dave" https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/battle-in-the-box/ which I think has already been filmed but just not scheduled yet.

ANy idea why this vanished, please? SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Magik - how can I disprove?

Under Filmography it says "2016 - Magik - Jacob (voice)". I've removed this once and had it undone - but how can i prove that he was NOT in this film? Wherever this information originally came from it has spread like bindweed around the web and I've already removed it from several places - after emailing his Management company (info account) and having it confirmed. Can I take it back off again? SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Basically, all content needs to be verifiable if challenged, and can be removed if there is no citation/reference. So yes, this can be removed. What we can't do is use something his management company replies with - that would be original research. Bear in mind, if there is a reliable source to back something up, it can stay - even if it's wrong! But iMDB - like any user-generated content site - is not a reliable source. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I removed it once and the little devil bounced back again!! It's basically on "user contributed databases" all over the place (and I think it is on a South African Wiki too). It just WILL not die.

Re the management company statement - I just said "i can find no concrete evidence that he was in that film, or that it's even been released. Was he?" and I got back a "NOPE" (paraphrasing). I just couldn't find where it had come from - but, whoever started it, it took on a life of its own. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Podcast links

This page has a Podcasts section with a handful of shows linked. I replaced that text with a table with 12 podcasts on from UK/USA and Aus, which has been rejected.

What is acceptable for something like this, please? Several of the ones I'd added have MILLIONS of listenets (one being Joe Rogan) and, to some extent, podcasts are more important than some TV appearances.

Most of the ones I added were from the past 12 months - one of the older ones was Diary of a CEO which has had 1.6m views on YouTube and has also been shown on the BBC. Those kinds of numbers are a big deal for any artist - so does anyone have opinions on what is acceptable? SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is probably waiting for a peer-reviewed 10-year meta-study in the International Journal of Podcast Studies before anything like that could be considered. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Huge market. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, published by anorak-cellarnurds.uk. Well worth the $299 annual subscription. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Awards

I lengthened the Awards list, as below, and they were bounced. Not sure why?

The only ones i was not able to add citations for were the ones for Nuts magazine, because it went bust and the archive pages wouldn't link.

·        Perrier Award Nomination (2002)

·        Time Out Award: Best Stand Up (2003)

·        Royal Television Society Award: Best On-Screen Newcomer (2003)

·        LAFTA Award: Best Stand Up (2004)

·        Rose D'Or Nomination: Best Presenter, Distraction (2004)

·        LAFTA Award: Funniest Man (2005)

·         Rose D'Or Nomination: Best Presenter, Distraction (2004)

·        LAFTA Award: Best Stand Up (2006)

·        British Comedy Award: Best Live Stand Up (2006)

·        LAFTA Award: Funniest Man (2007)

·        LAFTA Award: Best Stand Up (2008)

·        Nuts Awards: Best Stand Up (2010)

·        LAFTA Award: Loaded Legend (2011)

·        Zoo Awards: Funniest Man (2011)

·        The LAFTAs: Funniest DVD for "Being Funny" (2012)

·        Nuts Awards: Funniest Comic (2014) SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

If the only evidence that someone won an award is the website of the organisation that bestowed it, that's a good indication that it's not sufficiently notable for inclusion. Only list significant awards that get reported by independent secondary media (and probably only ones that we have an article about, which is a good indication that the award itself is notable. Girth Summit _(blether) 09:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

The only UK sites that tend to report this type of thing tend to be Comedy.co.uk (British Comedy Guide) and Chortle and I think my links were mostly to one or the other.

Where I am struggling is where my citations seem to have been held to higher standards than others on the page. If you have a moment - if you look at the top Award on the page now (Time Out 2002 - which has been there for years, from what i can tell) the citation is pretty much nonsensical. I think this link would be better https://www.chortle.co.uk/comics/j/261/jimmy_carr/news - it's not perfect - but a 22 year old comedy story is mainly only on old pages like http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3601272.stm or pages for after dinner speaker promos / his management's website.

Should I change that one to Chortle? Do you view Chortle or the BCG as credible sources? Hoping so as they are all I've got.

In this example link the BCG has more awards listed - but, ironically, not that one https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/jimmy_carr/ SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

It's not that you're being held to a higher standard, it's more like someone noticed what you were doing. Lots of our articles have dodgy sources (hell, someone of them have downright vandalism in them) simply because it's the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit - someone comes along, adds a dubious assertion supported by a ropey source, nobody notices, and it sits there for years. You have come along and made lots of significant changes, however, and you've asked about it on a well-attended help page, so people have noticed what you are doing, and are vetting your changes, that's all.

Now, as for the awards/sourcing, as I said if stuff isn't picked up in mainstream media, it probably isn't worth mentioning. A long list of awards that someone has won isn't, in my view, of any particular interest to the reader - it's the sort of puff that someone might put on their own CV or on their website, but I don't think our readership cares whether or not Carr won some award from 'Nuts' magazine. I'd probably just strip the awards back to the ones that we actually have articles about, those should be easy enough to source (and yes, that 22-year old BBC page would be fine). Girth Summit _(blether) 11:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

As a newbie it's a bit overwhelming how many help pages there are and so I also looked around the page(s) of a lot of other comedians for inspiration.

I am fine with guidance, honest....but so far (until i kicked off these specific questions) I'd only had a mass reject. Even though I'd done as suggested to me and made individual, small edits that could stand on their own.

Just for clarity though - I am an absolute stickler for accuracy - just not quite figured out how to apply it here yet.

I'll have a look at the awards list later. Walk time. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 11:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)