Talk:Jewish population by country/Archive 1

The U.S. figure exceeds the North America figure -- Something is obviously very wrong

The figure given for the United States is larger than the figures given for North America. Since all of the United States (except perhaps Hawaii, Guam, etc., which have very few Jews) is in North America, the North America figures should be larger than the U.S.A. figures. The U.S. and North America figures might both be wrong, but they cannot both be right. One, the other, or both, is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.10.94.35 (talk) 23:22, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Propaganda

Jewish Names in the phone book are how you determine. The USA is 80-90% Jewish now. So is the UK--2605:6000:3D10:8400:211A:8044:929B:34D1 (talk) 20:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Every President was of Jewish origin and genealogy

From Washington(wassington) to Lincoln(cohn) to Trump.--65.26.30.35 (talk) 03:14, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Maps

I didn't give you permission to use my maps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.59.102.126 (talk)

This comment was added anonymously 28 Dec 2004. No way to know if it was posted by the creator of the maps but it got me to look at the provenance. The image pages attribute them to Matthew White and link to http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/maildrop.htm. On that page, he writes, "I do not release my work into the public domain. I do not allow my work to be distributed under GNU Free Documentation License." He's also pretty clear about giving permission only for non-commercial use, whereas Wikipedia is not supposed to use images with that restriction. I'd say this use is almost certainly not legit, and I am going to flag the images as probable copyvios. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:48, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

Jmabel, I added the images when I created the article, and I did make sure that these images were tagged properly. According to the usage page, his older maps were acceptable to reprint as long as credit was given and they were not used commercially. Even though they were not GNU licensed, they seemed valuable to include, and available for wiki use under the author's own usage restrictions. If that was a mistake, then do remove them. --Goodoldpolonius2 16:00, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Given the above note, which may or may not be from Matthew White, could you possibly contact him and try to get his overt permission to use these? -- Jmabel | Talk 21:36, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, though he warns that he checks his email less than once every six months - hopefully he will come back (if that is him) and answer directly. --Goodoldpolonius2 23:17, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes. It was me. If you personally were the end user, I would be more relaxed about it, but Wikipedia content gets copied by about three hundred unrelated sites, some of whom are commercial, most of which are unedited without even the minimal quality control. Also, I only allow 3 maps per site, and Wikipedia is up against its quota already. Also, since Wikipedia has ten thousand writers and it's never finished, there's no guarantee that in three months the maps won't be illustrating some neo-Nazi tirade, which will then have my name attached. So please, remove them. Sorry. Matthew White 30 Dec.

Okay, Matthew, too bad. Let us know if you change your mind. In the meantime (every hopeful), I will remove them. --Goodoldpolonius2 15:12, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Israel vs. Diaspora

It seems to me that the breakdown of the numbers into Israel vs. "diaspora" is a political one, rather than anything else. World total is, of course, appropriate, as are these other breakdowns, but "diaspora" (which is simply the total minus Israel) seems to to be in this chart as a separate entry only out of Zionist political position. Barring a clear reasoned objection in the next few days, I will remove it. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:37, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC) Since no one has voiced disagreement, I am going ahead with this. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:06, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)

NPOV issues in this article

There are some NPOV issues in this article but I am not editing directly first purposing it in the talk. The most evident of those is following.

Jewish population in ‘west bank’ and ‘gaza strip’ should also be mentioned because many countries don’t recognize it as a part of Israel and that makes it forth largest ‘jewish population’ after US, Israel and France.
Zain 13:22, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Maybe just footnote Israel as "including disputed territories"? Because otherwise we are going to get dragged into the distinction between unilaterally annexed East Jersualem and the rest of the West Bank, and the issue of the small number of Jews (but possibly comparable to the number of Jews in Gaza) living illegally even by Israeli standards in territory not authorized for settlements, etc. Anyway, for now, I'll just add the footnote. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:35, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

As the concern section gives ‘Jewish population distribution’ in different areas if you give approximate number of Jews in occupied areas, from my side contents will be acceptable. The number which I believe is 370,000. You can also check this number as a foot note on Jew article.

Thanks for your cooperation Zain 21:30, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your changes :-) Zain 23:37, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Most of the sources of this article are jewish. Isnt that NPOV? Or at least state it in the article that most of the claims of jews are from jewish sources. Then let the reader think logically if its NPOW or not. For example source nr6. Founded by Andrew Kohut, jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.30.108.177 (talk) 07:25, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Population tables

Jmabel, would it be more interesting to see the 1900 and 2002 tables side by side? I think it would allow for interesting comparisons, and fill the page better as well. Thoughts? Jayjg | (Talk) 02:31, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

They are not very comparable on any level smaller than continents. For example, the meaning of Austria in 1900 is so archaic that I didn't even link it to our Austria article, I linked it to Cisleithania. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:16, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

Well, ok, but on the continent level it is, and I think the aesthetics are better. Cisleithania? Very impressive. :-) Jayjg | (Talk) 03:48, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC

New population info: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

160.39.226.97 06:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)lauren160.39.226.97 06:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Table problem

These tables are messed up again. I would change them if I knew how, but I don't. I'm sure one of you out there must know what to do. I'm sure there's valuable information there if I could see it in any clear format. Help! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.59.221.184 (talk • contribs) 15 Nov 2005.

Looks fine to me, browsing at the moment with Internet Explorer. If you are still seeing a problem, could you be more specific? -- Jmabel | Talk 23:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

The calculations of percentage Jewish population for several countries is clearly wrong. I dont have time to check everyone, but belgium, netherlands, denmark seem off by at least a factor of ten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.4.130 (talk) 17:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice Job, Jmabel

Good job on the rewrite of the page - coherent and informative. --Goodoldpolonius2 03:08, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I agree. Jayjg | (Talk) 03:13, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tables

What happened to the tables on this page? OneGuy 23:25, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yikes, that's awful. I think something has changed in Wikipedia, in the past couple of days "un-executed" html format commands have started showing, rather than being hidden. That's how I discovered I had one in my sig. Jayjg | (Talk) 14:32, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Looks fine in my browser (FireFox). Either this is browser-specific or it's been switched back. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:55, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

It's displaying fine now unlike yesterday. OneGuy 04:53, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Bnei Menashe

someone wanna update this to include the estimated 6,000 newly "official Jews" (Bnei Menashe) in India? Tomer ^TALK 03:05, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Well, according to Rabbi Shlomo, they aren't Jewish until his folks finish officially converting them[1]. Then, I suppose, they are all going to Israel, like the previous Indian Jewish communities, so there will be little need to update the India list. --Goodoldpolonius2 03:18, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

From what I've read on the subject, relying on other articles than just the Haaretz article, is that the Rabanut is planning to open a semipermanent "outreach" facility. There are some 5 million people who are members of the ethnic groups in question (it doesn't just involve the Mizo)...and from what I've read, the rabanut sees this as an ongoing process. My understanding, again, relying on Shavei Israel and other sources, is that the rabanut has declared "kosher" those who are already living as Jews, and is planning for the future, rather than merely giving a stamp of approval to what is essentially already a given "fact" in the mind of Shavei Yisrael and the Bnei Menashe community already living in India. Tomer ^TALK 04:32, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Double counting

The Israeli population stats include anyone who has Israeli citizenship or permanent resident status and has visited Israel within a year. Most of these people are also included in the Jew population of other countries. So summing these numbers is meaningless and deceptive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.166.191 (talk)

"Meaningless and deceptive?" Perhaps you want to provide a source on the magnitude of this "deception"? Or actually read the report cited in the article, which talks about methodology? The numbers are population estimates, and as the Jewish population surveys have not been shy about showing decreases in Jewish population, I am not aware of any source that says that worldwide Jewish population numbers have been systmatically inflated. Israel does indeed count in its census citizens that live abroad but return once a year, similar to how other countries count their population, but there does not seem to be any reason to believe these people are double-counted in any large numbers in the censuses of other countries. The counts of population in the United States are done by sampling surveys of local Jewish communities, for example, not citizenship counts, and efforts are made to weed out dual-counting, which is always a problem in surveys and are included in margins of error(take a look at the methodology section). In fact, the numbers provided here are the lowest population estimates, the big debate is over the definition of what it is to be a Jew, and many of the margins of error are high in any case -- 3.5% for the US, larger for some other countries. --Goodoldpolonius2 15:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I wish I had a source for the the resident and non-resident populations. The CBI has this information, they just don't publish it. I have seen estimates of several hundred thousand "Israelis living abroad". I can find nothing in the report that indicates they have corrected for this. Most other countries publish statistics on the number of people actually living there (useful for planning roads and schools, etc.)24.64.166.191 23:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

The numbers are usually that as many as a few hundred thousand Israelis live abroad, according to an article I read awhile ago (sorry, no source). But the census figures are done similarly for the United States, in that they count citizens living abroad in the census of US citizens. Again, there isn't really any reason to suspect massive double-counting, given the methodological differences in the survey techniques, and any double-counting, even of several hundred thousand people, is entirely overwhelmed by the uncertainty around the numbers as a whole. From adherents.com: "Estimates of the world's Jewish population range from about 12 million to over 17 million. On the high end of realistic estimates of how many people would consider themselves Jews seems to be about 15 million, but a figure this high would include a large number of non-practicing, purely ethnic Jews"[2] --Goodoldpolonius2 02:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I found some info on the Canada census. They count diplomatic and military employees abroad.

I am skeptical about your claim about the US - they have no way of contacting civilians living abroad and they do not keep records of every border crossing. Until recently at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.166.191 (talk)

I pulled the US stuff off of the census methodology page, but what they claim and what is real is probably very diferent. In any case, as I said, the 5 million person discrepency between surveys, plus the fact that the article's numbers are lower than the "realistic estimates" of 15 million cited above, leads me to believe that this is not a problem in any case. --Goodoldpolonius2 07:34, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

The US stuff is moot regardless. The US does not count "Jews" in the census, and so the AJYB conducts "surveys", which are questionable at best (read "pure bunk"). Not only are their criteria for Who is a Jew? somewhat murky, their "survey" methods are rather flawed. For example, on page 268 of the 2002 AJYB, it lists only an estimated 100 Jews for Appleton, Wisconsin (a preposterously low number) and an estimated 300 Jews for Wausau, which it notes "includes Stevens Point, Marshfield, Antigo and Rhinelander" (p.274). It also lists 300 Jews in "other places", which seems like kind of an "out". I can tell you, there are more than 300 Jews in "other places" in Wisconsin. How I know is that in Eau Claire, where I live, there are about 100 Jews who associate actively with the Jewish community at least during high holy days. There are many more who are Jewish, who don't deny that they're Jewish, but don't feel any particular need to be part of the kahal. According to the AJYB, they should be counted as Jews, but they're not...why not? Because their flimsy "survey" only asks about people who identify with the local community when they call around to synagogues out in Podunk, USA. Not that a miscalculation in the number of Jews in Eau Claire is going to have a great affect on the total Jewish population, by whatever definition of Jews that's used, whether by the AJYB or anyone else, but the community here is just one of hundreds across the US, and I have a hard time believing this is the only place that's been erroneously enumerated. So, like I said, it's moot. Spending much time arguing over its accuracy is time wasted. The whole article should just be changed to read "not many" or "not enough".  :-\ Tomer ^TALK 05:51, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

New JPPPI numbers

I note that the JPPPI, under Sergio DellaPergola et cie, has released new numbers which estimate as of 2005, at http://www.jpppi.org.il/JPPPI/SendFile.asp?TID=67&FID=2377 (it's a PDF). I had assumed that these numbers are newly authoritative; the 2005 estimates are indeed estimates but, then, so are all previous numbers too I imagine -- it is hard to believe that an exhaustive census was conducted! Anyway, writing to let folks know about it. Jewish diaspora now reflects these numbers although, if there is a good reason not to do so that I am missing, that would be fine too. --AnotherBDA 06:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I looked at the JPPPI report, and we can certainly include it, though I wonder what the methodological differences are from the World Jewish Population 2002 report, as it is lower by 200,000 people, yet that seems to come from data revisions and not population changes. I think it might be better to wait for the full WJP to come out in the next few months. --Goodoldpolonius2 14:34, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Ancient Roman Empire?

How about some information about the population of Jews in ancient Rome? Not neccesarily just the middle east but the empire as a whole? Flyerhell 04:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It would be welcome if anyone has citable numbers. If someone wants to follow this up, it might be in Harry J. Leon, The Jews of Ancient Rome (Philadelphia 1960). - Jmabel | Talk 00:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Major overhaul (moves, merges, renames, and additions)

Hello Wikipedians. Based on talk discussions and merge templates, I was bold and shuffled a ton of content tonight. In summary:

• I moved all historical population data (particularly from Jewish population) to Jews by country/Historical comparison and then renamed that article Historical Jewish population comparisons.
• I merged all current population data from Jews by country to Jewish population.
• I repurposed Jews by country to house a table that offers links to articles about current Jews in a country, the history of Jews in that country, and the "List of Jews" of that country.
• I redirected Lists of Jews by country to Jews by country.
• I added a "Total population" section to Jewish population.

I tried to move all the references properly, but please feel free to check things over. Several of the tables need to be converted into Wiki syntax, and I will try to get to that.

I am cross-posting this message to:

• Talk:Jews by country
• Talk:Jewish population
• Talk:Historical Jewish population comparisons
• Talk:Lists of Jews by country

Thanks! — Reinyday, 08:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge With World Jewry

I am very much for the merging of this article with the more lucidly termed World Jewry. If you read the above editors points, you like I will realize all our content is too confusing and falling short of any real categories. Chavatshimshon 11:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what "above editors" you mean. "Jewry" is a word frequently used in antisemitic writings, usually for scaremongering. "Population" is neutral and much more common in scholarly works. Beit Or 16:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I put my Google filter off and made a search for 'Jewry'. Besides for the fact that in my readings and in everyday life Jewry is not the oft negative term you say it is, the first hundred result I looked didn't allege your case. I also did a search on a few ani-semitic websites like jewwatch and didnt find the word Jewry. Please study your claim, it is simply ficticious. Chavatshimshon 17:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Historically, post-exile and pre-Haskalah, Jewry is a perfectly reasonable term. And it remains a reasonable term for a particular group of Orthodox Jews organized under a rabbinate. But it is an absolutely inappropriate term here. As a secular Jew in Seattle, I am certainly part of the world's Jewish population, but I am not part of any "Jewry". - Jmabel | Talk 17:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I would also prefer Jewish population to World Jewry. Another benefit of this title is, it makes clear that the article is indeed about population. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 00:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Conflicting Entries

This article ("Jewish population") claims that the number of jews living in the United States is 5,914,682. The article, "Jew", claims that the number of jews in the United States is between 5,300,000 and 5,671,000. Furthermore, "American Jews" claims the number to be 6.4 million. In the interest of consistency, at least two of these articles should be changed.
--137.99.174.125 17:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Argentina?

This page lists Argentina's Jewish population as being close to 600,000 (which far surpasses Canada and is on par with France), while the Jew page lists Argentina's Jewish population at only 185,000-250,000. This is a MAJOR discrepancy between the two; what is going on here? --WassermannNYC 13:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Russia

According to the last Russia's census there are 229,938 Jews in Russia in 2002. So where the figure of 717,101 is taken from? --Koryakov Yuri 09:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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I totally aggre with you. I have been shocked by the imprecision brought on this article concerning Russia. Russia is far to be the third most Jewish populated country. All serious studies show that the 3 first countries are : Israel,United-States, and France.

So I write a warning for the users : Please don't put any number juste because you want it. You may be proud of you country, but don't alter the facts. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedien (talk • contribs) 03:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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See Joshua Rothenberg, "How Many Jews Are There in the Soviet Union?", 29 Jewish Social Studies234 (1967) http://www.scribd.com/doc/22155183/ for a discussion on how difficult it was, in the 1960s, to know even grosso modo the Jewish population of the USSR. But "In summing up our calculations we come to the conclusion that the number of Jews who lived in 1959 in the Soviet Union was at least 2,500,000, and probably between 2,600,000 and 2,650,000".

If one accepts that figure (and depending upon how one defines "Jew", for halachically there's always going to be a problem) population movements and population growth or decline can likely (hopefully?) be dealt with using available information and normal statistical tools.

Andygx (talk) 15:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Brazil

Hey, I have never edited on a wiki talk page before, so if I screw up on etiquette, sorry. Anyway there seems to be a huge discrepancy between the Brazil Jewish population, between graphs 1 (approx 80 000) & 3 (approx 290 000), does anybody have any idea on how to fix this? I believe they both come from primary resources, so I do not know if the numbers can actually be changed in the graphs. Perhaps the less recent one should be removed?~~BCapp

Iran

Maybe it's just my ignorance, but somehow it seems unlikely that there are, or were in 2002, 20,405 Jews in Iran, given the recent statements made by their leader. Would some one verify this?

Logically I would agree, but they do in fact exist, and even have an allocated amount of seats in the government, along with Christians (jews, christians, and muslims are the 3 recognized religions). Bewilders me too...~~BCapp

"There are 8,756 Jews in the country, according to the [2011 Irainian] census. That was fewer than the 20,000 figure previously estimated." http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5juj_KhuuT0v7aaT3PPDmJFbQYrtw?docId=CNG.174be06ad8ee4755308494817ef96f0e.781

http://www.iran-daily.com/1391/5/10/MainPaper/4294/Page/7/MainPaper_4294_7.pdf

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2912998/posts

http://www.khalije-fars.com/en/item/1215

How do I go about changing/fixing this?

@ BCapp,I think Zoroastrians are recognized as well.

Yaakovaryeh (talk) 04:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I haven't looked at these links and statistics into detail, but I believe the reason for this large difference in number was resulted from the methods the surveys used to consider who is a Jew and who isn't. One census may have included even those who were half Jewish, and the other may have used only those who, for example, said they're religiously and ethnically Jewish. I think we should leave it as it is now. Shalom11111 (talk) 22:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The official census of 2011 seems to be a better source: a clearly newer, reliable source compared the 2002 one, and I see no evidence that the methods of the 2011 census were abnormal, just speculation regarding the reason for the difference. Editing accordingly. See also: History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran#Islamic_Republic_.28since_1979.29 and Persian_Jews#Iran which has many dated sources. Jews has just 2 undated, very old sources and a wacky old discussion --{{U|Elvey}} ^(t•c) 21:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Oct 2014 edit warring over this (that is, #Iran)

Various IPs in the same /24 are repeatedly replacing the 9000 figure and citation with 30,000, referencing a recent WashPo article that doesn't even say that there are 30,000; it says, vaguely, and perhaps to avoid conflict, that there are fewer than that. italicized comment added later Look, the 2011 census found under 9000 Jews. The 30,000 figure quoted is clearly a re-reporting of old, out--of-date data; the odds that anything on the order of 21,000 Jews suddenly immigrated TO or were born in Iran is 0. Couls someone please revert? I don't want to edit war, but the IPs won't discuss and keep pushing. Due to comment, I'm going ahead with reversion, because of --{{U|Elvey}} ^(t•c) 20:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. There's not a lot out there that I can see. This source [3] says 20,000-25,000. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:48, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I assume you are responding here to my request on your talk page. What page did you see that estimate? If there is a footnote/endnote, what is it? The census summary report with the 8,756 figure is itself is online. Any objection to my putting it back, as it's based on an actual, official, recent government census) ? --{{U|Elvey}} ^(t•c) 22:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Socking and edit warring is not the answer

I just wanted to put a note here, for folks who are apparently so angry that Wikipedia says there are <9000 jews in Iran that they are opening multiple sockpuppet accounts (all blocked) in order to make it not say that, and folks curious about it. I suggest the socking user find more constructive ways of contributing - there are many. I think the consensus view is that we're not being arbitrary and we're not censoring; we have articles that say it had more Jews and are open to having articles report that Iran has far more Jews than the articles now say it has, provided it is verifiable to a source that trumps the actual, official, recent government census. This has been discussed here and elsewhere, including talk pages linked to from this section (that is, #Iran). The claims of a larger presence could be noted if, for example, there are verifiable sources that say that the numbers do not include significant numbers of Crypto-Jews living in Iran and explain why. --Elvey^(t•c) 17:31, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Accuracy of the data in "Largest Jewish populations by country"

The data in this section contradicts the estimates given in Jew by a factor as high as 3 (e.g. Russia, est. 228k in Jew and 717k in this article). The data from Jew seems reliable; it comes from [4]. But I suspect that the data in this section is highly inaccurate: as mentioned in [5] it's a multiplication of Jewish population percentages from [6] by total population figures. This source is not focused on Jewish population in particular, so I would tend to think that in countries like Russia where Jewish population is less than 1% it could lead to very inaccurate figures...

I'm not sure how to fix it though: the source from Jew does not detail the population in every single country. --Croustix 12:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You can't fix it. In most countries Jews are highly discriminated against and exact figures are almost impossible to attain because they are kept bottled up and totally disconnected from the rest of the world. --Dan 9:25, 10 June 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.23.185 (talk)

by country list out of date

The list claims that the US has the largest Jewish population - which is no longer true: In 2007 the number of Jews in Israel surpassed the number of Jews in the United States. Source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/903585.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.106.108.4 (talk) 21:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

How can the Jewish population in Israel, ranked #1 with 5,600,000 account for 35.7% of the Jewish world population when the #2 ranked US, with a Jewish population of 5,275,000 (a smaller number) account for 38.62%? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.133.35 (talk) 19:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

This article is a disgraceful shambles

I need only point out that it states that Brazil has 295k Jews, 100k more than the 195k listed for Argentina. The latest sources I've seen list Argentina's Jewish population at 225k, and Brazil's at around 120k... but our own History of the Jews in Brazil article says 96k for Brazil, and History of the Jews in Argentina says 185-250k...itself a bizarre range of uncertainty (basically, it says 217,500±32,500... in other words, a 15% rate of uncertainty... like saying there are 6.4M Jews in the US, although we give leeway for a range from 5.44M-7.36M. What? Take a smaller community like Gibraltar, with its 584 Jews, as of 2001, according to History of the Jews in Gibraltar... granted the numbers are far easier to nail down for a much smaller community, but by our "rigors" here, this means when we say there are 584 Jews in Gibraltar, we're accepting that there are really somewhere between 496 and 672 Jews in Gibraltar. That's great if we're looking for wiggle room, but wiggle room in a Wikipedia article is on par with "weasel wording". Find an authoritative source and use it. And use it consistently. Otherwise get rid of the numbers altogether. Tomer^talk 08:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

did you see the history of Jews in Brazil page /

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil that and jewishlibrary give Brazil less than 100,000.Grmike (talk) 10:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)grmike

Metro Areas

I removed this list because there's no source, I question the accuracy of it and think it's dated. The Greater Toronto Areas jewish population is currently higher then the listed London one and most sources google turns up are from a few years ago. --J2000ca (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes in numbers without citations

[7]: How can numbers change with no source cited? - Jmabel | Talk 03:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

percentage

according to the table there are more jews in Israel than the US, but the US has a higher percentage of all Jews than Israel. That doesn't make any sense. If there's a calculation discrepancy it should be noted in the table. 173.49.91.134 (talk) 04:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Another discrepancy: Russia is listed as having 228,000 Jews and 1.5% of all Jews, yet Brazil is listed as having only 96,500 Jews but somehow 1.6% of all Jews. I'd say the percentage for Brazil is definitely a mistake. Can someone please try to find more accurate percentages and numbers for all of these countries? Tad Lincoln (talk) 23:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

feel free to fix that. i edited it very fast not because i have some inside knowledge about the real data but because the numbers before i fixed it were off by a lot especially Argentina and Brazil population. rank number 23 is skipped over can you check what country is missed ?Grmike (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2009 (UTC)grmike

Now it's the reverse. The table shows more Jews in the US than Israel, yet a larger percentage of the world Jewish population in Israel. Obviously that's quite impossible. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 06:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

British Empire

I notice that most Jews those days live in countries that were once dependencies of the British Empire (or in territories taken over by such countries). I wonder how come...? 68.83.179.156 (talk) 05:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Over estimate for US Jewish population

The US Jewish population, according to two surveys--the 2001 NJPS, as well as the AJIS, is significantly lower than the numbers listed here. The numbers are closer between 5.1 million (NJPS) and 5.3 million (AIJS). The discrepancy in numbers is the result of significant double counting and uneven methodology used in the many independent local studies that were added together to get the 6.4 million figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.59.132 (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Indeed true, I correct it. Benjil (talk) 13:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't think of a better source for population statistics than a census. Estimates are great when no one's counted but here we have a count. Sol (talk) 23:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Please read about this number before - there has been many double counting and methodology problems and I don't even speak about the definition of Jewishness. The Sergio Dellapergola report is the most respected source for Jewish demography, not an American census. Benjil (talk) 05:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

The current citation for the Netherlands is just a link to http://www.nidi.knaw.nl/web/html/public/demos/dm01091.html. This appears to be just a "front page" for the Netherlands Interdisciplinary Demographics Institute, and says nothing about Jewish population. - Jmabel | Talk 04:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Ethiopia

where are Ethiopians there are 3 millions of them--Alismani (talk) 07:48, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Thewikiedia article on Beta Israel gives 4,000 as the number of Ethiopian Jews (in a restricted sense) in Ethiopia. THis contrasts with the 1,000 in our article here.Kdammers (talk) 10:03, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

unreliable & unsourced series of edits

Please check these changes--JimWae (talk) 23:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Colombia does not appear in first table of population

The first table puts Denmark and Azerbaijan in positions 32 and 33, however, according to the data on the bottom Colombia has 6,436 which places it on the 32 position right after Panama in the initial table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.3.193.227 (talk) 16:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sri Lanka - Three Jews?

Just reading this out of curiosity, and I found the notation that there are three Jews in Sri Lanka. I wasn't able to find a citation for that, and couldn't find any support in a (quick) Google search. Does anyone know where this information came from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.18.53.215 (talk) 08:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Are people of English ancestry Anglicans?

The "official data" regarding Jews in the U.S. actually is a count of people living in the U.S. who describe themselves as being of Israeli ancestry. I don't think that could rationally be called a count of Jews any more than you can count Catholics by how many describe themselves as being of Vatican ancestry. ‎ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.253.232.72 (talk)

United Kingdom Data should link to the census

The 'official figures' section for UK data links to the number of Israelis - the official government census data should be used instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aapter (talk • contribs) 11:21, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

India

There is a very large community of Jews in India albeit it having lost its former glory.Someone should add India to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.219.224.55 (talk) 15:30, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Racist Reporting?

One of the websites used to cite the number of Jews living in the United States is "Unity of Nobility" a clearly anti-Semitic and "pro-white European" website. I wholeheartedly disagree with the content of the site, but more importantly I don't believe it should be cited when writing an encyclopedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.180.72 (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

USA Census

Based on the US Government census 2011 the Jewish population in the USA is 6,544,000 so I changed it to that number is it is probably the best source out of many sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.231.209 (talk) 04:29, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, good catch. I accidentally reverted you, but has reinserted your version as it corresponds to the source.Jeppiz (talk) 10:29, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

References

USA Census can't be accurate

The enlarged Jewish population may be 6.5 million, but there is no way there are that many Jews in the US. For one, if there are indeed 6.5 million Jews in the US and another 6 million in Israel, that would mean that 12.5 out of the 13 million Jews in the world live in either then US or Israel. What about the 500,000 Jews in France, 300,000 in Canada, the 260,000 in Britain, 205,000 in Russia, 180,000 in Argentina, and so on?

Aside from that, the census may have counted the enlarged Jewish population (notice that the sources for core and enlarged populations are from totally different site), but I this source, which puts the core population at 5,425,000, is a better estimate.--RM (Be my friend) 20:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Poland

Ok, we all know what happened in WWII. But is it possible that in Poland, with 38,500,000 people, there are no Jews left? Not even a few thousand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.108.212.170 (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand

Why isn't New Zealand on this list? According to the article History of the Jews in New Zealand, there are thousands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.107.243 (talk) 02:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Syria

According to this jewish article there are about 50 jews living in Damascus currently. There is also no proof that all jews left Syria, I would assume that this was never exactly documented. http://www.vosizneias.com/140370/2013/09/01/damascus-amid-civil-war-syrias-remaining-jews-to-celebrate-high-holy-days/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.8.235.103 (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem with chart

I added more sources and organized the colums, but there seems to be a problem displaying the chart. For some reason, Israel ended up alone on the right side. If anyone knows how to fix this, please do so because I wasn't able to. Thanks, Shalom11111 (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I see that someone fixed it, good. I just made some major improvements to the article: I removed the "rank" section as it caused mess and because the exact number of Jews in every country is impossible to determine and is changing every year. I also put all the empty URL links into the proper form, and removed repeating sources as well as external links which weren't directly related to the article. The article is still missing some counties and needs additional citation for verification, but it looks much better though. Shalom11111 (talk) 12:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

What about other Jewish Groups claiming affiliation with Israelites?

There are dozens of groups throughout the world which claim they're Jews. Some of them even had their Jewish connection verified by DNA tests, and I think their number adds up to about a million overall. Should we include them in the article, and if so, how exactly? Comments are welcomed. -Shalom11111 (talk) 15:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

0.2 vs 0.02

There is an 'edit-war' going on disputing if it is 0.2% or 0.02% of the world's population. (t) Josve05a (c) 02:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up. The current figure is obviously 0.2%, it's simple math. Will fix this now... Shalom11111 (talk) 11:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether the math is correct, what matters is citation from a reliable source. Please find an RS that lists .2%, because I found the Random House historical book Jews and Power that mentions .02% as the correct figure. That is one of two current references supporting that sentence on the article.--ɱ (talk) 14:32, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I don't know where it says this wrong figure it in the book you're talking about, but mistakes happen. Having accepted your challenge, here are various reliable sources that say Jews make up 0.2% of the world's population:

• A Ynet article - [8]
• The Jewish Press article - [9]
• A Jewish News One video - [10]
• A Haaretz article - [11]
• And lastly, this report.

Assuming there are 7,000,000,000 people in the world, of which 14,000,000 are Jewish, the rest can simply be done in the head or using a calculator. -Shalom11111 (talk) 15:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Something else I wanted to raise here... Recently, User:Halma10 completely transformed the article, changing the lead section, removing tens of sources, and adding new sections to the chart. First of all, I really do appreciate Halma10's effort. But I think we should rely on more than one source, and also I'm not sure where some of the "law of return" numbers came from, and if they're relevant at all. What do you guys think of the current version, as opposed to the previous one? Thanks, -Shalom11111 (talk) 15:53, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

First off, I specified page 188 of that book. The book is freely available on Google Books and other online sources. You can view the information easily there. Secondly, the book appears to be an unbiased historical record published by a reliable and world-known source. Your links are all internet news and video sites, with information from Jewish and/or Israeli sources, except for the last one, which provides no information on the author, publisher, publication date, source of data, or anything relevant to assessing the reliability of the information or source. So when relying upon sources, clearly the .02 fact appears to be backed by a much better source. Thirdly, I strongly support Halma10's edits on cleanup and preventing vandalism and other changes. Earlier, the chart was too volatile, with editors and IPs changing data very frequently, often putting countries out of order or messing up the formatting of the template. With Halma10's edits, the chart will be much more stable, as it relies on a single comprehensive and reliable source with complete data. The "law of return" numbers appear to come from that same source, and are relevant as a method of assessing the number of Jews in a country.--ɱ (talk) 17:16, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I find it ironic that we're still having an argument about this figure. Before you look at the large collection of books which verify "my" number, if we look at the very book you used (page 188 isn't viewable for me), we see on page 271 that it says there are 2 Jews per a population of 1,000, which equals 0.2% of 100...

I mean, if that book accidentally claimed that there are actually 140 million Jews in the world, would you insist we should keep it in the article? Anyway, in other books I searched I found the 0.2% figure, here's a collection of them: [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]. -Shalom11111 (talk) 21:30, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Also, I like the current version of the article, but think it's important to provide as many reliable sources from different independent causes as possible. I'll not touch the chart structure/organization, but will see how I can bring some of these good sources back. -Shalom11111 (talk) 21:34, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead. Just make sure to change the citations to that sentence to reflect the changed information. I'd cite at least two of the above links.--ɱ (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

pakistan

i am pretty sure no sane jew lives in pakistan. what are you sources for this country?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.9.141 (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2014

 Done--ɱ (talk) 04:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Definition of "core Jewish population"

The article provides none. Is it defined as people of full Jewish descent, people of Jewish matrilineal descent, people of more than half Jewish descent? Does it exclude Jews who have converted to another religion and/or are non-observant? 213.109.230.96 (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Usually it describes people with at least one Jewish parent and who describe themselves as fully Jewish. It depends on the study.Benjil (talk) 14:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Misleading Picture

Does the picture (of jews per country) seem objective to anyone? the jews are 0.2% of the world population. Even the picture of Islam per country doesn't seem so emphasize, and they 20% of the world's population.

You're right, the photo does look very objective. It looks factual, doesn't appear to be biased towards or against any one group or organization, and doesn't look like it's influenced by personal feelings or opinions.--ɱ (talk) 03:08, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

1. I mean it doesn't look objective at all. A group of 15 M present in the picture like they're a quarter of the world. There's no even explanation how amount each coloring represent. For example - dark blue stands for..? and light blue? (does it stand for 5% of the population? or 10%?.. etc.). It's just so unclear and obscure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.117.142.136 (talk) 01:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

2. There are a lot of discrepancies in the article. In China there are "3,000 jews" which is "0.000%" of the population. and yet, China is colored (in the picture) with blue. This picture is just wrong, doesn't make any of sense and incompatible to the article itself.

The picture presents the repartition of the Jewish population relative to itself not to world population. The idea is to see where are the countries with the most Jews, not to compare with the rest of the world. Maybe some things can be corrected but that's all. Benjil (talk) 08:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

So it's supposed to be written below the picture, Doesn't it? because it's unclear. Anyhow, China been colored still incorrect (and that's only the mistakes I noticed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.117.142.136 (talk) 03:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

European union

Why are the populations in countries already included in the European Union, like France and the UK, also given? Isn't this counting the population of France and the UK (and others listed separately),twice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 (talk) 03:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

WRONG PICTURE

The picture is still misleading. The jews are less than half a percent of the world (!) and they presented as a half of the world. China and India shouldn't be colored according to the article itself. and of course- meaningless picture without a key or any explanation about the colors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.117.142.136 (talk) 13:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Table total less than its sum

Adding up all the countries listed in the main table (less the European Union) produces a count of 15.33 mil versus 13.86 mil at the top of the table.

It seems we're giving high end estimates for the countries (particularly the US) but a low end estimate for the sum. We should do one or the other not both and ideally the total of the table should match the sum of its parts. Dontreadalone (talk) 19:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Crucial missing information: What is being counted?

This article makes reference to varying definitions of who is a Jew, particularly in the section Debate over American numbers.

But nowhere does it actually describe what definition or definitions of Jew are being used to obtain the numbers that are displayed.

There are many possible definitions, most of which are mentioned in the Wikipedia article Who is a Jew. (In my opinion, there is, unfortunately, no single "correct" definition.)

But for this article to be at all meaningful, it requires a description of what definition(s) of the word "Jew' are being used to obtain the numbers presented.

Otherwise the numbers are meaningless.Daqu (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

The most important source of data in here is the second reference, "World Jewish Population, 2013." Please have a look through for information on data sources: http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/downloadFile.cfm?FileID=3113. Most of it is census data, which will vary somewhat from country to country. We can quote a few lines on its methodology for the article if you like.

For survey purposes, most definitions would look something like the "Standard Jewish Definition," developed in Canada. A Jew is one of the following:

• Jewish by religion and ethnicity.
• Jewish by religion and having another ethnicity.
• Having no religious affiliation and Jewish by ethnicity. Dontreadalone (talk) 00:16, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

To clarify further, go to page 10 of that link I provided and start reading from "Definitions" on down. Dontreadalone (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Wow, tthanks, Dontreadalaone. Interesting. And also very complicated! My main confusion now is that both religion and ethnicity are subject to multiple interpretations. (Years ago I walked into a cafeteria-style Jewish restaurant in the Lower East Side of New York City. As I stood trying to decide what to order, the server asked me if I was Jewish, and I said Yes. He then asked a series of questions about my degree of observance (of mainly orthodox traditions). When I apparently did not answer enough of them the way he would have liked, he looked at me with a sneer of contempt and declared: "You're not Jewish!")

But back to the subject at hand: Is ethnicity determined purely by matrineal descent? If not, then what? And as my anecdote needlessly illustrates, there are all degrees of being religious, vis-à-vis Judaism, so what "counts" ? Or is it largely a question of self-identication? (I regret that I don't have the time to read and fully absorb everything in the reference you gave on the subject.)

Based on the three (overlapping) categories of Jewishness you mentioned, the ideal "count" of Jews would list the counts of each category, and also the combined count. Boy, is this ever complicated. But unavoidably so.Daqu (talk) 05:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Daqu. As far as the main source for this article goes it is, in fact, based on self-definition. I have updated the page with the following description from the DellaPergola source. Jews are "all persons who, when asked in a socio-demographic survey, identify themselves as Jews; or who are identified as Jews by a respondent in the same household, and do not have another monotheistic religion."

Naturally our source didn't literally do a global survey employing this definition. Rather they're relying on census data with this definition in mind. Some censuses might ask about ethnicity, some about religion, and some both. The US Census Bureau, famously, is prohibited from mandating a question about religious affiliation. So unfortunately there's no way we're going to get a list for each category.

Your anecdote reminds of a conversation I had at the pub with a (non-Jewish) friend recently. He insisted that Jews are restricted to those practicing the religion and everyone else doesn't count. To each their own, I guess.

As for me, I like the Canadian definition. It's precise but not narrow. Dontreadalone (talk) 02:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

About counting the number of Jews in France

In France a law voted in 1872 forbids to ask people about their religion during census. It was reaffirmed with the law of january 6th, 1972 : "«Il est interdit de collecter ou de traiter des données à caractère personnel qui font apparaître, directement ou indirectement, les origines raciales ou ethniques, les opinions politiques, philosophiques ou religieuses...» (article 8) (source : Le Figaro in the article Comment est évalué le nombre de musulmans dating from april 7th, 2011, http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2011/04/05/01016-20110405ARTFIG00599-france-comment-est-evalue-le-nombre-de-musulmans.php).

As a consequence we don't know exctly how many jews we have in France. In this page dedicated to the jews around the world, you say that there are just under 500,000 jews in France and the source that you cite (an article from RFI english dating from september 2014) says so (480,000). I found another article on the RFI website dating from the day after the date of your source that says that "500,000 to 600,000 jews are living in France" ("500.000 à 600.000 juifs vivent en France") (source : http://www.rfi.fr/france/20140907-juifs-france-emigrent-masse-vers-israel/). Lastly there is on JSS news an article dating from january 2014 which last sentence says that "the jewish state wants to attract 10% of the population of jews of France (that is to say 40,000 persons) by the end of 2017" ("L’Etat Juif compte attirer 10% de la population juive de France (soit 40.000 personnes) d’ici 2017") (source : http://jssnews.com/2014/01/19/selon-le-lobby-francais-de-la-knesset-60-des-juifs-de-france-envisagent-lalyah/). This means that there could be 400,000 jews in France.

Considering the laws that I cited and the multiple sources that let us think that there are no possible way to affirm that a little less than 500,000 jews live in France, why not just write in the article that we can't know how many jews are living in France because of those laws (and also considering that the definition of who is a jew is so unclear) and that we can only provide an idea : there could be between 400,000 and 600,000 jews in France.

Thank you for reading me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.197.238.146 (talk) 10:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

jssnews.com is not a reliable source. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't change what I say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.197.238.146 (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Of course it change it. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Even the CRIF (Conseil représentatif des institutions juives de France), which is a reliable source in my opinion, doesn't provide a precise number. Its estimations are between "530,000 and 550,000" jews in France (source : http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/societe/article/la-communaute-juive-de-france-compte-550-000-personnes-dont-25-000-toulouse-125573). Our laws don't allow us to count people depending on their religion. I think it would be more honest to give a range instead of a precise number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.197.238.146 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I edited the article. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Numbers in table

I just updated the body with the the latest DellaPergola from 2014 and was going to slog through the table. I think, as much as possible, we should rely on the same bedrock source for core and enlarged population. But how much do we need? Is the fourth column (enlarged population as % of country) really necessary? And do we really need to go to go to the tenth decimal place or whatever it is we're doing now? Dontreadalone (talk) 23:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Nobody replying to me here but I'll keep trying. What do people thinking of changing the percentages of country population to "One Jew per X number"? Would that be more intuitive? Dontreadalone (talk) 04:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you. I am not sure even the "enlarged" Jewish numbers need to be here since they count people who are not Jewish by any definition. Benjil (talk) 05:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Benji. I'm a little wary of the enlarged numbers too as some of them seem plucked out of thin air and as you say fall outside Jewish definitions. Our sources refer to them, however, so I hesitate to remove completely. I'm going to convert those long percentages into "1 out of ####" numbers when I have some spare time unless anyone else objects. Dontreadalone (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

The "enlarged population" includes in fact people who would be eligible to the law of return, but that does not make them Jews and anyway, unless some cataclysmic planetary event, most of them would not make alyah, there is no reason in the world to count them. Benjil (talk) 05:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

I liken the enlarged population to the extended numbers we give on a number of ethnic people pages. It's somewhat imprecise but not meaningless. Dontreadalone (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Pakistan and Spain

As far as is known to Jewish institutions and demographers there are no Jews in Pakistan and certainly not 1500. A single source from some obscure newspaper is not enough to include this number here, we should remove it or find another more detailed source. Benjil (talk) 04:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I have found two sources claiming there are about 900 registered jewish voters in Pakistan. Both are citing NADRA figures and are in reputable (non obscure) media in the country. It is a figure which surprises me since there are other sources discussing the last jew in Pakistan story... It is a mystery but considering that Karachi is a huge city with a very recent jewish history, that it is very cosmopolitan and the safest place in the country for religious minorities (even though overall it is a very unsafe city) - I would not brush this aside as untrue. http://www.dawn.com/news/796356/minorities-votes-may-decide-fate-of-96-constituencies http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/opinion/13-Nov-2015/the-jews-of-pakistan Asilah1981 (talk) 11:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

There are no 40,000 Jews in Spain. You provided no credible source but a BBC article based on nothing and an obscure Jewish site with also no source to its claim. The former number that you erased is based on demographic research notably by Sergio Della Pergola. Until you have a serious source for your affirmations you will not change the figures again. Benjil (talk) 12:29, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

The FCJE is the official entity which represents the Jewish community in Spain in relations with the state institutions. Various sources, from the FCJE, to the Israeli embassy, to all Spanish media give a figure of around 40,000. Please desist from this ridiculous behavior. I can only assume you do not speak Spanish, have never been to Spain, know no jews in Spain and evidently know nothing at all about the jewish community in Spain if you think the FCJE is "an obscure" institution. I can only continue to revert your deletion of sources and, in the meantime, find and add more sources to protect this page from your edit warring. Thank you.Asilah1981 (talk) 12:45, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Sources saying 40,000 Jews in Spain

• http://www.rhodesjewishmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/LA-Presentation-Law-Spanish-citizenship-Sephardim.pdf
• https://books.google.es/books?id=LRJEAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA504&lpg=PA504&dq=fcje+40,000&source=bl&ots=Qu96p9k00A&sig=6UfZa02PxkUWZ9RcOXHhCIN6x8M&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjopJfjtuPLAhUFWBoKHUO1BnkQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=40%2C000&f=false
• http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11687465/Five-centuries-after-expulsion-at-pain-of-death-Spain-grants-citizenship-to-Sephardic-Jews.html
• https://movementagainstintolerance.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/spanish-jews-denounce-the-resurgence-of-the-anti-semetic-thought/
• http://www.libertaddigital.com/sociedad/2011-09-04/los-40000-judios-espanoles-celebran-su-dia-de-puertas-abiertas-1276434333/
• http://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias/2013/03/130307_espana_judios_invitan_lf
• http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/internacional/noticias/3349403/09/11/Los-casi-40000-judios-espanoles-dan-a-conocer-su-patrimonio-.html
• http://contactohoy.com.mx/cerca-de-40000-personas-celebran-en-espana-el-ano-nuevo-judio

I could go on and on.... There is also a bunch of sources estimating 50,000 which I could also compile a list of like these ones:

• http://www.europapress.es/sociedad/noticia-50000-judios-espana-celebran-hoy-fiesta-januca-culminara-dia-encendido-luces-20131127162709.html
• http://www.larazon.es/historico/5466-unos-50-000-judios-residentes-en-espana-reciben-el-nuevo-ano-PLLA_RAZON_400908#.Ttt17HUwPqtbCyo
• http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2014/06/06/actualidad/1402043523_305436.html (NOTE HERE IT SAYS IN 2014 THERE ARE AROUND 50,000 REGISTERED JEWS WITH THE FCJE
• http://www.semana.com/nacion/articulo/espana-quiere-otorgar-la-ciudadania-los-judios-sefardies/383116-3

But I think I made my point. Asilah1981 (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

I am not sure you understand what a source is. Newspaper articles are not. We need an academic sources, not vague claims stemming from nothing but wishful thinking. Every Jewish community inflates its numbers, it's good politics, but not serious. You did not provide any source for the 40,000 figure, just quotes. That's not the same thing. From which poll or study does it come from ? On the opposite the 12,000 number is sourced and based on research. Therefore, you will now stop to change the article until you bring a real source. If you do, I will be very happy to update the figure myself. Benjil (talk) 13:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Benjil, I am reverting you since you are considering the official numbers from the Spanish jewish community and dozens and dozens of sources unreliable. We can take this to arbitration right now. Would like to see anyone support your quite surreal position. Is this sergio guy your dad or something? There are now over 40,000 REGISTERED JEWISH MEMBERS OF THE FCJE IN SPAIN. What part don't you get? Asilah1981 (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

@Asilah1981: This is the English language Wikipedia. I think we have the right to insist on references that are in English. If you can provide those, it will go further in supporting your case. Akld guy (talk) 14:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Akld guy Thanks, do note that the first four sources I provide above are in the English language.Asilah1981 (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

@Asilah1981: That is so, but the three references you provided in the article are in Spanish and you haven't yet provided one in English. Akld guy (talk) 14:25, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

• (1) There is no requirement that a source must be in English. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources. (2) Asilah/Benjil have been engaged in an edit war over this issue. Edit wars do not work to resolve disputes. It appears the edit war has at least temporarily stopped. If it resumes, blocks may be in order. (3) The request for arbitration needs to be retracted, and steps of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution need to be followed. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:48, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Akld guy, I have added sources in English as requested and Hammersoft I am not an expert wikipedian, I have no idea how to retract an arbitration request. Ill do so if you explain how. Asilah1981 (talk) 14:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

• I think you can do so by adding an additional line in your statement, a separate paragraph, indicating your withdrawal of the request. The clerks should take care of it. You may wish to directly inform Benjil as well. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Hammersoft Done! ThxAsilah1981 (talk) 16:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Benjil Just to give you an idea of why I think your source is very much mistaken: If you go to the national statistcal registry in Spain (www.ine.es), where you find all names of people born and residing permanently in Spain (excluding surnames with less than 50 people), you can look at surnames which are exclusively jewish: There are around 550 people with first surname LEVY (900 if we include second surname) residing in Spain. Another 100 with the alternative spelling Leví as first surname. There are 548 people with the first surname Cohen (900 including second surname. 337 people with first surname Chocrón (600 including second surname), there are another 120 with first surname Benhamu, another 120 first surname Benarroch (double with second name). I could go on but these surnames are exclusively jewish/sephardic/moroccan. Think of all the jewish people who are the majority having regular Spanish surnames, or, alternatively, ashkenazi surnames (the latter being mainly descendants of European and Argentine immigrants). A figure of 14,000 just does not seem plausible regardless of the position of the Jewish Federation of Spain. I think it is also disrespectful to brush off their claims as wanting to inflate numbers. Frankly, I don't see why Spain's jewish population would want to exaggerate their numbers, considering their history. Are you implying they are hunting for subsidies? I would concede one thing, the Jewish population has probably fallen as a result of the 2008-2015 economic crisis, particularly as it had grown significantly in the 90s and early 2000s due to the arrival of ashkenazi argentines. A significant proportion of these have returned to Argentina. If you use logic you will see that Mr. Sergio Della Pergolla is clearly mistaken Benjil . Asilah1981 (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Antisemitic spam edit

As I write this, many parts of the population table read "dead" or "fucker". It appears an anti-Semite has attacked the page since most of the "dead" listings are for nations with large Jewish populations. Will someone with more knowledge on this topic than me please correct the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.70.124 (talk)

This article is designed to be based on one single source

Hence the above edit warring, where a user considered all sources but the one source which this article reflects to be illegtimate. The way it is written and designed makes using alternative and perfectly valid sources impossible. The concept of "enlarged jewish populations" is strange and the idea of a single author. It should be eliminated. Please see below https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_with_a_single_source Asilah1981 (talk) 15:29, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it should be eliminated. In the past hour or two, an editor has increased the figure for Italy from 40,000 to 45,000 on the basis of an Italian-language reference. That's possibly OK, although I don't read Italian and can't confirm that the reference is correct. What concerns me is that he/she has used synthesis to also increase by 5,000 the figures for "World" and "European Union". That makes the statement above the table that the figures are based on DellaPergola erroneous. Not only that, but it's possible that this is not the first time this kind of synthesis has been used to inflate DellaPergola's figures. What do we do about this? Akld guy (talk) 01:55, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Akld guy i recommend we choose one figure from della pergola, either core or enlarged and erase the other one and have his figures as one source of a range provided by other sources. Otherwise this article will become increasingly confusing and contradictory.Asilah1981 (talk) 08:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Almost complete lack of sources

A large section of this article is taken up by what is now an exercise in original research, a table of the claimed Jewish population in different countries, but an almost complete lack of sources for those claims. There are three columns with population numbers. There is not one country for which all three are sourced. For most countries, nothing is sourced. I've tagged the article for original research, and tagged the section with the table. Let's hope we can find sources. If not, I'll remove those population numbers that lack sources as they violate WP:OR. This article used to have a source and the text still claims so (Unless otherwise indicated, core and enlarged population numbers are taken from DellaPergola's chapter "World Jewish Population" of the American Jewish Year Book of 2014.[2] Where other credible sources present competing numbers these are presented with a range and citation. DellaPergola's population figures are primarily based on national censuses combined with trend analysis.) but the introduction of several other sources make this obsolete. If we add sources for some countries, we need to do it for all. In the present format, it looks as if most of it is simply unsourced, and numbers seem to be changed at random by individual users. Jeppiz (talk) 21:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

This is similar to my complaint above.Asilah1981 (talk) 23:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

An editor recently insisted on increasing the 'Enlarged Jewish Population' for Italy by 5,000 and eventually provided what looks like a reliable source. But he/she then went further and increased the 'World' and 'European Union' figures by the same amount. This is a problem. Unsourced entries are either based on DellaPergola, or they are not. They should not be the result of synthesis based on a revised figure elsewhere. Does anybody have access to DellaPergola's 2014 edition? Akld guy (talk) 23:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Akld guyThe solution is not basing the article on delaperga nor using his terminology (such as enlarged). Just give a minimum and maximum and various sources for each entry. I would start by removing the entire enlarged column.Asilah1981 (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Did you read the accompanying section? "Unless otherwise indicated, core and enlarged population numbers are taken from DellaPergola's chapter "World Jewish Population" of the American Jewish Year Book of 2014. Where other credible sources present competing numbers these are presented with a range and citation."

Virtually everything in this article is sourced. I'm removing the tags. That doesn't mean that this annoying vandalism hasn't crept into certain numbers but there's nothing OR about the overall structure of it. Dontreadalone (talk) 21:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Extra note: the 2015 edition has just been made available so I will be updating the table again just as last year. Dontreadalone (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

@Dontreadalone: I have reverted the premature removal of the Original research tag. It should stay until the 2015 DellaPergola figures are entered. Akld guy (talk) 23:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, we need a cite beside every number? Fine, but this is silly. There is nothing wrong with the table beyond stray vandalism and it is not OR. I spent hours on it last summer. What would be nice is if we could update it once a year and then lock it. Dontreadalone (talk) 03:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I've created an excel comparison between my last edit in July last year and the current table and they are substantially the same. This table is fine and the OR tag doesn't strike me as necessary although we can leave it in place until this year's edits are made.

Can we agree to a single stable edit for the table that we revert back to over the course of a year? This strikes me as simplest. We can eliminate competing ranges altogether and simply present DellaPergola as the only word if that's easier. I'm also agnostic as to whether we need the enlarged figures. Dontreadalone (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Percentage of population

The percentage of jewish population should be added. Different languages Wikipedias have it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.138.244.21 (talk) 04:23, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Delapergolla??

This article seems to have been created purely for one source. I note other sources with varying figures are systematically deleted. I think this is very much contrary to Wikipedia policy. This article should be revamped, particularly the introductory section which gives only one source as the "official" or "valid" one.Asilah1981 (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, in 'Countries and territories', it does say "Unless otherwise indicated, core and enlarged population numbers are taken from DellaPergola's chapter "World Jewish Population" of the American Jewish Year Book of 2014." So, other sources are acceptable, with DellaPergola as the fall-back if no such data is available. Akld guy (talk) 21:20, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Akld guy Sure, although I note that non-Dellapergola sources have been gradually deleted over the past month or two, with figures only reflecting this one source. I personally think the "enlarged" concept is odd and is the product of one single source. It makes contrasting with other sources difficult. Dellapergola figures should be presented as a range, rather than having their own two columns.Asilah1981 (talk) 16:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Double Standards when it comes to jews

Why the map of jews per country doesn't based on their percentage of the population like those of Islam and Christianity? Also, there is no legend. Very strange. Against Wiki policy. And only when it comes to jews. (relevant answers only, thank you) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.138.239.112 (talk)

Image is digrace to wikipedia

false image. Mexico, Morocco, Egypt, China and India shouldn't be colored at all. The jews should be presented as percentage of the total population just like in "Islam per country". There was no legend. Such a biased and false map. Disgrace to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.138.239.112 (talk)

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Strange legend and misleading picture- Jewish are overrepresented

Why is the Jewish population detailed by the 0.1%? Why isn't it like "Islam Per Country" when the lightest color is for 0-10% of the population? In this picture Jewish are seemed way larger than they really are. I hope this is not the intention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.29.89.15 (talk) 07:16, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

The map is also using different counting standards for different countries - it should not be included.Avaya1 (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Ideas for improving this article

I edit this article annually and have contributed the majority of the content. I just started in on it tonight but thought I would run a couple of ideas by talk before proceeding further. I have read over some of the issues raised over the last couple of years and I think there are some fair points.

1. Should we explicitly mention DellaPergola in the intro? Maybe in second sentence after the main global number? He looms large over this article because he is unquestionably the main source on this topic. Other reliable sources (particularly newspapers) typically repeat his numbers verbatim. Perhaps we should tell the reader this immediately? Or a footnote?

2. Map. I actually agree with previous comments that the current map is pointless. I don't think there is any requirement to mimic Christianity and Islam and maybe we could do something unique here. What about a circle based graph that illustrates the proportions by country?

3. The table. Oh dammit, I spent so much time on this only to have the OR tag slapped on the article. It is NOT OR. It is based on DellaPergola 2014 quite clearly, as the explanation at the top of the section says. The problem is one country here or there gets edited and then the whole thing looks slightly suspicious. My idea was to use DellaPergola as a base and other estimates on an as needed basis where local estimates seem worthwhile (eg. see footnote on Poland). But how do we police that? Revert back to an agreed upon version over every twelve months? I don't know. This is what I've never been able to figure out in looking over this page.

I have other comments but one thing at a time.

Dontreadalone (talk) 04:14, 30 September 2017 (UTC) It has too much reliable on DellaPergola, it writes too definitively, and it also uses different counting standards for different countries. For example, self-identifying census in one, and estimates in another. There are also differences in the way the census identifies people - for example, in Russia it requires defining your nationality, whereas in America it's a religious question. Avaya1 (talk) 10:54, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Mobile section rendering

Hi! I noticed that, on mobile, the See also, Notes, References, and External links sections appear as subsections of the Countries and territories section. (I tried to remedy this in this edit; however, that edit didn't fix the problem, so I reverted it in this edit.) If anyone else can figure out what's causing these sections to render incorrectly or how to make them render correctly, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:04, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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Morocco

The number here for Morocco is about thrice that given in the article on Morocoan Jews.Kdammers (talk) 08:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Cite rescue

this is the reference #1 rescued from old revision: --תנא קמא (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

References

@Widr: you are honored to enter it... --תנא קמא (talk) 18:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

New graph

I've just noticed that the new graph being added here is suffering from the same problems as the one being added to List of countries and dependencies by population so I've removed it here as well. While the actual content of the graphs is different, the problems are identical. To avoid disjointed discussion, I suggest that we maintain a single discussion at Talk:List of countries and dependencies by population#New graph. There we can, hopefully, resolve the issues with Guarapiranga's graphs and apply the same changes to both. Pinging Akld guy as the editor opposing the graph here to alert him to the discussion. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I have this page in my watchlist so nobody need ping. Akld guy (talk) 08:40, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Look, I was just trying to add a map where none was provided using the data in the article, and with a Wikipedia Template everyone can edit and keep up-to-date. If you don't like the way I configured the map, why don't you get off your high horse of "not good enough", and help improve it? Move things forward, not backwards.

Either war, screw this, I don't care. Nothing in it for me. — Guarapiranga (talk) 04:08, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Please see my reply at Talk:List of countries and dependencies by population#New graph. Thank you. -- Begoon 04:38, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Weird Table

Why there's no a column of the percentage by country? (instead of "per 1000 people")

Because such a percentage is meaningless in every country – far less than 1% – except for United States (2%) and Israel (around 75%).--FocusinJabotito (talk) 18:24, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Where's that column?

The text refers to a 'population per Jewish person' column. There is no such column. I guess this refers to the column for number of Jews per 1000 people in the population. If so, the text should use the exact title rather than re-name it sandpit it in quotation marks. Kdammers (talk) 15:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Migrated across from List of urban areas by Jewish population

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Qırmızı Qəsəbə Qırmızı Qəsəbə Is 100% Jewish. Shouldn't it be on top of the percntage table? 2601:14F:4403:3000:835:ECE1:859E:7545 (talk) 07:14, 18 April 2017 (UTC) Louisville, KY Louisville should be added in the 79th spot in: Jewish population by metropolitan areas. According to the website https://jewishlouisville.org/community/louisvilles-jewish-community/ Louisville's Jewish population is around 8,500. Louisville even boasts a Jewish Hospital, which many cities much larger do not have. ~~cardcats~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cardcats (talk • contribs) 22:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC) Squirrel Hill If Saint-Laurent is going to be included, then surely Squirrel Hill in Pittsburgh should. Our very own Wikipedia states that it is 40% Jewish. Squirrel_Hill#Jewish_community — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.147.28.1 (talk) 18:15, 30 August 2011 (UTC) Boca Raton, Florida is in the Miami Metro Area. The percentage and total figures should be swapped. The total figures give a better sense of where the largest Jewish communities in the world are. Additionally, The percentage figures are misleading in that they include suburbs and small towns in the UK and Canada, but not the US. In terms of percentages, suburbs such as Newton, MA and New Rochelle, NY would likely have percentages that would make this list. (And the Hasidic enclaves of New Square and Kiryas Joel, NY would rank near the top of the list.)Mhpine 04:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Feel free to add those cities to the list if you have the stats. MTLskyline (talk) 05:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC) I doubt the thoroughness even of the total numbers listed below. For example, the Atlanta metropolitan region now reportedly has a Jewish population well over 100,000, although it appears nowhere on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.152.10 (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Same goes to the lack of mention of the Coachella Valley, California where the resort cities of Palm Springs and Palm Desert have large active Jewish communities. An estimated 20,000 Jews live in the area, (History of the Jews in the U.S. - Palm Springs, California) but other statistics find up to a quarter of Palm Desert's residents are Jewish and the United Jewish Congress of the Desert represented the influence of local Jews from celebrities to businessmen to political figures have in the California desert since the 1930's. The Palm Springs area would ranked 60th on the list, but I cannot find the proper sources to include them. Mike D 26 (talk) 00:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC) 120,000 Jews in La Paz, Bolivia? No way! How can this be? Something's wrong with this table and this article in general just seems weird to me. Songflower (talk) 08:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC) OK, I googled it. This site: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Bolivia.html says there are SIX HUNDRED JEWS in all of Bolivia. Now, that makes me think even more that a lot of the other numbers on this page are probably miles off as well! Songflower (talk) 08:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC) The Andean region of South America has 100 to 120,000 Jews, the total number from the countries of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru and Chile where the total Jewish population is 35 to 50,000 alone. The B'nai Moshe of Peru are Incan Jews or converted indigenous Peruvians practiced the Jewish faith. The Andean region along with the Southern Cone of South America (i.e. Argentina home to about 200,000 Jews, Uruguay and Southern Brazil) ranked 9th and 10th largest Jewish communities in the world respectively. Mike D 26 (talk) 00:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Vaughan The "Jewish population outside Israel per cities and city areas in percentages" sections does not include Vaughan even though it's article seems to show a higher percentage than the lower ones on the chart. Is this a mistake? --Yair rand (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC) Fixed, thank you! Breein1007 (talk) 02:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC) Washington DC The Washington, DC area (i.e. Maryland and Northern Virginia) has 215,000 Jews according to the latest study done in 2003. The data sets are way off in this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.78.28 (talk) 04:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC) New demographic data for 2017 is now available (https://www.shalomdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/DCJewishCommunityStudy021118.pdf), and so the article needs to be updated accordingly. One-Off Contributor (talk) 20:59, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Manchester,UK The old, original population did live in inner city Manchester. The vast majority of the people now live in parts of Salford and in Prestwich and Whitefield, which ARE part of Greater Manchester, but NOT part of the city of Manchester itself. There does remain a number of people, residing within those city's boundaries. The main area of Jewish population does, however, form a continuous urban area, straggling three local authority areas. For this reason, I would urge a change to Greater Manchester within the list. Otherwise you would have a list including Manchester, Salford and Bury Metro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.182.33 (talk) 14:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Also, re above, we are told it is 40,000 now, and the fastest growing community in Europe. 30,000? No way!!!! - signed by anon IP When was the latest census of the Manchester area Jewish population. It has to be googled or binged to include a more accurate source. 71.102.13.174 (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC) 100,000 Jews in Budapest? No way! How can this be? Something's wrong with this table. The Budapest-article says there are roughly 10.000, and the table's source says there are just 55.000 jews in Hungary in total.--93.229.107.217 (talk) 13:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC) I can't be sure the number represents non-practicing Jews or Jews by descent, but I heard the Jewish population was 25,000 in Budapest...again time to google/bing for that information. 71.102.13.174 (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC) Palestinian territories A couple of places are listed as being in Israel when they are in the Palestinian territories, those being Hebron and Ariel. H2 is a Jewish settlement within Hebron which is in the West Bank, and Ariel is a standalone Israeli settlement in the West Bank. Neither of these places are in Israel and even Israel does not claim them as being in Israel. I dont think I can make the correction, so if somebody can revert this edit that would fix the error. nableezy - 14:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Pop of Hebron The citation needed is Amelia Thomas, Michael Kohn, Miriam Raphael, Dan Savery Raz (eds) Israel & the Palestinian Territories, Lonely Planet 2010 p.320 Sources often, as the old one, confuse Kiryat Arba's population with Hebron's, and this confusion was resolved in the archives on that page with Tewfik back in 2007. I'd add it myself but my hangove from festive drinking made me forget this morning I am trying to observe a selfban on article edits.Nishidani (talk) 09:24, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Why is Hebron's 500-strong Israeli community even considered a significant population center? Most Israeli localities are more populated, and many other foreign communities have populations of thousands. We should really delete that.--RM (Be my friend) 07:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC) It was there with the figure 6,000, which actually referred to the Kiryat Arba settlement outside Hebron, a distinct community that, as we all agreed on years ago. I didn't remove the name because someone might suspect my motives were I to do so, and start up an edit war. I think in any case, that you are right, and that it should, as it now stands, be deleted. But I'll leave that to others, if that is the consensus.Nishidani (talk) 14:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC) Jeusalem Jerusalem is currently listed as "Israel", although East Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel and irs not even clear if Western Jerusalem is, therefore it is not neutral to claim that Jerusalem (we an assume the entire city) being listed as "Israel", this is a clear npov violation. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC) i don't get the differance of 1 Jewish population by metropolitan area and 3 Jewish population per metropolitan area it is unclear (to me) what is the differance (maybe i am just to stupid)?134.3.76.108 (talk) 14:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC) Out of date This article desperately needs to be updated with census results from sources more recent than 2002 (!) - signed by anon IP Los Angeles Suburbs http://www.mazorguide.com/communities/usa/california/californiahome.htm - Source of other Jewish communities of California (i.e. Los Angeles and San Diego). Agoura Hills-Thousand Oaks: These cities located 30 miles northwest of L.A. on the Los Angeles County-Ventura County line have one of the highest percentages and per capita of Jews of any US city. The 16 or 17 percent Jewish population of the small unincorporated community of Oak Park is above average for any place in the US. Many of the local Jewish residents relocated from West Los Angeles including Beverly Hills and Santa Monica, and the western San Fernando Valley. Laguna Beach-Newport Beach: The beach cities and towns of South Orange County have vibrant Jewish communities, a part of the ethnoracial and religious diversity of Orange County including the area's Muslims, Buddhists and Mormons. Other Jewish communities of Southern California with the highest concentrations are found in Santa Barbara and the San Diego area (for example, the Del Cerro neighborhood). Lake Elsinore-Menifee: Located 60-some miles southeast of L.A. in Riverside County, including the master-planned community of Sun City, California, is a fast-growing suburban community. The lakeside resort of Lake Elsinore has a history of Jewish residents, but there has been times of intolerance by some locals against them like in 1959. http://archive.jta.org/article/1959/12/24/3061033/jewish-population-in-california-resort-city-reported-terrorized 71.102.13.174 (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC) Australian figures - major update The information on Australia was majorly lacking so I updated it recently with the latest 2011 census data. In the census, Australia had approx. 95,000 Jews. Melbourne has the most Jews in Australia with around 44,000, followed closely by Sydney with 38,000. Although these two cities make up only 40% of Australia's population, they contain over 85% of it's Jewish population. Perth has another 5,610 Jews (out of about 2 million), while Brisbane and the Gold Coast have 3629 combined (out of around 2.5 million). Adelaide has 993, followed by Canberra (the capital) with 702. I didn't list these last few cities in the main article, however, as the numbers are quite small. As far as suburbs in Melbourne and Sydney, I added quite a few. There are now 5 suburbs listed for each city; previously, there were only 2 suburbs between them. Caulfield North (in Melbourne) has the highest number of Jews of any suburb in Australia, with 6522 living there. This is followed by Caulfield South, with 4349, and then St. Kilda East, with 3511 (these suburbs are all adjacent to one another). In Sydney, the Jewish population is far less concentrated, with no single suburb exceeding 3,000 Jews. Although in the article, I have only listed certain suburbs, there are plenty more I could have listed. In Melbourne, these include the following suburbs that are 10-15% Jewish: Brighton East, Toorak, Ormond, Balaclava, Ripponlea, Bentleigh East, Glen Huntly, and McKinnon, and the following suburbs that are between 5-10%: Carnegie, Bentleigh, Gardenvale, Kooyong, Malvern, and Armadale. MisterZed (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2014 (UTC) PARIS? Paris is the largest jewish city in Europe and the 4 or 5th largest in the world outside of Israel. Check out sources? Paris jewish population (Urban area included) is around 240.000 persons. This list is absolutely not accurate and seriously needs to be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.112.176.116 (talk) 11:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC) No, the list is not accurate, lots of cities are missing. But for a city to be included, sources are needed. AFAIK, France does not collect data on religion in censuses, so there is no reliable data on how many Jews there are in Paris. More than in any other European city, definitely, but that is not relevant. No sourced data, no entry.Jeppiz (talk) 00:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC) Major US and UK sources See US (2010) and UK (2011). Ideally, we can find proper research studies for as many of the non-census countries as possible.--Pharos (talk) 21:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC) What about Buenos Aires?? Buenos Aires should definitely be included in this list! There would be in greater Buenos Aires between 140,250 and 244,000 Jews, which would place the city between Moscow and Boston... I haven't checked for any other Argentinian cities, but I m sure others would make it to this table as well. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/710563-son-244000-los-judios-que-viven-en-la-ciudad-segun-un-censo-poblacional https://books.google.nl/books?id=WnDfCSlGtrUC&pg=PP16&lpg=PP16&dq=poblacion+judia+en+buenos+aires&source=bl&ots=pwUAMqtqBb&sig=FCEnwYxfUgzSQQFfFzI9ldyyl8A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yEuKVI6TPMjNOIzugIgJ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=poblacion%20judia%20en%20buenos%20aires&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.208.68.100 (talk) 02:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC) I live in Barranquilla Colombia, S.A., and we have well over 1,000 Jews living here. I have heard that the Jewish community in Bogota is larger, but I have not researched that statement.≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.121.76.80 (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC) What's the point? What's the point of this page if the information is sporadic, unverified, and incomplete to the point of being unusable. There is no education, no knowledge, no utility of such a page. 185.24.121.172 (talk) 13:30, 30 January 2018 (UTC) Most of the information is sourced; nearly all of it in fact. Jeppiz (talk) 13:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC) Request for Protection - There has been vandalism  Not done: This is not a request but thanks for reporting the vandalism. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Uganda

Why is Uganda 33rd when it says N/A by all numbers? 74.105.155.6 (talk) 19:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

It isn't; the initial table order is not fully sorted. There are many columns one may want to sort by. To tell what Uganda's rank is, you have to choose a column to sort by first and sort it by that column. Guarapiranga (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

The initial table order without my sorting appears to be in order of population. Israel first, USA second, France third. 74.105.155.6 (talk) 22:58, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

OK I see what happens. It initially sorts by percentage and it puts N/A ahead of 0.0, so Uganda ranks 33rd in percentage. 74.105.155.6 (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

It never bothered me, but after you brought it up, I had to move it. Guarapiranga (talk) 01:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, so you saw what I meant. Most people don't bother to sort so that's what they see. 74.105.155.6 (talk) 02:02, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Section on remnant groups

There is no mention of Jemeni Jews. See https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-of-yemen, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews .Kdammers (talk)

WP:Be bold. Guarapiranga (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

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Pie chart

On the computer I am using (HP, Chrome), the pie chart's section "other" contexts some sort of text.Kdammers (talk) 03:12, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Someone removed number 7, I renumbered the remaining countries and changed the pie chart to read "12" instead of "13"

Chart

The chart listing the Jewish population by country makes no sense. I genuinely cant figure out how to interpret it. Under United States it shows 12,000. Please explain what that means. I'm referring to the chart on the right side of the page under the map.

Zach-011 (talk) 23:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

The article is Jewish population by "country": the "west bank" is not a country

This does not belong and is politicizing an article. By all means, put a footnote that says Judea and Samaria (aka west bank) is a disputed territory of Israel but it is not its own country by any stretch of the imagination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avi1231 (talk • contribs) 11:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Miami ?

The "Jewish population by city" table puts Miami third in the world, ahead of Los Angeles.

• Miami -- 535,000
• Los Angeles -- 519,200

But the footnote on the table points to a PDF file. Table 3 in that file gives the following:

• Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA -- 617,480
• Miami-Fort Lauderdale-W Palm Beach, FL -- 527,750

There is some confusion regaring whether the Wikipedia table applies to cities or to Metro areas. But either way, the figures in the table are wrong

And the "visualization" pie chart next to the table doesn't even show Miami. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 06:01, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

West Bank

It is illogical to make a separate "West Bank" category. All Jews living in the West Bank are Israeli citizens, living on Israeli-controlled land and under Israeli jurisdiction. They consider themselves Israeli, travel into Israel frequently- usually daily- and fly the Israeli flag. They are, for all intents and purposes, Israeli. If it absolutely must be done (and I'm not saying it must), the most that should be done is either a note or a footnote next to Israel saying "including West Bank."

Unrelated, the chart at the very top, in addition to the change above, should be ordered by "core" or at least "connected." The other numbers are significant, but are not determinative according to any demographers.

Nelamm (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

This article need to be corrected — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.22.39.206 (talk) 00:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)