Talk:Jaguar XE

FWD, RWD or AWD ?

Have JLR announced which wheels will be driven yet ? RGCorris (talk) 19:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Not yet. I'd expect more details will follow at the Paris Motor Show this autumn Warren (talk) 14:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Rear wheel drive to start, all wheel drive expected later. Article updated. Warren (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

"As with all Jaguars sold in the US it will be petrol only."

I attempted to remove this line twice, both edits were reverted, as they were automatically classified as vandalism.

I can understand the bot removing these edits but I feel like it is a stupid place for a stupid line to begin with. First off, the sentence is US-specific. In Europe the XE will be available as a diesel (as indicated in the info bar[?] on the right), so this fact should be reserved for a section of the article dedicated to the US model and its specifications. Especially in the 'Overview' section it looks out of place, where it does not relate or add on to the previous paragraph at all.

Second, the sentence doesn't actually indicate this is only true for the US model, it just says 'as with all Jaguars sold in the US', which includes Jaguars also being sold in the US but also in Europe, while in Europe diesel variants have been available.

A better version would be "As with all US Jaguar models, the US variant of the XE will not be sold with a diesel engine."

--86.94.254.21 (talk) 11:22, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

About the transmission.

Hi, It really troubles me with the section of transmission on this wikipage, please allow my ignorance, Does it really exist the manual version XE with the petrol engine of 200ps horsepower???? I really can't find any resources on major countries' website, if it does exist,please let me know that the information is correct, thank you. Mine: 714704878@qq.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnConnorSino (talk • contribs) 09:21, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Ford-supplied engine

@CplDHicks2: I'm not sure that we should be describing the Ford-supplied 2-litre petrol engine (as used in the early XEs) as a Ford EcoBoost engine. It is true that the engine was supplied by Ford, and it is true that the engine was made in the same factory as 2-litre EcoBoost engines, and it is true that the engine shared much of its design with the EcoBoost engine, but the engine was not a standard EcoBoost engine - it had design differences, and it was not badged as an EcoBoost engine. An article of 8 September 2014 in WhatCar? describes the engines as being "Ford units, modified to JLR’s requirements" (my underlining) and one in The Independent of 25 May 2015 says the "petrol XEs will use engines based on Ford's Ecoboost" (my underlining). I think we should re-phrase our descriptions of the engine to avoid it sounding like the XE used a standard Ford EcoBoost engine. -- DeFacto (talk). 22:48, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Except the truth is the XE did use a standard Ford EcoBoost engine, and we should not rephrase our description to deliberately avoid the truth.

You say "it had design differences"; okay, prove it. What were the differences? I went looking for any source that could substantiate this claim and found none whatsoever. Your two sources are speculative—written before the car went on sale—and vague, saying "...will [continue to] be Ford units, modified to JLR's requirements" and "...will use engines based on Ford's Ecoboost". We have the benefit of hindsight to know that the car did use Ford engines, and other, later sources say it was the same as what was found under the hood of Ford Mondeo/Fusions, S-Maxes and a smattering of other Fords. This article from caradvice.com.au says "This XE 20t Prestige is ... powered by a 2.0-litre Ford EcoBoost engine with 149kW of power. The Ford DNA lingers it would seem!". This review by Jeremy Clarkson says "... while clever new petrol engines are on the way, they haven’t arrived yet. So the 2-litre turbo in my test car is an old Ford unit that first saw the light of day in the Mondeo." This drive.com.au article says "There is also a 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo petrol available in two states of tune - 147kW/280Nm and 177kW/350Nm. This engine is sourced from Ford and is the same 'EcoBoost' powerplant found in the current Mondeo." This goauto.com.au article describes the engine's replacement by the Ingenium design, saying "Gone is the Ford EcoBoost turbo-petrol shared with a Mondeo". Similarly this carsales.com.au srticle says "Replacing the Ford-sourced EcoBoost engines that have powered the petrol Jaguar XE since its launch last year..." I hope you would at least acknowledge that the engine as used in the XE is the same as in the XF, for which this stuff.co.nz article explains "...the 25t four-pot petrol versions have had to fall back on an old friend: they are powered by Ford's 2.0-litre EcoBoost engine, as seen in the Mondeo (FWD) and Falcon (which is RWD, like the Jaguar). ... The same EcoBoost engine was used in the previous-generation XF, albeit in a more budget-minded model than the snappy 25t R-Sport example featured here."

You say "it was not badged as an EcoBoost engine", but JLR's omission is not evidence the engines were somehow "different". The Rolls-Royce Silver Seraph doesn't have a BMW badge on it but it still used the BMW M73 V12. The Rover 200 didn't have Honda badges on it but it still used Honda D-series engines. We're not shy about writing how Saturn Vues used Honda J35 engines even though GM called it the "L66". If Jaguar had their own name for the engine I would use it instead, but they didn't call it anything other than by its displacement and power output (as indicated in the table under the Engines section). It would be misleading to describe them as "Ford EcoBoost-based" simply because JLR omitted the name, when they are in fact Ford EcoBoost engines with no apparent differences as explained above.

To me the AJ-V6 is the perfect contrast to this situation. The X-Type used the AJ-V6, and the AJ-V6 is at its heart a Ford Duratec V6 engine, but does the X-Type article say it was powered by "Ford Duratec V6s"? No, because Jaguar versions had unique features (different cylinder heads with variable valve timing) and were marketed as and are commonly known as "the AJ-V6". That obviously isn't the case here though: there was no special name nor special features distinguishing the XE's engine from any other bog standard EcoBoost engine, and we shouldn't be mealy-mouthed about saying so. CplDHicks2 (talk) 05:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)