Talk:Jacob and Esau

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This article has been broken out from Esau because this story involves both Jacob and Esau, having many commentaries on this subject that could be elaborated here. Jasonasosa (talk) 18:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Israel

I understand that this is not the main page for Jacob. However, if you are going to bring up that he wrestled with an angel and earned the name Israel then you should mention that Israel is often translated along the lines of "wrestles with god." Otherwise, saying that he earned the name is only confusing. Science Is My Life (talk) 19:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Lentil stew

An interesting twist on this story is the point that lentils (if the term meant then what it means now) are a relatively good source for ribose, a chemical that is important in several ways to the human body.

In particular, there is a genetic disorder known as myoadenylate deaminase deficiency (MADD) which affects about 2% of the current European population (though no telling about the population in his day) which could have been at work here. To quote the Wikipedia article on MADD:

"During heavy or prolonged mild to moderate activity, other enzymes convert two molecules of ADP into one ATP molecule and one AMP molecule, making more ATP available to supply energy. AMP is normally converted into IMP by myoadenylate deaminase—so myoadenylate deaminase deficiency reduces energy that would be available to the cell through the purine nucleotide cycle. Instead of being converted to IMP, the AMP builds up in the cells of affected individuals, spills into the blood, and is eventually metabolized in the liver. In persons with a defective enzyme, 5'-nucleotidase removes the ribose and phosphorus from AMP, increasing levels of adenosine measured in muscle cells by ~16–25×, after exercise."

To cut to the chase, the loss of ribose results in muscle injury and, in severe cases, extreme muscle pain. If Esau had MADD and had been exercising vigorously he might have been in severe pain, and even literally risking death (since the muscle damage can lead to kidney failure). Some versions of the story suggest that he had been out hunting, and this would make sense, as he might have been attempting kill an animal for it's organ meats, which tend to have a high ribose content. If he returned from an unsuccessful hunt he might well have been quite desperate. And, very likely, he knew that lintels also contained ribose and would provide relief. (When someone with MADD pain ingests significant amounts of ribose the relief is quite rapid -- in as little as 10 minutes.)

So selling his birthright may have been a wise deal.drh (talk) 02:16, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Second deception

There's a bizarre ellipsis here: we've got lots of detail about the lentil stew and such, but the 2nd deception (where Jacob puts the lamb's wool on, as I recall) to mimic his swarthy brother isn't even described. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Missing elements

The use of lentils was a form of military code between brothers that they had been invaded. And Esau by eating them was sending a signal to his brother that he had in fact been accosted and extorted. Lentils were associated with the land of the "huns" off the west by boat. -Inowen (nlfte) 07:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Interpretation

"Esau acts impulsively. As he did not value his birthright over a bowl of lentil stew, by his actions, Esau demonstrates that he does not deserve to be the one who continues Abraham's responsibilities and rewards under God's covenant, since he does not have the steady, thoughtful qualities which are required.[5]" This seems like an interpretation that should be placed in quotation marks and credited to an author, rather than something that should be presented as fact in the article. 67.193.78.205 (talk) 13:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm inclined to delete this part. It's a direct quote, and I fixed it, however, why is Daniel J. Elezar considered an authority on the story? He's a political scientist. This is also a very loaded interpretation, there are many different interpretations of the story. Constellationcowboy (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)