Talk:Jabr (slave)

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Hmm.[edit]

Is this so you can connect that Muhammad got his biblical narratives from him Alexis Ivanov (talk) 19:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I take you are referring to the citation, correct? It seems that is what the citation mentions. In researching the name "Jabr" this is what came up, and I noticed the Jabr stub had not a single reference... so I added the citation. -- HafizHanif (talk) 19:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No I thought you were creating this article so you can accuse Muhammad of taking the biblical narratives from him, thereby presenting your article in the criticism of Quran article. Brilliant may I add. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 19:33, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, a partly false accusation and an adequate observation after trolling my edits. Once again, perhaps you should look at the history of pages prior to falsely accusing others, my friend. Go in peace. -- HafizHanif (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There was no trolling, and I didn't do any edits on your page, so you don't have to lie, I was just observing. ~

Of course, my friend... now I'm the liar and you were simply observing. I think we are done. -- HafizHanif (talk) 20:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When you accuse of others of trolling edits, yes you can consider yourself liar if you want. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Final response to you, Mr. Ivanov: when you accuse me of editing a link due to your failure to look at the history, and then not acknowledging your ineptitude, what would that be called? Good day sir. -- HafizHanif (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Alexis Ivanov (talk) 20:22, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He is a Muslim Companion[edit]

He is no longer a slave after the capitulation of Mecca. You might want to change that. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 04:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Find the citation meeting wiki guidelines and edit it in. -- HafizHanif (talk) 14:35, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From the same book you have it says that. P.90Alexis Ivanov (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are various accounts of a slave teaching Muhammad certain things. The portion you are talking about is of "Jabr who was a Jew, and then became a Muslim", while another testimony is simply that Jabr was a Jew, not mentioning any conversion, while another tesimony mentions a Jabr being a Christian, while another one doesn't mention the slave of l-Hadrami by name. Which one is correct? -- HafizHanif (talk) 19:58, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Those accounts are accusations as the book says in page 90, from Qurayshi and from his opponents. You should at least make that clear. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, you chose the Christian slave narrative like in Wikiislam why not the Jewish narrative, him being Muslim not being mentioned doesn't mean he didn't became a Muslim. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to entertain your suspicions any longer, Mr. Ivanov. Again, look at the history as to whether or not I even contributed (or initiated) this article other than recently. --

You have contributed the most an you have the book that shows he became a Muslim, I'm entertaining the idea that you are with-holding valuable information in that matter. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 21:22, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to entertain your illogical accusations much longer. Out of 15 edits since the page was started in 2009 ( seven years ago ), I was the 14th contributor, WITH A CITATION and nothing else, and ten individual editors since inception, the rest being bots correcting small mistakes... and you say I am withholding something. Go in peace. We are done. -- HafizHanif (talk) 21:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Citation that showed Jabr became Muslim, but you are just painting as a mere slave. Of course you are with-holding something as anyone can see in the page 90 of the book. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One of four mention conversion... and that is the one you desire to pursue, correct? Was he Jewish, a Christian, speaking Aramaic, or Greek, or what?? Conflicting reports yet you pick the one you agree with, correct? Please. -- HafizHanif (talk) 21:46, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is the one that is more correct, the other three don't deny he isn't Muslim, again absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I will bring in the sources once I go to the library in the coming weeks. The speaking of Aramaic is based on the author translating of the word. I pick the on that is more suitable, only two different reports disagree with his religion, only report mentioned his religion afterwards. I am familiar with the man Jabr himself, so you don't have to act surprised and try to school me here. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 23:06, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding the article (currently a stub)[edit]

I've added content and another source in order to expand 'who' Jabr was and his relationship to Muhammad, and also what was historically said about Jabr. The hope is to objectively share what is written and researched about Jabr. Can anyone help and find other cited content regarding Jabr? If so, please help. -- HafizHanif (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]