Talk:Isoflavone/Archive 1

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Untitled[edit]

I am inclined to remove the rename tag because the editor posting this tag did not start a discussion at the designated page. Also: in wiki many compounds and their derivatives share the same page, for example oxazoline and the oxazolines, cyclopropane and the cyclopropanes, and so on. V8rik 21:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I requested the move is because the article is talking about a group of compounds named isoflavones and not a particular compound named isoflavone. I cannot think of isoflavone as a ketone or an alcohol because it is does not have any particular functional group. However if we stick with isoflavone then flavones should change to flavone. --Kupirijo 23:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the tag; if you wish to move the article, please go to WP:RM and follow proper procedure. Patstuarttalk|edits 21:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

help[edit]

The Soybean article is very large and unwieldy. It would be greatly appreciated if somebody would please look at the Isoflavone section of the Soybean article and try to edit the current text for length and/or transfer some of the Soybean text over to this article, if appropriate? Thanks ^^ Mumun 無文 19:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

California quail[edit]

The article is referenced in the avian sudies section of phytoestrogens, PMID 1246602 but the abstract mentions "desert annuals" and the phytoestrogens formononetin and genistein. Pustelnik (talk) 19:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What legumes don't have isoflavones?[edit]

The title pretty much says it all -- I'm looking to eat the beans with the least isoflavones. ImpIn | (t - c) 09:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Avian studies irrelevant[edit]

There are plenty of studies out there that have been conducted on human beings about the positive health benefits of isoflavones. Let's focus on what matters, which is accuracy, and forget the birds, shall we? Zac (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thyroid Function[edit]

Long time reader first time editor. Thought I'd start giving something back so edited the page: 00:03, 23 April 2011 on the effects isoflavones have on the thyroid. This has been reverted and my edit put down to self promotion. Would it be acceptable to take out the researchers names leaving everything else in my paragraph as it was. I've cited everything I thought was needed, have I done something else wrong? 13:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yogi567 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the note. I am the editor that removed your addition. Here are the aspects that got my attention:
  • "Key researchers and soy experts" flattery terms rarely used in an encyclopedia. Such terms set off alarms here because they are usually prelude to invoking some special authority vs just conveying information. WP:PEACOCK.
  • FDA you mean a US agency? Wikipedia is not about the US.
  • D Doerge and D Sheehan: we rarely acknowledge workers in text.
  • voiced concerns" we dont discuss concerns - weasely words (not intended that way, I am sure). To quote from the Wikipedia manual of style: "... a Wikipedia article should not read like a how-to style manual of instructions, advice (legal, medical, or otherwise).
  • http://thyroid.about.com...</ref> we rarely cite .com sources
  • </ref> <ref>Goitrogenic and estrogenic activity of soy isoflavones. Doerge DR, Sheehan DM. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12060828</ref> We prefer secondary sources: WP:SECONDARY

So the whole thing looks misguided to me, albeit well intentioned,. We are looking for basic information backed by reviews and textbooks. So keep the info simple. Look for some short articles in your area of expertise and upgrade them with elementary information and basic refs. Good luck and best wishes,--Smokefoot (talk) 13:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction[edit]

The article on Tofu states "Soy isoflavones have not been shown to reduce post menopause hot flashes in women or to help prevent cancers of the breast, uterus or prostate" as if it were a fact. The article on Isoflavones states "Some isoflavones, in particular soy isoflavones, when studied in populations eating soy protein, have indicated that there is a lower incidence of breast cancer and other common cancers..." as if it were a fact. Encyclopedias should not contradict themselves. --Cowlinator (talk) 03:47, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Isoflavone/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

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Pro: To be brief, someone did their homework when they wrote this article. It contains some good information useful for a layman's level understanding of the topic.

Con: To be brief, someone didn't do enough homework when they wrote this article. e.g., "Isoflavones comprise a class of organic compounds, often naturally occurring, related to the flavonoids." This is true. Note the key words, "related to." "Many act as phytoestrogens in mammals. Being polyphenols, they are antioxidants." Note the key words, "act as." Isoflavones act as phytoestrogens. Isoflavonoids have antioxidant properties. That does not mean they are polyphenols. It means they have properties, in other words, they act as if in certain circumstances. Estradiol, a testosterone derivate, is the predominant sex hormone present in females; however, it is present in males, albeit at lower levels, as well. It represents the major estrogen in humans. There is mounting evidence that estrogen of a certain type promotes cancer formation. Estradiol has not only a critical impact on reproductive and sexual functioning, but also affects other organs including the bones. Testosterone is the predominant sex hormone present in males; however, it is present in females, albeit at lower levels, as well. By means of the enzyme aromatase, the body also converts testosterone into estradiol. Phytoestrogenic compounds complement female hormone activity, but will interfere with male reproduction, and promote feminine attributes. Davjohn (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5][reply]

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Last edited at 18:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 19:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14627-gender-bending-chemicals-found-in-beer-and-wine.html
  2. ^ http://www.asiatour.com/phytoestrogen.htm
  3. ^ http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/FactSheet/Diet/fs1.phyto.cfm
  4. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgens
  5. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol
  6. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatase

Dairy as source[edit]

Isoflavones in dairy (and other foods of animal origin) are used at least in the UK to estimate isoflavone intake; these data are also used in many observational studies to get a better estimate of intake. The reference used before was not the most appropriate one - I changed it to the one the Food Standards Agency commissioned and used to prepare an intake table. I tried to find the published report (T05028 - Dietary and biomarker prospective study of phytoestrogens in breast and prostate cancer), but it somehow disappeared from the archived websites (which became necessary after the restructuring of government agencies after the 2010 UK general election).Ggux (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 July 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move  — Amakuru (talk) 21:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Isoflavones → Isoflavone – use singular 2601:541:4500:1760:34B4:E267:E570:5216 (talk) 21:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per WP:SINGULAR. Dekimasuよ! 23:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support although I note a previous move 17:35, 19 September 2008‎ Smokefoot (talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (25 bytes) (+25)‎ . . (moved Isoflavone to Isoflavones over redirect: The article is about several compounds, and in fact is NOT about the parent) . Phytoestrogens is more complicated as it is of the result of a merge from Phytoestrogen, I have not yet found the merge discussion to see why the merge was to the plural. Andrewa (talk) 06:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
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