Talk:Intercrural sex/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 02:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll be taking a look at this! — GhostRiver 02:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Lede

• No comma needed after "non-penetrative sex"
• "and thrusted to create friction" → "and friction is generated via thrusting"
• Link Ancient Greece up here
• "writers discussed it frequently and it was present within artworks, such as vases." → "discussed frequently by writers and portrayed in artwork such as vases"
• Then, change the semicolon after "early centuries AD" to a comma
• Comma after "As history went on"
• WL sodomy
• "that one needed to repent for" → "for which one needed to repent"
• "The 17th century saw it take cultural prominence—being seen as a part of male-on-male sexual habits—and was discussed within multiple pieces of literature." → "Intercrural sex gained cultural prominence in the 17th century as part of a larger culture of male-on-male sexual habits, and it was discussed within multiple pieces of literature."

• Not done: Intercrural sex likely remained as prominent as did in the 17th century as it had in preceding centuries; an infamous court case was what really emblazoned its perception.

• "intercrural sex is commonly practised in relationships of various orientation"
• Change the em dashes around "like Sri Lanka" to commas
• "among both heterosexuals" → "both among heterosexuals"

All issues, besides the one outlier, have been dealt with. DMT Biscuit (talk) 09:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Etymology

• "The term intercrural sex" → "The term "intercrural sex" or "The term intercrural sex"
• "to refer to sex between" → "to refer to sexual activity between"
• The current WL on Ancient Greek goes to the article about the language; change the link to Ancient Greece
• "defines it" → "defines intercrural sex"

History and modern practice

Ancient history and the Middle Ages

• Comma after "It has been associated with Eromenos"
• "it fell out of fashion" → "intercrural sex fell out of fashion"
• "and were heavily discussed by writers"
• Do we know why it fell out of fashion? Or is there any speculation?

• Per Tchou (2008), sex with women had been intellectually elevated to the level that sex with young boys, where intercrural sex was most prominent, thus the practice went to the wayside: "It was not that intercrural sex became forbidden, but by claiming that both physical and intellectual progeny was possible through the love for women, the love for boys was made to seem inadequate." Relevant material has been added.

• I think that the second paragraph needs to be expanded upon; right now we're thrown into a quick two-sentence overview. The first sentence of the second paragraph also does not place the paragraph within a certain time or place

• As someone who's read an unholy amount of literature on intercrural sex, I can assure you that there's little material on this time frame; as you state, it's a bit anaemic but that's reflective of sources. I think it's a good bridge between the sections. If you want I can remove it.

Modern history

• WL satire
• "and likely created a perception of intercrural sex being the main method." → "likely influencing the cultural perception to believe that intercrural sex was the main method of homosexual male sexual activity."
• WL Parliament of the United Kingdom
• The sentence beginning "In 15th-century Italy" doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the paragraph, which is mostly about African intercrural sex. It would make more sense in the part about medieval views.
• Comma after "In both the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany"
• No comma needed after "American sociologist"

Statistics

Sexual assault

• "in 5 of 219 cases of male sexual assault reviewed, intercrural sex took place." → "in 219 cases of male sexual assault reviewed in England and Wales, intercrural sex took place in five."
• WL Sri Lanka
• Comma after "During 2014 in Sri Lanka"
• "They were reported between the age of 4 and 19 years" → "These assaults reportedly occurred when the victim was between the age of 4 and 19 years"
• Comma after "4 and 19 years"

• I'm confused. A comma before a period?

• "of 148 sexual offenders in the United States"
• "6%" → "6 percent" per MOS:PERCENT
• Comma after "In cases of child sexual abuse"
• I don't think you need the last quote, as it gets fairly jargony and is also presented without context of who said it and when. The sentence and section can end after "no physical signs of intercrural intercourse."

Education

• "Ripley et al. 1971," → "Ripley et al. (1971)"
• No commas needed before or after "surveyed"
• End one sentence after "acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)."
• Then the next sentence is: "In a 1997 study, 12.5 percent of girls who were asked how not to acquire AIDS responded by suggesting intercrural sex."
• WL Nigeria
• "In Nigeria only 13 of 298" → "A 2009 study in Nigeria showed that only 13 of 298"
• "responded with [didn't know]" → "responded with uncertainty."

Demographics

• "to not be uncommon" → "not to be uncommon"
• "Intercrural sex is popular in Sri Lanka with 4.2% of women" → "Intercrural sex is popular in Sri Lanka: in a 2006 study, 4.2 percent of women"
• No commas before or after "surveyed"
• "20.7%" → "20.7 percent" per MOS:PERCENT
• Same deal with "%" → "percent" all the way through the section

References

• Looks good, nice job!

General comments

• Both pictures are in the public domain and are relevant to the article
• No stability issues present in the revision history
• Copyvio score looks good, highest match is a mirror

Putting on hold for now. Ping me if there are any questions. — GhostRiver 03:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: I've resolved the vast majority of your qualms. There is some questions or explanations but otherwise steady sailing. DMT Biscuit (talk) 10:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

DMT Biscuit I have been down for the count with a nasty head cold the last few days. Some remaining comments:

• The sentence in the lede that you took issue with is still phrased awkwardly. If the court case is the important part, it should be listed in the lede.
• The second and third paragraph in the "Ancient history and the Middle Ages" subhead both begin with the word "It". Instead, try:
  • Intercrural sex has been depicted on artworks such as vases under the title of "courting scenes", which have been heavily discussed by writers.
  • Various historical sodomy laws and religious restrictions, enacted mostly by Christianity, have included intercrural intercourse within their purview.

— GhostRiver 01:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• • • @GhostRiver: Reworded the sentence in the lede - and mentioned the trial. Resolved the qualm. DMT Biscuit (talk) 07:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• • • • @DMT Biscuit: I had to wait until I was not on my school district internet, but all of my comments have been resolved. Passing now. — GhostRiver 10:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)