Talk:Influenza/Archive 4

Major Modern Virus Pandemics

I'm a bit confused by the last two entries in the table. First, are there any sources declaring the 2019-2020 seasonal flu a pandemic? If not, then should it have the [1] footnote, to indicate it's for comparison purposes, and not a "Major Modern Pandemic"? Second, shouldn't there be some kind of disclaimer to make it clear that the coronavirus pandemic is not a flu pandemic? It seems misleading to group it in with a list of flue pandemics. Yes, there's similarities, but at this time there's a ton of misinformation where people are conflating the two. AlleyRegent69 (talk) 13:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for this comment. I have removed the coronavirus entry from the table. Graham Beards (talk) 14:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Pandemics manipulation

Who and why did somebody change and manipulate the section here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics

Corona has nothing to do with influenza!

https://web.archive.org/web/20200319085520/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.213.155.232 (talk) 08:58, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Pandemics manipulation

Who and why did somebody change and manipulate the section here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics

Corona has nothing to do with influenza!

https://web.archive.org/web/20200319085520/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.213.155.232 (talk) 09:00, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Pandemics needs edit

Somebody manipulated the section here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics

as you can see here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200319085520/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Pandemics

Corona has nothing to do with influenza

Please stop seeding fakenews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.213.155.232 (talk) 09:03, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Masks

Ref says "Nine case-control studies suggested implementing transmission barriers, isolation and hygienic measures are effective at containing respiratory virus epidemics. Surgical masks or N95 respirators were the most consistent and comprehensive supportive measures."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=21735402 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Effect of social distancing

The section Influenza#Infection control seems to downplay the effectiveness of social distancing in a way that doesn't seem to correspond closely with the sources, and appears to contradict for example Social distancing#Influenza pandemic of 1918. It may have been of little consequence when it was added in 2007 and 2009, but in 2020 we should probably not be telling people that social distancing doesn't do much.

It currently states: Social distancing strategies used during past pandemics, such as closing schools, churches and theaters, slowed the spread of the virus but did not have a large effect on the overall death rate. However, the first source says that interventions in 1918 reduced peak death rates by about 50%, and overall death rates by about 20%. The second says transmission rates were reduced 30-50%, and overall death rates about 10-30%. That should probably be described by something other than "not a large effect". Both papers also note that overall effectiveness was reduced mainly due to interventions being implemented late, or lifted too early, which should probably be mentioned.

It continues: It is uncertain if reducing public gatherings, by for example closing schools and workplaces, will reduce transmission since people with influenza may just be moved from one area to another; such measures would also be difficult to enforce and might be unpopular. This doesn't seem to accurately summarize the source, which does say that the effectiveness of such measures "has not yet been established", but also says "Most empirical studies suggest a decline in community transmission rates of respiratory infections with school closures ... Recent modeling studies generally support school closure and confinement in the home as an effective means of reducing overall attack rates", etc. It doesn't seem like this one source is enough to support Wikipedia saying that we just don't know whether reducing public gatherings will reduce transmission. --IamNotU (talk) 23:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Be bold and change the text. IAmNitpicking (talk)

Normally I would, but there's a giant edit warning on the page: "It is requested that you discuss significant changes to text or images on this article's talk page before editing" etc. Also it seems like half the edits to medical articles just get reverted. Anyway, I'll try writing something later today. --IamNotU (talk) 15:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't edited this page in long enough that I didn't remember that warning (if it was there when I edited). IAmNitpicking (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request: Mortality

• Current Sentence: Every year about 290,000 to 650,000 people die due to influenza globally.[ref]
• Requested Sentence: Every year about 290,000 to 650,000 people die due to influenza globally,[ref] with an average of 389,000.[new-ref]

The new reference is:
<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Paget|first=John|last2=Spreeuwenberg|first2=Peter|last3=Charu|first3=Vivek|last4=Taylor|first4=Robert J|last5=Iuliano|first5=A Danielle|last6=Bresee|first6=Joseph|last7=Simonsen|first7=Lone|last8=Viboud|first8=Cecile|date=2019-10-22|title=Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project|url=http://jogh.org/documents/issue201902/jogh-09-020421.pdf|journal=Journal of Global Health|language=en|volume=9|issue=2|pages=020421|doi=10.7189/jogh.09.020421|issn=2047-2978|pmc=PMC6815659|pmid=31673337}}</ref>

Thank you --92.195.196.191 (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done Ruslik_Zero 21:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2020

Remove 'yet' from the sentence under the heading Influenzavirus. Change: This genus has only one species, influenza D virus, which infects pigs and cattle. The virus has the potential to infect humans, although no such cases have been observed yet. To: This genus has only one species, influenza D virus, which infects pigs and cattle. The virus has the potential to infect humans, although no such cases have been observed. Deebeedoo (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done TylerDurden8823 (talk) 02:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

origin

Nothing at all about origin?! And even if this often heard theory has perhaps by now been proven wrong, we should at least explain that and how it's been debunked. --Espoo (talk) 13:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Farm animals, no first outbreak is known of course since it is not a single disease. Azaan Habib 18:05, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2020

"stomach flu" and "24-hour flu" are not inaccurate terms. There is nothing inaccurate about them; just confusing and unfortunate. Confusion does not equal inaccuracy.

Current wording: Diarrhea and vomiting occur more commonly in gastroenteritis, which is an unrelated disease and sometimes inaccurately referred to as "stomach flu" or the "24-hour flu"

Suggested wording: Diarrhea and vomiting occur more commonly in gastroenteritis, which is normally an unrelated condition and sometimes confusingly referred to using the poorly applied common terminologies "stomach flu" or "24-hour flu". Kbentler (talk) 20:41, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

There are now 18 H and 11 N subtypes, not 16 or 9 anymore

Please change: "There are 16 H and 9 N subtypes known," to "There are 18 H and 11 N subtypes known"--new research is responsible for this. These are the citations:

References

Updated as requested. - Udorn1972; 8/4/18

Proposed merge of Zoonotic influenza into Influenza

This topic may not be sufficiently notable on it's own, given that all influenza is ultimately zoonotic - i.e. before a virus became endemic in a human population it was endemic in some to some other animal species. Salimfadhley (talk) 07:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2020

I found the source to one of the article references: under 'Society and Cultere', third sentence, ref #257.

Current reference: However, the economic impacts of past pandemics have not been intensively studied, and some authors have suggested that the Spanish influenza actually had a positive long-term effect on per-capita income growth, despite a large reduction in the working population and severe short-term depressive effects.

Change to: However, the economic impacts of past pandemics have not been intensively studied, and some authors have suggested that the Spanish influenza actually had a positive long-term effect on per-capita income growth, despite a large reduction in the working population and severe short-term depressive effects.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.90.210.238 (talk) 05:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

References

 Done. Thanks for the clear request. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 12:46, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 prevention and influenza drop

This article says that the prevention measures against COVID-19 occurred while the Southern Hemisphere skipped the 2020 winter influenza season (May to September) - the difference is dramatic. Should this be added to the 4.2 Infection control section, or the 8.1 Seasonal variations section? TGCP (talk) 14:54, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it can definitely be added. Ruslik_Zero 19:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Update to 2011 Cochrane review - question

A 2020 update to a reference used in this article stating and mask wearing and hand washing are effective has been updated. I routinely add updated Cochrane reviews to Wikipedia but this one seems inconsistent with the statement in this article. This is not my field of expertise and in these times I don't want to add something incorrectly or that could be misleading. I am seeking some advise from a medical professional before proceeding. It is Reference 3 in the current article and I've provided the updated review below. Thank youBDD user (talk) 19:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

References

History section inaccuracy

In the history section it is stated that "A respiratory disease known as *febris Italica* (Italian fever) afflicted Charlemagne's army as it moved throughout Europe in 876–877." This statement is both unsourced and since Charlemagne died in 814, technically cannot be correct. 89.205.140.253 (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

This is sourced to Morens, et al. 2010 (the next inline citation) and I should have used the word "followed" not "afflicted" since that can change the meaning. This may be a typo by the source since 776-777 seems more accurate but I have removed the text for the time being. Velayinosu (talk) 23:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Spell out 2 more times ARDS

ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) is defined once under diagnosis, It next appears a long way down under prognosis, and twice close together under epidemiolgy. Ill leave it to the experts whether to change but suggest that ARDS be redefined where it appears under prognosis and the first appearance under epidemiology.

Tonyf1 (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Flu a function, a reaction of health

Sorry, just saying, please: maybe my fast translation to german may be wrong or/and I am just confused about this: "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Influenza article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject."
Flu, Influenza, I am told these days, is a reaction to: anything. A reaction of/for health, but NOT the (a) desease itself.
So it is a function of health.
--Visionhelp (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

In English, "flu" is an abbreviation for influenza, which is a disease caused by viruses. Graham Beards (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

So it is not the body, (with) the immune defence, which does react with flu to against the virus effects, the attack ?
Visionhelp (talk) 03:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Your English is difficult to understand, but I think you are asking are the symptoms of 'flu caused by the body's immune response (the reaction to interferon for example) and not directly by the virus. The answer is yes, and this is the case with many viral infections. At its worse, this can be a cytokine storm.-Graham Beards (talk) 05:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

The flu as the (health) reaction by the body´s immune response, calling it symptom does hide this. The virus attacks, and the body reacts. As health react, for healing.
Visionhelp (talk) 08:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

The effects of the immune response are a symptom of influenza. Graham Beards (talk) 09:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

A FAST (re)search A source: "Certain bodily mechanisms activate against infection and are to blame for the symptoms" from https://steptohealth.com/how-the-flu-affects-the-body/
Visionhelp (talk) 11:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

First, that's not a reliable source, but it is saying pretty much what I said. The effects of the immune response on the body are a symptom of influenza. Second, how is this discussion improving the article? Graham Beards (talk) 11:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Support, changing the point of view. (To healing, with.)
Handling a ´symptom´ as a healthy (reaction) work (where it is), turns the work, which has to be done: is the body´s work (and also the mind´s) of/to the attack to the body.
Only many wordings´ and statements´ sources, which ´only´ in the tenor of the statements is to extract, but, and to shorten:

• Emotions and illness - National Institutes of Health
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11430288/
  
• Disease, illness, sickness, health, healing and wholeness ...
  https://mh.bmj.com/content/26/1/9
• Illness beliefs, responses & outcomes: Applied health ...
  http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/829/PHL%20Session4%20Lecture1%20VM.pdf
• The concept of illness behaviour
  (pdf) https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S0033291700002476
  

Visionhelp (talk) 14:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I can't understand you and I think there is little to be achieved by continuing this discussion. Graham Beards (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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A hard word, so fast after my last publishing now. Labeling it ´not understanding´ but despite ´little to be achieved´. But OK. My support does end here. Thanks the interesst.
Visionhelp (talk) 14:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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"little to be achieved" is a polite way of saying "a waste of time". Graham Beards (talk) 14:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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I do understand Your english "little to be achieved". And touching in into the appearing my text (comment), even text-end, is just un-kind. Sorry. Let us stop it here, please. (There is more interessting to do.)
Visionhelp (talk) 11:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2021

Under the 'Prognosis' section in paragraph two, sentence one, the contributor made a typo - 'lings' instead of 'lungs'. Shortly after they misspelled 'exacerbation'. Yohoho151rum (talk) 07:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. Spicy (talk) 08:42, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Featured article review needed

This is a once well-written 2006 Featured article that has not been maintained to WP:WIAFA standards since its main author stopped actively editing. Now at over 8,700 words of prose, it is approaching double the size that was originally vetted at FAC. It has taken on uncited text, listiness, short stubby sections, WP:CITATION OVERKILL, and in several places needs updating to reflect WP:MEDDATE. Statements throughout that are cited to old sources need to be checked, sample: In those with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease vaccination reduces exacerbations;[124] it is not clear if it reduces asthma exacerbations.[125] Unless someone is willing and able to restore the article to WIAFA standards, it should be submitted for a Featured article review. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

I've never done FA stuff before but I can try to handle this article if no one else does. Virus taxonomy will likely be updated sometime in March or April, so I'll see what I can do before then. I prefer major edits when overhauling articles so if you don't see me editing here, then it doesn't mean that I'm not working on it. Is that fine? Velayinosu (talk) 03:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

A start would be removing that poorly sourced "Major modern influenza pandemics" transclusion. Graham Beards (talk) 08:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: With enough effort, I think this could be brought back to FA status, but it will take some work. We can start by updating the mask and hand washing ref, which someone has provided a more updated source for in the section above. X-Editor (talk) 06:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

It's been a month so I want to leave an update on my progress.

Signs and symptoms + Prognosis: Mostly done but I wrote much of these 2 sections together, so considerable work is needed here.

Signs and symptoms: Done unless new information is found.

Virology: Mostly done, just need to fix some minor things. Done unless new information is found.

Mechanism: Maybe the section with the most amount of work to be done.

Prevention: Done unless new information is found.

Diagnosis: Lots of information gathered that needs to be organized. Done unless new information is found.

Treatment: Same as Diagnosis. Lots of information gathered that needs to be organized.

Prognosis: Done unless new information is found.

Epidemiology: Done unless new information is found.

History: Done unless new information is found.

Society and culture: I don't think I've found enough information to write a section about this.

Research: I have 3 out of 4 potential paragraphs done.

Animals: Done unless new information is found.

Velayinosu (talk) 04:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC) Updated a week later. Velayinosu (talk) 03:09, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: @Graham Beards: There are probably minor things that can be changed, but I am done with major edits. The article should be much higher quality than it was before. Velayinosu (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping; on my list, and I will start reviewing as I have time. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:45, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Graham Beards and Velayinosu: I looked this over, and appreciate the fine work by Velayinosu. Could we hold off here for now, and turn our attention to whether there are outstanding issues after Graham has finished work on Menstrual cycle at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Menstrual cycle/archive2? That is, ping me again when it is time to take these up. Thanks for the quality work, Velayinosu! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Graham Beards and Ozzie10aaaa: or anyone else watching this page (pardon the ping, you two just came to mind as virus-interested folks), any chance you'd be willing to read through this article and give some thoughts on whether this article meets the FA criteria, and suggestions for further improvements (if any)? It's still on the URFA folks' list, but if we're pleased with the article's current state we can cross it off for them. Kudos again to Velayinosu for all the hard work. Thanks all. Ajpolino (talk) 03:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Velayinosu, Graham Beards, Colin, and Ajpolino: I took a needed break after the ugly things that socks did and said at the Menstrual cycle FAR, and let this fall through the cracks. It is one of Tim Vickers, and among the oldest that need review at WP:URFA/2020. Might we make a push through the month of December to bring it to a place of being able to mark it "Satifactory" without a FAR? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:44, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

PS, bacteria is another of Tim's that is on the oldest at URFA, and Graham indicates it is close to Satisfactory; I don't know what to look at there. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I have done quite a bit of work on Bacteria, focussing on updating citations and content. I'll check over this one during the next few weeks. Graham Beards (talk) 20:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I'll have a look at it. -- Colin°^Talk 21:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Confusing/wrong second lead sentence: "and less typically"?

Resolved

The second sentence of the lead paragraph currently says, "These symptoms typically begin 1–2 days and less typically 3–4 days after exposure to the virus and last for about 2–8 days." I don't understand this sentence; "less" is being used as a verb, and there seem to be two different estimates for the disease duration (3-4 days and 2-8 days). My guess is the words "and less typically 3–4 days" were meant to be removed, making the sentence read, "These symptoms typically begin 1–2 days after exposure to the virus and last for about 2–8 days." I therefore propose that edit (but I can't make it since I am not a confirmed user). Smcpeak74 (talk) 06:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

"Less" is not a verb, it is a determiner. In this context it means "sometimes" or "not as often" or "occasionally". Graham Beards (talk) 10:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

The cited source says "The incubation period is about 1–2 d with a range of 1–4 d". That source's source says "The typical incubation period is 2 days, with a range of 1–4 days" which is different (not saying 1 is typical). The source for that paper's claim is PMID 5907488, which I don't have access to. I think "less typically" is an awkward construction. Do we have other sources that suggest different values? If not, then the best source I have (PMID 14523774) suggests a firm range of 1-4 days and a typical value of 2 days. We could write "These symptoms begin from one to four days exposure to the virus (typically two days) and last for about 2–8 days." -- Colin°^Talk 11:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

In this book *Oxford, John; Kellam, Paul; Collier, Leslie (2016). Human Virology. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 151. ISBN 978-0-19-871468-2. OCLC 968152575. John Oxford has this: "After an incubation period of 2 – 3 days there is usually a very abrupt onset....". According to this book *Shors T (2017). Understanding Viruses. Jones and Bartlett Publishers. ISBN 978-1284025927., the incubation period of the H3N2 influenza A virus infections in the US in July-September 2012 was an average of three days. Typically, (sorry), neither says whether this is the the mode, median, arithmetic mean, midrange, and geometric mean. I think Colin's suggestion is a good one, and we can cite PMID 14523774. Graham Beards (talk) 12:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Colin's suggestion would resolve my concern, except I think the word "after" is missing before "exposure", making the adjusted sentence "These symptoms begin from one to four days after exposure to the virus (typically two days) and last for about 2–8 days." Smcpeak74 (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I have replaced the sentence with the one we have agreed on. [1] -Graham Beards (talk) 10:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2022

Spelling error:

Change "imoprtant" to "important" 98.159.183.26 (talk) 13:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Graham Beards (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

No mention of the 2021-2022 flu season yet ?

[2] If I believe my eyes, it looks like we have 3x more cases of flu than usual at this time of the year. If that's an indicator of what is coming, it would beat the 2009 H1N1 wave, by about 60%. Which, would make it relevant for wikipedia. "last year’s hiatus from the flu has many experts concerned about what this next year might bring — for the flu, as well as other respiratory viruses" [3]. All I have for now obviously is a WP:OR and a conjecture train. Just saying we should be on the lookout for the Influenza Season 2021-2022.[4]. If there is a team on that let me know. I think it's also appropriate to warn that I'm actually banned from Covid topics because I said in talk page that the masks wouldn't stop the second wave in June 2020. WP:CRYSTAL. Iluvalar (talk) 19:01, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

• [5]
• [6]
• [7] SciShow Sept 2 (seemingly answering me ^^)
• [8] (wrote sept 1 , added here sept 11)
• [9]
• [10]

Just hording more questionnable sources... I think this is enough for a quick mention in history ? But I'm looking for sources for the creation of Influenza Season 2021-2022. Iluvalar (talk) 17:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

There's no need to mention individual flu seasons on this article, and news articles should probably not be used as sources on articles like this one. I don't view individual flu seasons as particularly notable since they're more or less the same every year and a normal occurrence. Some countries do experience trends though, e.g. in the US the reported number of cases was gradually increasing prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.[11][12] That kind of multi-year information is probably fine to include in the flu season article. Velayinosu (talk) 01:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

It's also probably fine to mention the COVID-19 pandemic's effects on the seasonal influenza on the flu season article since the sharp reduction in cases is unique. Velayinosu (talk) 01:47, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

There was a sharp reduction of cases last year (source reached IMO), but there is also a worry about the next wave having more susceptible peoples (seeking good sources). If you look at the cdc data, you will see that the hospital admissions are 2x higher atm, 3x higher for the 0-4yo. It haven't been seen since 2009 and that season definitively had an article. I'm just gathering sources so far and see if I can interest other people. Don't worry, I'm fully aware that individual news source are not to be used. Iluvalar (talk) 19:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

The 2009 pandemic was not a flu season but a separate event which is why it has an article. There are some specific flu seasons in specific countries that do have articles but those articles shouldn't exist in my opinion. Velayinosu (talk) 00:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Well H1N1 was and is still a flu and it's been seasonal ever since. Let's not trip on the wording needlessly. I agree with your sentiment, I was here in 2009 when the horror that is Template:2009 flu pandemic came to life. And it seems like we don't learn from our mistakes :Template:COVID-19_pandemic. If history repeat itself the flu of 2022 could be an 100 article long saga... The great 2022 twindemic. please no. I hope not. So it's seem the authorities will meet big pharma about the vaccine on September 13 [13]. We shall wait and see. Iluvalar (talk) 19:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Always source your discussion too ! [[14]] Iluvalar (talk) 20:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

"The early detections of the A (H3N2) subtype are an indication that the upcoming flu season could be severe, although we cannot know for sure what the upcoming flu season will look like," said Pasi Penttinen, ECDC's head of influenza programme.

— https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/eu-health-agency-warns-severe-winter-flu-season-elderly-2021-10-26/

I'm still camping here, just at the fringe of encyclopedism. Not yet ? Hold fire. Iluvalar (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

This source have nothing special The Antlantic SEPTEMBER 7, 2022. Just the one I found today. Still just an anticipated big wave of flu. Iluvalar (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Meta source sourcing this talk section, "“Every year since the pandemic began, I’ve feared this ‘twindemic’ — and that actually hasn’t happened yet,”" [15]. Now I know I shouldn't do this in wikipedia, but the H3N2 raw data have been on the rise the last 2 weeks. [16]. Which could indicate a flu season. I feel oddly like I already been here doing that. Oh! And I just noticed now that twindemic is a blue link since march 2021. Iluvalar (talk) 06:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello it's me again ! The annoying doomsday guy. I think the Wikipedia criterion of encyclopedism is just met for something of the like of H3N2 influenza pandemic (2022). WHO I don't know if they will call it a pandemic yet, but is sure seems like the same strain of H3N2 is now on every continent and surging. I saw news in USA, Canada and UK talking about it. If someone else launch such articles, please keep me informed ? Iluvalar (talk) 19:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

twitter/ABC news/GMA "Tripledemic" and 2022 pediatric care crisis is blue since November 1st. Iluvalar (talk) 00:49, 15 December 2022 (UTC)