Talk:Huldah Gates

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Possibly usable material on page Solomon's Porch[edit]

Page Solomon's Porch has something about the gates. It is a very messy page, but maybe something is useful to be transferred/copied/referenced here. Tomdo08 (talk) 02:54, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some links[edit]

I wasted my time in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 14#Double Gate and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 14#Triple Gate to get some links about the gates. But maybe they hold something interesting, so:

A couple of links where the terms ('Double Gate' and 'Triple Gate') are used as known identity:

Tomdo08 (talk) 03:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Only in the Mishna, really? And is it there in the singular?[edit]

@Hertz1888 and Hope&Act3!: Is that the only ancient mention of the name? I checked up Josephus, both Wars and Antiquities: nothing there. No more time for Pliny, and the Talmud is not my thing.
I just structured the article in a hopefully useful way, but mainly based on what was there already, which isn't the best way, that's how mistakes are being perpetuated.
Is the Mishna (Midot 1:3) talking of a SINGLE Huldah Gate, or is it using the PLURAL form?
The Mishna was brought in by an anonymous editor [Huldah Gates] in poor English, but apparently based on good knowledge of the facts, and was expanded upon by others.
We need an URL to Encyclopædia Judaica (ed. 1972), vol. 15, pp.963-4. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 12:31, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden:, shalom. As for your question about the Mishnah where it mentions the Huldah Gate, there in Tractate Middot 1:3, it is mentioned as "the two Huldah Gates," in the plural. This presents no difficulty, however, as both the Triple Gates and the Double Gates are, collectively, called the Huldah Gate. See the source (Rivka Gonen) in the lede paragraph. Although Josephus does not mention this gate by name, he was no doubt familiar with Huldah the prophetess, whom he mentions by name in his Antiquities 10.4.2. As for the southern-most gates of the Temple Mount, while Josephus does not make mention of the gate by name, he does mention walls that ran their course around the Temple Mount (see The Jewish War 5.4.2). He also mentions four gates on the western quarter of the Temple Mount, in Antiquities 15.11.5. The Jerusalem Talmud (Tractate Chagigah) mentions that one has not fulfilled his pilgrimage to Jerusalem until he sets foot within the Temple Mount. A popular route taken was from Siloam (where the people would immerse themselves), before going up to the Temple Mount, where the people would have entered through the Huldah Gates. You may wish to read about the "Two-thousand year Pilgrimage Road" discovered in Jerusalem, here and here.Davidbena (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Information from a rejected draft page[edit]

Another editor, Muratgokmen5681 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), submitted a draft on the Triple Gate, Draft:Abwab Mihrab Maryam (Triple Gate). Perhaps some of the text below taken from the rejected draft page can be incorporated in this article. Abwab Mihrab Maryam in its other name Triple Gate rests around 65.60 metres far from Bāb al-Nabī and is 11.6 meters beneath from the level of Al-Aqsa Mosque with its three doorways. (Al-Ratrout,2004:295). It has three doorways. [Burgoune, 1992, 110]. Warren and Conder supports the idea that the monument belongs to “Byzantine” date; by Byzantine emperor Justinian [Warren, 1970, p164; Conder,

a) Al-Ratrout, Haitham. (2003) The Architectural Development of Al-Aqsa Mosque in Islamic Jerusalem in the Early Islamic Period: Sacred Architecture in the Shape of 'The Holy'. ISBN 190443603X b) Burgoyne, M. H. (1992). “The Gates of the Haram al- Sharif. In: Raby, J. And Jhons, J (ed) Bayt al-Maqdis: ‘Abd al-Malik’s Jerusalem. Oxford: Oxford University Press, p.105.


c) Warren, Ch., and Conder, C.R. (1970 (1884)). The survey of Western Jerusalem Vol., Jerusalem: Kedem Publishing. [1][2][3]

References

  1. ^ Warren, Ch; Conder, C.R (1970). The survey of Western Jerusalem (Jerusalem ed.). Kedem Publishing.
  2. ^ Burgoyne, M. H. (1992). The Gates of the Haram al- Sharif In: Raby, J. And Jhons, J (ed) Bayt al-Maqdis: ‘Abd al-Malik’s Jerusalem. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 105.
  3. ^ Al-Ratrout, Haitham (2003). The Architectural Development of Al-Aqsa Mosque in Islamic Jerusalem in the Early Islamic Period: Sacred Architecture in the Shape of 'The Holy'. Al-Maktoum Institute Academic Press.

Eastmain (talk • contribs)

More references[edit]

As well, I found these references: [1] [2] [3] [4]

References

  1. ^ "Al-Bab Al-Thulathi (The Triple Gate) (The Gate of the Mihrab of Maryam)". QudsInfo. Retrieved 2021-08-23.
  2. ^ Jarrar, Sabri (1998). "Suq al-Maʾrifa: An Ayyubid Hanbalite Shrine in al-Haram al-Sharif". Muqarnas. 15: 71–100. doi:10.2307/1523278. ISSN 0732-2992.
  3. ^ McDonald, James. "Exterior of the Haram-ash-Sharif : Triple Gateway in South Wall". Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via JSTOR. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  4. ^ ordered by Caliph Abd al-Malik. "Haram al-Sharif; Triple Gate". Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via JSTOR. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tomdo08 references, formatted[edit]

Tomdo08 listed several references in their message above. I have expanded the bare URLs to make it easier to see what the references point to. Perhaps some of them could be added to this article or to a related one. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]s [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20]

References

  1. ^ Department, American Colony (Jerusalem) Photo (Aug 23, 1900). "Various views of the city wall [Jerusalem]. The Triple Gate". www.loc.gov. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021.
  2. ^ Department, American Colony (Jerusalem) Photo (Aug 23, 1900). "Various views of the city wall [Jerusalem]. The Double Gate". www.loc.gov. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021.
  3. ^ http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The Gates of Jerusalem.htm
  4. ^ "Southern Temple Mount Wall - Jerusalem 101". www.generationword.com. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021.
  5. ^ "The Gates of Jerusalem". israel-a-history-of.com. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021.
  6. ^ Ritmeyer, Author Leen (Dec 14, 2010). "The Beautiful Gate of the Temple in Jerusalem". Retrieved Aug 23, 2021. {{cite web}}: |first= has generic name (help)
  7. ^ "Southern Temple Mount Excavations (BiblePlaces.com) – BiblePlaces.com". Retrieved Aug 23, 2021.
  8. ^ https://www.biblosfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/BAR.Article.TempleMt.pdf
  9. ^ "Reconstructing the Triple Gate". The BAS Library. Aug 24, 2015. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021.
  10. ^ Boas, Adrian J. (Sep 6, 2001). "Jerusalem in the Time of the Crusades: Society, Landscape and Art in the Holy City Under Frankish Rule". Routledge. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  11. ^ Mare, W. Harold (May 22, 2002). "The Archaeology of the Jerusalem Area". Wipf and Stock Publishers. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  12. ^ Wilson, Sir Charles William; Warren, Charles (Aug 23, 1871). "The Recovery of Jerusalem: A Narrative of Exploration and Discovery in the City and the Holy Land". Bentley. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  13. ^ Murphy-O'Connor, Jerome (Feb 28, 2008). "The Holy Land: An Oxford Archaeological Guide from Earliest Times to 1700". OUP Oxford. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  14. ^ Maʻoz, Moshe; Nusseibeh, Sari (Jan 1, 2000). "Jerusalem: Points Beyond Friction, and Beyond". BRILL. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  15. ^ Prawer, Professor of Medieval History Joshua; Prawer, Joshua; Ben-Shammai, Haggai (Nov 23, 1996). "The History of Jerusalem: The Early Muslim Period (638-1099)". NYU Press. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  16. ^ Mare, W. Harold (May 22, 2002). "The Archaeology of the Jerusalem Area". Wipf and Stock Publishers. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  17. ^ Garrard, Alec (Jun 23, 2001). "The Splendor of the Temple". Kregel Publications. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  18. ^ Wilson, Sir Charles William; Warren, Charles (Aug 23, 1871). "The Recovery of Jerusalem: A Narrative of Exploration and Discovery in the City and the Holy Land". Bentley. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  19. ^ Har-El, Menashe (Aug 23, 2004). "Golden Jerusalem". Gefen Publishing House Ltd. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.
  20. ^ Maʻoz, Moshe; Nusseibeh, Sari (Jan 1, 2000). "Jerusalem: Points Beyond Friction, and Beyond". BRILL. Retrieved Aug 23, 2021 – via Google Books.

Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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