Talk:Hoof glue

Hoof Glue vs Hide Glue

What is the difference between hoof glue and Hide glue? As a woodworker, I have never heard of hoof glue. If none, this article should be merged with Animal glue which contains a description of hide glue. If there is, then it should be mentioned in the Animal glue article. Luigizanasi 19:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

hoof glue is very simple to make, you just need hoofs, heat and water. Not so easy to make hide glue. Hoof glue is very similar to all other kinds of animal glue, with the major differences being that hoof glue is the simplest of all the animals glues to make and hoof glue does not become fully hardened and brittle it remains slightly flexible. Hoof glue is currently referenced in Animal glue. Perhaps I should add a link from hoof glue to animal glue? I will add the detail that hoof glues remains somewhat flexible after drying. Allenwc 20:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

NO IT ISNT IT IS NOT A THING

If by hoof you mean the whole lower leg, including skin and bone and connective tissues (as is used to make jelly from pigs trotters) then that is just another variation of animal glue, formulated from collagen, NOT keratin. Keratin is difficult to make into glue in a non-industrial way, probably harder than bone and certainly harder than hide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.130.11 (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I legitimately dont think any of this is true

Like any of it. At all. The second reference MAKES NO REFERENCE to hoof glue, it talks of hide. The third is a domaon which is for sale. The first, while being a legitimate article, is a translation from french. The only mention of "hoof glue" is a translation into english, from french, of a section of Pliny originally written in Latin. A translation of a translation is not a good one, and the same passages in pliny available at perseus and penelope (online translations of classic literature, from latin straight to english) make no mention of hoof glue. One simply talks of adhesive, whilst the other states hide glue. Furthermore, there is a Patent from 1946 which describes a process to make adhesives from PREVIOUSLY UNUSABLE keratin materials. As in, before 1940 there was no way to use hoofs, a keratinous product, to make glue.

That someone, somewhere, in an exceptionally large factory now makes hoof glue is possible. That it should have it's own page, or that it was used in antiquity, are both highly suspect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.130.11 (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely zero evidence for the claim that hoof glue was used on the oldest known bow. No source cited & the oldest archaeological evidence for any animal-derived glue is from ~8000 BP in Neolithic Israel, with the earliest found in Europe from a 3100-year-old bow from Switzerland (and that's hide glue) - see http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/tkohers/Bleicher,%20Molecular%20evidence%20of%20use%20of%20hide%20glue%20in%204th%20millennium%20BC%20Europe_neolithischer%20Bogenfund.pdf. I'll remove that from this page. In fact, there's no evidence for hoof glues in archaeological contexts whatsoever, as you couldn't really process keratin for adhesives before the modern era. If any sort of hoof was boiled for glue in antiquity, the adhesive element would be derived from skin, sinew or bone - not keratin. Far harder to make a glue out of keratin than it is with bone, and you need strong acid to get any appreciable quantity of collagen leached out of a bone - trust me, I've tried. Whoever wrote this page must have confused historical references to boiling down hooves to make glue from these elements with modern hoof glue industrially derived from keratin. 95.150.19.245 (talk) 03:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)