Talk:Hollander beater

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Jordan mills (?) and Stamp Mills

What is a "Jordan?" For what functions did it replace the Hollander Beater? And how do we reconcile wikipedia's own page on stamp mills, which describes a "pounding" process, with the assertions of this "Clapp," who says that the stamp mills used wooden paddles? I wrote the original stub, but I confess, I'm not an expert on this subject, and now I'm confused. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Carolfrog 08:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I wrote a paper on acidity in paper and its implications on conservation for a Masters' class in library science. That's where I read Clapp, and got the other stuff. So, I don't know what a Jordan is, yet.  :-) I put that in because the original stub had negatives attributed to stamp mills and were not actually true about stamp mills. Instead, they were negatives of Jordan mills. So, I was trying to differentiate between the two. I'm recovering from a surgery. I do plan, in the future, to figure out what a Jordan is and help this stub. RE: Wooden paddles -- I think the "woodenpaddles" "pound", or slap up and down, on the pulp. So I don't think the two are contradictory. I have a friend who worked in the paper industry. Maybe I can get some pictures from him and clear this up. I'll also see if I can order a book regarding this history, read it, and clear up some more. (BTW -- If you haven't read the Clapp article/book, its REALLY good. If you can't get a hold of it, email me.) --ktoonen 22:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The only copy of the Clapp book that I can find is currently twenty bucks(!) on Amazon. I'll have to decide if that's worth it to me.  :) Also, I'd like to do some further research beyond even that book. I'd like to expand this article further. Thanks for your input. Let's keep talking. Carolfrog 00:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I've started the article conical refiner which is also referred to as the Jordan refiner, named after it's inventor. I've only just started the article but I have added a couple of references in that article which discuss the origin of the Jordan. David Condrey ^{log talk} 08:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

How to link?

Hello! How do I link this page to its French translation : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylindre_hollandais ? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.207.115.239 (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

This would be done on Wikidata. Here is the link [1]. These pages are already linked since the wikidata page was originally created in 2012. David Condrey ^{log talk} 08:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Article needs to be rewritten

The majority of the content of this article is copied verbatum from sources. Such text should be rephrased or cited. David Condrey ^{log talk} 09:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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Stamper

article needed. Stamp mills refers to the machine used for refining ore in mining, not the stamper, a wood contraption attached to a water wheel as portrayed by Jost Amman in 1563 and still in use by Moulin du Verger today.

memo, sources to use:

• http://www.friendsofdardhunter.org/bullandbranch/BB2011Feb.pdf <-great how-to
• http://www.moulinduverger.com/papier-main/article-42.php <- current-day stamper
• http://paper.lib.uiowa.edu/european.php <- T.Barrett article, scholarly

and of course Lalande, when I find a proper reference/link, and certainly the Jost Amman woodcarving, in Wikimedia

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paper_production.jpg

YamaPlos talk 15:14, 23 February 2017 (UTC)