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Cuhud

Since when Cuhud is a derogatory term? Cite your sources, please. Grandmaster (talk) 11:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I am not saying that we should not tell the truth. No in fact it is very good to honestly say how the Jews are called in the republic of Azerbaijan, but the word Cuhud (also Johud, Juhud) etc... is a dereagatory word. In Iran the word Yahudi and Kalimi is used. Kalimi (those of words) is a very respected designation and refers to moses. Also you will find these designations was used in what is today called rep. Azerbaijan in the Iranian era before the Russian conquest. The fact that Cuhud is used says much about the disrespecting views of Musavat and panturkists on their minorities. Every minority gets discriminated by these Panturks; Kurds, Talysh, Lezgin, Armenian, Jews. very sad--Babakexorramdin (talk) 12:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for unsourced POV claims. Cite your sources please and refrain from offensive comments about other nations. Thanks. Grandmaster (talk) 12:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
very illuminative especially your phrase about "other". You know better than me that I always can cite and refer to sources. So I will come back. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 12:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Please do and cite a source that Cuhud is a derogatory term in Azerbaijan. Grandmaster (talk) 12:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I will come back soon --Babakexorramdin (talk) 12:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Mountain Jews in Azerbaijan refer to themselves as Juhuro, how can it be considered offensive? Plus, if a word means something in Persian, its meaning doesn't automatically project onto other languages. The Russian word Żyd / Zhid is of Polish origin and is considered highly offensive to Jews, whereas in Poland that same word is an official way of referring to Jewish people and carries no negative connotation whatsoever. Parishan (talk) 03:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes a word in Chinese can mean something else than in Zulu. But we are talking about the usage of that word in Iran (I did not say Persian language only, but also Azeri language) and the republic of Azerbaijan which has been part of Iran. The fact is that Iranians are more respectful towards their religious minorities than the Panturkists from republic of Azerbaijan. The evidences are the conflicts with Armenians (Christians), Lezgins (Sunnis), and Avars (Sunnis). The fact that the Panturkists have love relationships with Turkey and Israel is purely strategical and does not mean that they love the religious minorities in their own countries. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 12:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Frankly, I couldn't care less what it means outside Azerbaijan. The world doesn't revolve around Iran, ya know. And I personally don't have time for this drivel. So unless you're ready to provide something more substantial than your pathetic Iranian-Power! fairy-tales about big bad Panturkists and their made-up conflicts, you're free to bore somebody else with them. Thank you. Parishan (talk) 21:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Pan-power kimdir Man ya san? agar xastasan yazma. Aslan muhum daylidir ki san Iranli ya Turk ya Moghul ya Hindli, ya Chinli san, Azerbaijan respublikasin arazilar Iranin arazi iddi. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that. Anything else? Parishan (talk) 21:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
yaxchi, xuda hafiz olsun.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

some points

Parishan bey it is weak of you to first oppose me then take my words and add Yahudi to it. By the way it is also not correct to remove Andranikpasha's text, he gavve the source and it was written in the source. You can artificially display a clean face but the fact is that in the rep. Azerbaijan there is not much respect for the minoities. And something more important is: There is no ethnicity of Azerbaijani Jews. There are Mountain Jews and Russian Jews living in Azerbaijan but there is no ethnicity called Azerbaijani Jews.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 20:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

There was nothing in that source about Sumgait or Antisemitism. And it is not me who is displaying a clean face - unlike you, I actually made a contribution by rewriting this whole article myself, going into the hassle of finding numerous neutral sources (including Israeli ones) to back up the points. All you have been doing here is openly displaying prejudice, hatred and disgust towards Azerbaijan, its culture, its people, its values, to a point of agreeing with any nonsense just to make the object of your dislike look repulsive to others. Do you actually expect me to treat your input into this discussion seriously after such disrespectful, inadequate and simply unacceptable attitude?
You are not making this discussion smoother by taking up the role of a judge who gets to evaluate the degree of tolerance in countries. You even went as far as regarding my expansion of the introduction as "cover-up" work, when I did not remove a single bit of information from it. Parishan (talk) 07:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I think you are going too far if you say this: "All you have been doing here is openly displaying prejudice, hatred and disgust towards Azerbaijan, its culture, its people, its values." It is true that I am not in love wioth PanTurkists/ islamists and other extremists, but you cannot accuse me that I hate a culture and people to whom I am closly connected.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 09:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Labeling other people as "Pan-Turkist", etc is not a good practice here. Why don't you assume good faith with regard to other editors? Grandmaster (talk) 10:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I dont know hwy you are saying this, but if I see how great the efforts have been to do everything to minimze the Iranian legacy of rep. Azerbaijan and replace it with some fictyive Turkish/Turkic identity, there is no other conclusion possible that these efforts are driven by Panturkist agendas.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 11:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

You do realise that you're the one who comes across as a nationalist Babak? By calling every Azeri a pan-Turkish you're showing what a slanted view of the world you have. Almost like a Nazi, you're profiling a whole group of people without a rational reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.235.132 (talk) 03:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Antisemitism allegations

  1. "Fear of becoming the target of hostility" is not an example of Antisemitism on the part of the local population.
  2. "none of the 100 buildings formerly belonging to the Jewish community has been returned" - please assume good faith. None of the buildings that belonged to any community prior to 1920 has been returned. Also, no reference is made to the fact that these buildings were repossessed by the Bolsheviks, not the government of Azerbaijan.
  3. "During the last years different attacks against individual Jews or Jewish communal took place" - The last years? The source is from almost 13 years ago.
  4. Hamidov is a controversial politicial with criminal background who spent 9 years in jail while being head of an ultra-right political group.[1] How wise is it to quote him on something as serious as Antisemitism?
  5. The Islamic Party of Azerbaijan has not even been officially registered. Let alone accounting for their newspapers and radio channels, as said in the article. Parishan (talk) 09:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Parishan, do not delete a big part of sourced info just cuz you dont like it! I presented reliable sources, isnt it? if they're laying, pls represent more reliable ones (not only your opinion) saying that facts didnt happened! Echoaz site is an Azeri not Jewish site, surely biased on "Antisemitism in Azerbaijan" case. So pls assume good faith! Andranikpasha (talk) 12:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
What is the point of this discussion if you didn't even read my response? Parishan (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I read it! here are the answers:

  • yes its a fact of anti-Jewish feelings in society, as the people are affraiding to become the target of hostility. Surely such things will never happen in a enough tolerant society. the source itself is about anti-Jewish events.
  • "None of the buildings that belonged to any community prior to 1920 has been returned." if its a sourced info its really very sad and proved that not only anti-Jewish, but some untolerance exists in Azerbaijan to all the religions and societies. Its not a good fact and cant help us here!
  • "Also, no reference is made to the fact that these buildings were repossessed by the Bolsheviks, not the government of Azerbaijan." It happened in Azerbaijan. If you have reliable sources on facts of Bolshiecik (Azerbaijani Bolshievik?) vandalism and anti-semitism you're welcomed to use here!
  • "During the last years"- you were right, changed!
  • "The Islamic Party of Azerbaijan has not even been officially registered" - any source? if yes then lets write that its a non-registered party! the cited site is reliable and only discussing reliable info (not OR) is welcomed. Andranikpasha (talk) 22:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
If the source is about "anti-Jewish" events than the entire first part should be deleted. Being afraid is not an "anti-Jewish event." Also, Kasparov's departure has nothing to do with Anti-Semitism. Being Jewish did not contribute to the fact that he had left Azerbaijan.
You clearly have no idea what your own source is talking about. In 1920, when Azerbaijan was Sovietized, the Bolshevik government repossessed (confiscated) all the real estate that belonged to wealthy individuals and ethnic communities, including cultural and community centres, clubs, mosques, churches, synagogues [2], etc. After the collapse of the Soviet Union the descendants claimed their rights [3] but their demands were not fulfilled. This has absolutely nothing to do with Anti-Semitism, let alone vandalism.
Hamidov is a controversial right-wing ex-criminal; it is not rational to include his quotes into the article.
The Islamic party was founded in 1992, but its registration was cancelled in 1995.[4] It does not have its own TV or radio channels. Parishan (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The antisemitism is not only events but also sentiments, feelings etc. What I included is not my OR but researches on Antisemitism. So our opinions are just opinions.
  • "but their demands were not fulfilled." what is this if not an obvious antisemitism? the reliable sources says the same thing!
  • "Hamidov is a controversial right-wing ex-criminal". I dont know him personally. he is not cited as ex-criminal in the source.
  • so the Islamic party was registered until 1995 before what period the antisemitic facts happened? if the cancelling is connected with antisemitism, then we can add here, if no, then you can add to the article about that party. Andranikpasha (talk) 23:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  1. Do you even read the sources I provide you with, or are we just wasting time here? It wasn't just the Jews whose demands were not fulfilled, it was everybody who claimed their rights to their families' pre-Soviet property seized by Bolsheviks, and were denied. The decision did not have Anti-Semite sentiment behind it. Even your source doesn't classify it as Anti-Semitism.
  2. Of course he is not cited as an ex-criminal in the source - the source is not about Hamidov. That is why I provided you with that link to Echo, where Hamidov's short biography is published.
  3. I don't know what the cancellation was for, but you must mention it in this article. Otherwise you are creating an illusion that there is actually a full-blown recognized active opposition party operating in Azerbaijan that calls for hostility towards Jews. Please assume good faith. Parishan (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
And here is a statement that proves these "cases of Anti-Semitism" are either irrelevant or minor, and it comes directly from an Israeli source, chairman of the Israel-Azerbaijan International Association, Mr. Lev Spivak:
The Jewish community in Azerbaijan is one of the few, if not the only one in the world that in more than 200 years has not seen a single case of Anti-Semitism [5] Parishan (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you think this single POV is enough to delete all the sourced info?? Pls stop editwarring. We have sources saying the same about Armenia but we also have a chapter on Anti-semitism in Armenia (despite no any Jewish was attacked despite of Azerbaijan). Andranikpasha (talk) 13:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Facts of Antisemitism

As the facts of antisemitism are sourced with too much serious human rights organizations reports the deletion of the whole section is unacceptable. Parishan, if even you can find any other reliable sources disputting these facts, try to discuss here and achieve a consensus before of deletion of the whole section. Atherwise, sorry, another such an edit should be reported. Lets leave the political propagand and discuss the existed facts. Andranikpasha (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

How Kasparov's story is antisemitism? He became successful player because of patronage of Heydar Aliyev, and emigrated because of his Armenian ancestry. What does it have to do with antisemitism? Same with other examples. In fact, Azerbaijan is one of the places in the world where antisemitism is practically non-existent and it is the only place of compact settlements of Jewish people outside of Israel (Krasnaya Sloboda). Grandmaster (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
This person, a half-Jewish, had to fled Azerbaijan among with his family and friends just for his half-Armenian blood. Its what about the starting of the section. Many Jews were harrased and oppressed just for their sometimes so weak relations to anything Armenian or Russian. Many Jews had mixed families with them and also were oppressed. All the other things you wrote is out of our section and off course can be added to the article (not to this section) if they are sourced. the section is dedicated to the facts and supporters of Anti-semitism, I never said the Jewish community has no any rights in Azerbaijan. Andranikpasha (talk) 17:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
You say: This person, a half-Jewish, had to fled Azerbaijan among with his family and friends just for his half-Armenian blood. Now please explain how this is antisemitism, if his departure had nothing to do with his Jewish origin? Grandmaster (talk) 12:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

As the source says many half-Jewish people face up aggression and had to fled just for some connections with Armenia or Russia. This is a good example. Anyways, if this only example for you shows a good level of inter-ethnic tolerance in Azerbaijan and you think we need to hide this fact, I can delete this part on Kasparov as it seems too much problematic for you! Andranikpasha (talk) 17:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

It is not just about Kasparov. See the estimates of US State Department and the way you try to portray the situation. The section on antisemitism is the largest in the article, while it is well known that antisemitism has never been a problem in Azerbaijan. You cannot present isolated incidents as general trend. If you feel that this issue still needs to be covered, try doing it in an objective manner, and not by misrepresenting the sources. And once again, if anyone suffered because of his Armenian connections, it is not antisemitism. It is still no good, but it's not the topic of this particular article. Antisemitism is hostility or prejudice towards Jews as an ethnic group, but not every incident involving ethnic Jewish people is actually antisemitism. Grandmaster (talk) 19:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Anyone with a remote degree of common sense will realise that when an Armenian and Iranian nationalist begin editing Azerbaijan related articles there can only really be one explicable reason for such interest. Hope you guys have fun playing these games. This is why in all academic circles wikipedia is never afforded any respect as a credible source of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.235.132 (talk) 04:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Independent review

Im glad you reverted yourself after my protest, Grandmaster. I prefer if you discuss your actions and decisions before doing contradict editions. Anyways Im too prefer an independent (means accepted by all sides ) reviewer, maybe also for History of Jews in Armenia article, as the sources mostly are the same (despite it seems the level of aggression is different in different countries). Andranikpasha (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope one of admins at AE board will be so kind as to review the section that you created. Alternatively, we can ask for a third party opinion via the formal procedure. Grandmaster (talk) 20:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Agree. In this case Im personally can agree for the revert of the Armenian article with the same conditions. Andranikpasha (talk) 21:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Solovyov

What does this Russian presenter have to do with Azerbaijani Jews? Please do not add irrelevant information. Any info about antisemitism can only be included if it has a relevance to Azerbaijani Jews. Grandmaster 08:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Anti-semitism in Azerbaijan means xenophobia against all Jews especially that of Azerbaijan. The letters sent to Soloviov shows the high level of hidden anti-semitism in Azerbaijan. After attacking the Jews in Azerbaijan the Azeri anti-semitic circles are spreading their activities until Russia. This hatred surely affects to the current situation of Jews in Azerbaijan. It is something important. Gazifikator (talk) 09:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Check the title of the article. It is called Azerbaijani Jews. Is Solovyov an Azerbaijani Jew? No, he never lived in Azerbaijan, and was not born there. Your opinion on how this could affect the "current situation of Jews in Azerbaijan" is an OR. You can include only the info that has a direct relevance to the topic. Grandmaster 09:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I checked the subtopic, which is called Antisemitism in Azerbaijan. The letters were a fact of Anti-semitism in Azerbaijan, and were published by a relevant portal on Anti-Semitism. Your info on Solovyov's ancestry is wrong, he is of Jewish origin, a Judaist [6] and is a leading member of Russian Jewish Congress (see [7]). Xenophobia does not recognize political borders (what you say sounds like "they hate Russian Jews, but not Azerbaijani Jews"), it is a hatred against an ethnicity (in Russia, Azerbaijan, Israel or elsewhere). Gazifikator (talk) 09:35, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Subtopic must be relevant to the main topic. You cannot dump here any info on alleged antisemitism, when it has nothing to do with Jewish population of Azerbaijan. Grandmaster 09:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
It is relevant to the anti-Jewish hatred in Azerbaijan. But maybe we need to expand this subsection into a new "Antisemitism in Azerbaijan" article if you believe Antisemitism in Azerbaijan has nothing to do with the topic of Jews in Azerbaijan. But by saying that you're becoming disruptive.Gazifikator (talk) 10:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
There's no "anti-Jewish hatred in Azerbaijan", if anything, Azerbaijan could be an example for other countries in this regard. The sources quoted in the article make it pretty clear that antisemitism is not a problem in Azerbaijan. Actions of a few stupid individuals are isolated incidents. Trying to blow them out of proportion is not in line with WP:UNDUE. As for Solovyov, he has nothing to do with Azerbaijan, as you were explained before. Grandmaster 14:18, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
It is your opinion, but the sources say the contrary. Are the former Interior Minister of Azerbaijan or an official representative of Caucasian Muslim Board (which is well-respected in Azerbaijan, see [8]) just "few stupid individuals", as you describe them? I don't think so. And "hate letters" are not isolated incidents, but a real step until physical annihilation of an ethnic group or it's representatives. Gazifikator (talk) 15:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Earlier in that section we have somewhat propagandistic-sounding assertions essentially supporting Grandmaster's "no anti-Jewish hatred in Azerbaijan" claim. Solovyov's comments indicate that this is not the whole truth. The letters containing the views he characterised as medievalist antisemitic were written by Azerbaijani's - so the content is there to indicate that a segment of ordinary Azeri society hold such views. Meowy 16:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I also think that whole section is an oversimpilification. Much of this so-called antisemitism and the claimed lack of antisemitism is connected to, or is a reaction against, Azerbaijan's close alliance with Israel and with the Zionist/Jewish lobby groups in America that the alliance allows Azerbaijan to access as proxy lobbyists. And it is further complicated by Turkey's recent distancing from its equivalent relationship with Israel. Meowy 16:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Why would the US State Department engage in pro-Azerbaijani propaganda? It is true that antisemitism is not a serious issue in Azerbaijan, all the incidents reported a very minor. No violence, no attacks, nothing that would even deserve a mention. Only stuff like this guy said this, and that guy said that. Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and its Museum of Tolerance, who visited Baku a number of times has no complaints of antisemitism, quite the contrary. [9] The most recent 2010 Anti-Semitism Compendium does not even mention Azerbaijan, while it mentions Armenia. [10] Most of it is dedicated to countries like Germany and France. But looking over at Jews_in_France#Antisemitism_and_Immigration, you can see that a similar section there is much smaller, despite a larger number of incidents. There's an article Anti-Semitism in 21st century France, which is as big as a section here, despite the fact that there were no violent incidents in Azerbaijan, unlike France. Jews in Germany does not even have a section on modern antisemitism, reporting every minor incident. Lithuanian Jews makes no mention of every incident described in the US State Department report. I think it is for a reason. The purpose of the article is not in describing every minor incident, but in giving a general assessment of the situation in the Jewish community. Therefore I think that the Antisemitism section needs to be trimmed down, removing all the redundant material. As for Solovyov, he has nothing to do with Jews in Azerbaijan, therefore he is irrelevant and should be removed. Grandmaster 19:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
So you believe Azerbaijan is even more tolerant and less anti-semitic, then France and Germany. But, sorry, the cited incidents are sourced by reliable sources on anti-Semitism. See for example, [11] (or [12])- it is reliable and called Anti-Semitism in Azerbaijan, 2009-2010, so Anti-Semitism in Azerbaijan exists. It seems you're not so objective to Azerbaijan, which is an area of massacres, cultural genocide [13] and historical falsifications [14]. Off course, you believe these acts also were minor events in prosperous, democratic and super-tolerant Azerbaijan. If about Jews in Azerbaijan, they become the targets of hostility that had previously been directed at Armenians already in modern times. It is in this article, please read. And again, Azeri minister or religious leader are not just guys, but the representatives of government and religious authorities. Or 6 persons arrested in 2011 in Azerbaijan and founded guilty for the preparation of a terroristic attack against the Embassy of Israel, are they just guys with "No violence, no attacks, nothing that would even deserve a mention"? As Meowy sayed the section must be expanded to show the real political background. Gazifikator (talk) 20:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
According to the US State Department 2011: There were no credible reports of anti-Semitic acts against the country’s Jewish community. [15]. I think this says it all. Grandmaster 21:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you want to say that Euro-Asian Jewish Congress is lying? Or you just believe that US State Department is the worlds highest authority on... human rights? It's strange. And it says the same for almost all the countries of region, including Armenia you mentioned: "There were no reports of anti-Semitic violence during the year." [16] while we have much more information added to Jews_in_Armenia#Antisemitism. Where is WP:DUE? If in the case of Azerbaijan they have no credible reports, in the case of Armenia they absolutely have no reports. Or your strange choose of only sources on HR works only for native "super-tolerant" Azerbaijan? Gazifikator (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

It is not the same. In case of Azerbaijan US State Department says that There were no credible reports of anti-Semitic acts against the country’s Jewish community. That means that there were no acts at all, whether violent or not. For Armenia they say: There were no reports of anti-Semitic violence during the year. No violence, but there were non-violent incidents. Acts and violence are not the same. And who is Euro-Asian Jewish Congress? Why are they notable? Grandmaster 07:41, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
While State Dept is just a foreign ministry of a country, not directly interested in watching anti-Semitism, EAJC is the only Jewish organization of the whole CIS region watching the situation on anti-Semitism [17]. It is one of the 5 regional branches of the notable and internationally-known WJC, which has special credentials and recognition at the United Nations. It is a primary source (while State dept is secondary). Gazifikator (talk) 07:56, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Grandmaster, really, try out that head-of-a-pin dancing "acts" versus "violence" elsewhere and prepare to be laughed out! Meowy 14:19, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't think others would share your sense of humor. The difference is pretty obvious, the latest report of the US State Department on antisemitism makes no mention of any incidents in Azerbaijan, but mentions desecration of a Jewish monument in Yerevan. At the same time, in another report US State Department says that "There were no reports of anti-Semitic violence during the year" in Armenia. Obviously, this means that the aforementioned incident does not qualify as violence, but it is an antisemitic act. And a similar document on Azerbaijan says that no acts were reported. Maybe you have a different explanation for the use of different terms for each country, while no incidents are mentioned in one country, in contrast with the other. Grandmaster 18:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Solovyov has never been to Azerbaijan and the emails he supposedly received from Azerbaijan are not substantial enough to speak of "acts of Antisemitism". Gazifikator's references are nothing but reliable. Isgandar Hamidov (a highly controversial figure and a failed politician who has been described as odious even by his former fellow party members) and Haji Akif (who has nothing to do with the "well-respected" CMB and is former head of the Iranian-funded Islamic Party which is not even officially registered in Azerbaijan) cannot hold a candle to US State Department in terms of Antisemitism assessment and the source quoting them seems a bit questionable itself given so many inaccuracies (there is no town called "Gobi" in Azerbaijan). Parishan (talk) 14:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

For the first, stop editwarring. Then, it is not important, if Hamidov is controversial, he was an Interior Minister and is an opposition activist, it is enough notable (he has a WIki article on him, and no problems with notability). I dont understand what source you dislike, as you deleted several. Why do you think Solovyov never was in Azerbaijan and is it really a relevant issue? Please read the start of this thread, I explained to Grandmaster that anti-Semitism does not deffer Jews of different regions. It exists or doesn't exist. Gazifikator (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
To which I said that this article is about Azerbaijani Jewish community, not Russian TV presenters. Grandmaster 18:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
And you're completely disruptive in that and in editwarring you started. Ask for a third opinion if the hate letters to Solovyov doesn't belong here. Gazifikator (talk) 18:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Gazifikator, notable does not mean serious or credible. We are talking about someone who lives in Azerbaijan and threatens countries with nuclear attacks. Parishan (talk) 16:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

The section is titled "Antisemitism in Azerbaijan", not "Antsemitic acts against Jews in Azerbaijan" (even if it could be seriously argued that those letter-writing Azeris confine their antisemitic opinions to letters written to Jews outside of Azerbaijan). As for what content should be included, I think we should be guided by the explanation of what Antisemitism is defined as in the Wikipedia article: "Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage". Opposition to policies undertaken by Israel is not antisemitism. Meowy 13:17, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

For example, the text "in 2008, four Azerbaijanians and two citizens of Lebanon were arrested in Azerbaijan and founded guilty in the preparation of a terroristic attack against the Embassy of Israel and a number of other places" has nothing directly to do with antisemitism unless there are sources that suggest otherwise. And "terroristic" looks like pov. Meowy 14:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

The section is not about abstract antisemitism. Considering that the article is called Azerbaijani Jews, we can only refer to antisemitism related to the Jewish community of Azerbaijan. And there's not much to talk about anyway. A few not particularly notable people saying stupid things. I understand why this info is being blown out of any proportion, but the truth is that there's much more antisemitism in Christian Armenia than in Muslim Azerbaijan. Grandmaster 14:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Off course you believe so. But better to left your pro-Azerbaijani agenda and start to represent serious sources. Gazifikator (talk) 13:53, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Do you mean that US State Department and Jewish organisations of Azerbaijan are less serious than Isgandar Hamidov? Parishan (talk) 11:33, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

It is quite interesting to see that the source used to support the alleged antisemitism in Azerbaijan in fact says quite the opposite: Jews do not suffer from discrimination, and the country is remarkably free from anti-Semitism. [18] Of course, this part is not used in the article. Grandmaster 16:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Meowy, Solovyov's allegations and his racist anti-Azerbaijani tirade live on Russian television were refuted and criticised by Jewish cultural organisations of Azerbaijan: [19], which are Azerbaijan-based and thus more credible than some parvenu Russian television commentator who does not get many positive reviews as a journalist even in his home country. Planned acts against the Israeli embassy, Iranian-orchestrated anti-Zionist protests in Nardaran and so on are not acts of Antisemitism. For instance, Iran has no diplomatic relations with Israel and is the most anti-Zionist regime in the world, but it still has one of the largest Jewish communities in the Middle East and cannot be described as blatantly Antisemitic toward its own Jewish population. Parishan (talk) 16:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Article contents can include all relevant information about Jews in Azerbaijan

The article has now been redirected to the correct name of History of the Jews in Azerbaijan and thus can legitimately contain any events, facts and history, relating to Jews in Azerbaijan. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Collage

I suggest to modify the collage as follows:

  • Use the same image sizes and style, as used on many other similar pages, like Mizrahi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Russian Jews, Israeli Jews etc. Larger images would make it easier to recognise the people shown. In addition, with 3 images per row the collage would fit into small displays such as those on smart phones.
  • Include really famous people such as Garry Kasparov, world chess champion, and Gavriil Ilizarov, orthopaedic surgeon and inventor.
  • With so many outstanding persons in the collage, it makes no sense to include so many less known ones. E.g. with Kasparov, one would not need to show other chess masters, such as Radjabov and Sutovsky. I would rather propose to reduce the number of persons from 15 to 12.

Based on this, here is my proposal:

--Off-shell (talk) 22:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I love it! I think that is a brilliant collage and will definitely make the page look much better. Mr. Sort It Out (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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