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Time magazine ref[edit]

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Can someone add the following ref after the first sentence? -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 19:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<ref>{{cite web |title=25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis: Marion and Herb Sandler |url=http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877343,00.html |publisher=Time Magazine}}</ref>

Not done: Welcome. Could you explain how that reference is needed for the first sentence? Thanks, Celestra (talk) 05:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This page is incomplete. It presents the subject in a very flattering light, when his and his wife's role in the mortgage meltdown is well known. CShannon (talk) 01:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protection template[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please replace the protection template with:

{{pp-protected|expiry=19 February 2011}}

The "small" parameter is contraindicated because this is an article, protected temporarily, for which notice should be given to editors of the details of protection. --Bsherr (talk) 19:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Expiry added, but where did you get February 2011 from? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

From the block log. You put in the date the block was issued, not when it expires. Oops. --Bsherr (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit protected[edit]

{{editprotected}} "and was voted the United States' most admired savings or mortgage institution 10 times in Fortune magazine's annual list of the nation's most admired companies"

"Most admired" is in there twice :) - Philippe 11:59, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

yes, in two different contexts. One is telling us what the company was voted as, and the other is telling us in what list the vote occurred. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Sandlers made their billions off the backs of lower and middle class people, then bankrupt Wachovia when their scam went bust[edit]

Wow! Nothing on the Golden West Financial 2008 housing scandal that caused the collapse of Wachovia, which helped precipitate the housing bust, which caused Lehman Brothers and others to go bankrupt, which caused the election of Barack Obama, despite his Marxist pronouncements. ("I want to spread the wealth around", his promise to take $50 billion from oil companies off the top, out of spite, etc.) The Sandlers were con men. Charlatans. Grifters. They stole money from lower and middle class people through predatory lending and then sold their house of cards to the bank with the cute little black actor who knew far more about banking than all the old, white altercocker bankers that he constantly ridiculed in their tv commercials.

Yeah, Wachovia was smart alright. They got taken by the Sandlers for billions.

If you want to know who the Sandlers were, believe it or not, watch the original, unedited skit that Saturday Night Live did on them. Yeah, SNL got one political skit right, and then censored themselves right after when the corrupt, Marxist couple threatened legal action. (So much for "free speech".) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.155.110.4 (talk) 12:38, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Also google Time Magazine 25 people to blame for the financial crisis. CShannon (talk) 01:37, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

World Savings' misbehavior[edit]

World Savings conduct in business, in my experience, was contrary to the Sandler's public presentation as generous, liberal humanitarians. Look at the lawsuit Habr vs. World Savings. World sold a slum apartment complex in Sacramento without revealing there was asbestos abatement by the city, and then drove the buyers into bankruptcy with flood of seedy legal maneuvers so they could foreclose and sell it again. They spent nearly a million dollars to keep a lawsuit out of the sight of a jury, forcing it to an arbitration run by a bunch of kangaroos.

Seems to be a continuation of the philosophy that it is ok to screw everyone in your way to get rich--and then try to buy your way into heaven once you have got it all.

I hope this plan does not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drsilverstein (talk • contribs) 23:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2019[edit]

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Please remove the sentence added on 12-24-18: "In an article on the death of Marion Sandler, Forbes notes that Golden West 'instituted borrowing practices that were largely blamed for the housing market collapse.'[3]"

Reason for the removal: Going back to 2008, there were efforts by partisan and other actors to associate false and negative information about the Sandlers and their former company in the press and in their Wikipedia pages. Mr. Sandler's entry was put in "semi-protected" status to guard against such efforts. The 12-24-18 addition is yet another example of an effort to harm the reputation of a living person with flawed information. One has to ask why someone is seeking to add this sentence 8-10 years later? A website was put up to accurately portray the history of Golden West and push back against false myths being perpetuated: http://www.goldenwestworld.com/myths-and-facts/ and the Columbia Journalism Review also wrote an article in 2010 summarizing some of the flawed reporting that had been done against the Sandlers: http://www.goldenwestworld.com/wp-content/uploads/cjr-updated-article-by-jeff-horwitz.pdf MoonlightBruin (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — Newslinger talk 10:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2020[edit]

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This bio blurb fails to mention how Sandler and Sandler sold Wachoiva a bankrupt business and precipitated the collapse of Wachoiva. While the Sandlers received WB stock in exchange for GWF stock, and they suffered along with the WB shareholders, the underlying soundness of GWF's mortgage portfolio was well known to them. I find the references to their "philanthropy" ironic in the larger context of their financial mendacity. WB's management and board win no awards for their diligence and perspicacity, but they were mere enablers of the collapse of a long-standing scam. --2600:1700:F580:2680:8966:D5D9:4AA4:EDD1 (talk) 14:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC) 2600:1700:F580:2680:8966:D5D9:4AA4:EDD1 (talk) 14:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Subprime Crisis[edit]

The Sandlers and GWF were widely cited as significant contributors to the 2008 subprime crisis. Ive added a section to that end. DarrellWinkler (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]