Talk:Heidi Gardner
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Heidi and Butt-Head[edit]
My 17 April 2024 version read:
While playing NewsNation host Bobbi Moore in a April 13, 2024 SNL skit, Gardner, who has built a reputation for maintaining composure during comedy scenes, drew considerable attention for corpsing in what Vulture magazine characterized "in spectacularly charming fashion".
The current version reads:
Gardner, who had never broken character in seven seasons on SNL, cracked while playing NewsNation host Bobbi Moore in a Beavis and Butthead-centered sketch on April 13, 2024. Vulture magazine described the moment as breaking in "spectacularly charming fashion".
I feel this is mostly not an improvement for the following reasons:
- the sources verify Gardner's reputation as usually not breaking, but claiming she has never broken is taking it too far.
- replacing the single trade term "corpsing" with no less than three phrases: broken character in past tense, cracked and breaking, is not an improvement
Mentioning the sketch features Beavis and Butt-Head is fair (assuming we spell Butt-Head correctly). So is adding "as" to Vulture's characterization.
I have edited the paragraph in conformance with the above. CapnZapp (talk) 09:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi CapnZapp. The source I added stated exactly that Gardner had never broken before, so I don't know why you think that's "too far". If anything, stating "the sources verify Gardner's reputation as usually not breaking" is too far, as I didn't see any reliable source that said that. Maybe I missed it, but the current source that's there definitely says what I put in the text. I also don't think "corpsing" is great, since as you said, it's a trade term (I'd never heard of it before) and we should use terms that most people are familiar with. Fred Zepelin (talk) 15:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and thank you for responding on Talk, User:Fred Zepelin. Regarding your comment: as far as I can see, you have not personally added any sources to this article. Which source are you referring to, and where exactly is your claim (Gardner has never corpsed) verified? Please note: just because she says she can't recall breaking does not mean we should feel confident claiming she never has. There's an important distinction between Variety (if that's the source you're thinking of) stating "Gardner has not broken ever" and Variety interviewing a fallible human. Finally, you'll note I link to the article that explains the term "corpsing". By the way, the custom is to not revert until the discussion (here on talk) has run its course and consensus has been reached. You're new around here, so I though to let you know - once a discussion has started, please hold off reverting back to your preferred version until it has concluded or you could come across as combative even if you don't intend to. Hope you have a great time here on Wikipedia! Thanks CapnZapp (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- I thought I had added this source but looking back, it appears I did not. My mistake. That source says "Heidi Gardner is seven seasons in on Saturday Night Live and had never broken character until Ryan Gosling and Mikey Day personified Beavis and Butt-Head." Fred Zepelin (talk) 21:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and thank you for responding on Talk, User:Fred Zepelin. Regarding your comment: as far as I can see, you have not personally added any sources to this article. Which source are you referring to, and where exactly is your claim (Gardner has never corpsed) verified? Please note: just because she says she can't recall breaking does not mean we should feel confident claiming she never has. There's an important distinction between Variety (if that's the source you're thinking of) stating "Gardner has not broken ever" and Variety interviewing a fallible human. Finally, you'll note I link to the article that explains the term "corpsing". By the way, the custom is to not revert until the discussion (here on talk) has run its course and consensus has been reached. You're new around here, so I though to let you know - once a discussion has started, please hold off reverting back to your preferred version until it has concluded or you could come across as combative even if you don't intend to. Hope you have a great time here on Wikipedia! Thanks CapnZapp (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)