Talk:Hebrew keyboard

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From before Epson291 10:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the inaccesible punctuation part is wrong-a quotation mark IS a gershayim , an apostrophe IS a geresh, the only part of it that is right is the pasuq which isn't on keybpads but anyway it (and sof pasuq) are only used in writing in the torah.

SVG tinkering needed to correct diacritic position[edit]

The graphic used for Holam is incorrect. The diacritical dot should be to the left of the letter, not the center. An accurate graphic is used in Hebrew alphabet. A simple substitution of the correct one doesn't look right because of white space differences from the other SVG images. Enoent (talk) 11:48, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

done. Dan ☺ 20:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hebrew on standard Latin-based keyboards[edit]

I updated this section to reflect current usage, including specifically naming how most people refer to this layout, which is "Hebrew-QWERTY." That isn't a great name for many reasons, but it is common usage. I also replaced the morphology reference for ט, which was confusing and not typical, with ש on the W key, which is common on most Hebrew-QWERTY layouts.

I am a new Wikipedia editor, and I included many references, partly as refutation in case I was challenged, and partly as an aid to the reader who might come to Wikipedia looking for Hebrew-QWERTY resources, which can be difficult to find. The problem is that in proving my point via reference, I have necessarily included references to commercial products. This seems to be no-no where it can be avoided, but I didn't see any way to do so without simply removing the references altogether. I am also acknowledging my conflict of interest as I produce one of the products referenced. I did, however, also include references to products which are not my own, and further included references to free, no-cost alternatives. (And its not like I will get rich on Hebrew-QWERTY products. I offer these as a service with no illusion that this will ever be a major source of income.) If I've made a faux pas here, please advise. Radicaldad (talk) 13:09, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reversed parentheses/brackets?[edit]

The info on reversed brackets is wrong as far as I know. I've never seen a computer work that way. There's some reversing when typing in LTR instead of RTL (never got the idea, really), but even then the reversed characters correct themselves after you type the next RTL letter character. 217.132.206.185 (talk) 00:23, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

THIS IS NOT TRUE: For instance, whether on a right-to-left or left-to-right keyboard, Shift-9 always produces a logical "open parenthesis". I have fixed that and someone else has wrongly changed it back. Also the keyboard picture is wrong. Shift+9 should ALWAYS look like ( but is differently interpreted into U+0029 in a Hebrew right-to-left layout. Nashbell (talk) 02:39, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on improving the entire thing. I think I've managed to fix this one. Shachar (talk) 09:39, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

the parentheses are reverese in the diagram. I've never seen an actual keyboard like that. You can also see in the actual keyboard picture that appears in the article that it's not that way.Guyru (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Linux variants[edit]

Apart from the default layout, there are "lyx", "phonetic" and "biblical" available by default in Xorg setup. Maybe those should be included here? Couldn't find any info on them myself, alas. -- 188.195.61.249 (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The linux default Hebrew layout as used with "setxkbmap -layout us,il" can be found under /share/X11/xkb/symbols/il and is listed under the "basic" entries (online src: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/tree/symbols/il ). It significantly differs from the Windows and MacOS layouts by virtue of NOT putting any Niqqud in the upper layer (digits) but instead spreading them across different letters. e.g. Hataf Segol is exclusively accessed by AltGr+C (AltGr+ב) and isn't associated with any digit key combination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.15.114 (talk) 21:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's important to note the Linux layout is actually a backwards compatible version of SI-1452-2 to the commonly found SI-1452 keyboard. Looking at http://mikladot.com/ , ץ and ן are still located at > and I respectfully instead of the newer locations ( Q and W ). But as previously mentioned, no Niqqud are placed on the digit upper row and are instead spread across the keyboard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.15.114 (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

It would be nice to have a section on history here: when and where were the first Hebrew typewriters produced, who invented the layout and so on. --eugrus (talk) 14:18, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 10[edit]

From what I can say Kamatz is entered using AltGr + E and Patach through AltGr + P in the Windows 10 Hebrew layout. The AltGr + 8/7 combinations rather produce "×" and‎‎ " ֽ "(אֽ). --eugrus (talk) 10:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]