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underacheiving does not give a nuetral point of view

It looks alright to me...I cant see anything wrong with it unless it's because it's a stub? Or doens't have a picture...?

Yes, I don't see anything wrong with it other than being short. Does anyone disagree? Or should the cleanup tag be removed? Srl 23:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

I admit that I have a real issue with untransliterated articles appearing in English Wikipedia... so what is this letter at the beginning and how do you pronounce it? Iamvered 20:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This one is a hard H. I think the IPA is 'hɑmɹun'. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 23:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

H with stroke[edit]

I added a brief note on what Ħ is. I've never seen it and I think it's worth mentioning. A previous person made the same question above me. I think it adds to understanding of the article. --AW (talk) 22:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a town in Malta. Diacritics and digraphs in the Maltese language, which have nothing to do with the subject matter at hand, are discussed in the article on the Maltese alphabet. There has been some discussion on the rendering of Maltese geographical name and there has been general agreement to do away with most grammatical contructs (Ħamrun would be really "il-Ħamrun" in Maltese) but retain diacritics and digraphs.

Adding a note like this to each and every Maltese town and geographical name would simply burden many the articles (think Birżebbuġa). And no such note is offered for other countries' georgraphical names (e.g. Głęboczek or Tromsø), so I don't see why such an out-of-place note should be added in the case of Maltese place names.

Demdem (talk) 19:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. In Birżebbuġa, it's clear those are z's and g's with marks, but the H with stroke isn't really clear to me, or other people (as above). What about linking to the H with stroke in part of the article about the name or history? As in "Ħamrun" .--AW (talk) 00:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but my main point above is not addressed. Diacritics and digraphs in the georgraphical names for other countries are not addressed in the particular articles. Stated simply: why should the "Ħ" in "Ħamrun" get explained in the Ħamrun article but not the "ł" in any of the "Głęboczek" articles? In any case, I think this would be a subject for discussion (and agreement) in Wikipedia:NCGN before appending this note in a somewhat arbitrary way.

Demdem (talk) 07:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the H with the stroke even in this article in the English language? On (English) Google maps it's just a regular H. ^[1] and it looks like most of the Google book results don't have the stroke but a normal English H ^[2] Uac1530 (talk) 00:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC) I think it should be changed to Hamrun[reply]

@Uac1530: "Ħamrun" (with the H with a stroke) is commonly used in English-language media sources such as this. --Xwejnusgozo (talk) 00:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Xwejnusgozo: "commonly" if you do a google news search with the stroke the English-language results are all from Maltese sources... how "common" is this usage? if the Google maps doesn't use it, can it really be the "common" use? It isn't even used in the name of the local football club. The WP guidelines all support without the stroke, i.e., the actual English letter in the English Wikipedia. Uac1530 (talk) 10:27, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Uac1530: The lack of the stroke in many sources originating from Malta is probably due to the fact that most Maltese people use an English-language keyboard, not a Maltese-language keyboard (I am Maltese and I never had a Maltese-language keyboard). This obviously lacks letters which are specific to the Maltese alphabet, such as Ċ, Ġ, Ħ and Ż, and therefore "Ħamrun" becomes "Hamrun", "Żebbuġ" becomes "Zebbug" etc. Using Google Maps as a source seems questionable to me - it's remarkably inconsistent when it comes to Maltese place names, for example Kirkop is "Hal Kirkop" (no stroke), Safi is "Ħal Safi" (with stroke), Żurrieq is spelled without the dot on the Ż, yet Żejtun is spelled with the dot. --Xwejnusgozo (talk) 10:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Xwejnusgozo: Thanks for explaining the keyboard thing! Didn't think of that. I agree that using only Google Maps would be questionable, especially if, as you point out, they are inconsistent in their usage. But it's not just Google Maps.

Here's one of three uses of "Hamrun" in the New York Times, from 1984. The other two mention Hamrun Spartans FC.

Hamrun Spartans FC don't have the strike-through in the H in their name, on their shield, not even on the website of the Malta Football Association.

Here is the first non-Hamrun Spartans reference to come up in The Guardian, so we can see British usage, an obituary of famed Maltese composer Charles Camilleri

Here's the deal - Pete Buttigieg is a Democratic party candidate for United States president, and his father Joseph Buttigieg was born in Hamrun, and so I assume this page will get an uptick in attention. As the New York Times has shown, when this town is mentioned in American media, it will not be with a non-English letter. I apologize for my initial tone. I just want this to be useful to English-speaking users who will probably be coming. Hamrun without the mark seems to be the most common English usage and I think it should be changed. Uac1530 (talk) 11:13, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unless it can be shown that the 'H with a stroke' character dominates the spelling of this town's name in English-language text, then the name of this article (in "en.wikipedia.org", the English-language Wikipedia) should really be changed to "Hamrun" (though, of course, noting the Maltese-language spelling in the lead sentence of the article). Ross Finlayson (talk) 08:13, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A Google search suggests that this is not even close. The search intext:"Ħamrun" returns 372000 results. The search intext:"Hamrun" returns 8200000 results. Unless there are convincing objections, then I plan to rename this page as "Hamrun". Ross Finlayson (talk) 08:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rsfinlayson: I agree, it should be changed.

Done now. Ross Finlayson (talk) 11:47, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

Somalia?[edit]

Why does it say "Somalia" in the box on the right? Languagehat (talk) 03:41, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://goo.gl/maps/KfnmrpkbXnaWyjni6

[2] ttps://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=hamrun

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