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in National Capital Territory

The article states that Gurgaon is both part of the National Capital Territory and the state of Haryana. However, these are two separate political units. I believe that Gurgaon is in Haryana, and that there was confusion between the National Capital Territory and the National Capital Region (which includes the National Capital Territory and its suburbs. Can someone confirm this from non-wikipedia sources?

Arun 05:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

changed. --84.154.193.73 17:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Sate of Gurgaon is not Haryana, but it is just considered as NCR

I note that this city is listed in the category, "Delhi neighborhoods." It is, however, a separate city. Can someone kindly explain? Unless someone can point out why it belongs in that category,gurgaon is in ncr..--Mantanmoreland 12:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Gurgaon is contiguous to Delhi. That takes nothing away from the fact that it's a separate city. --Amit 18:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Tags added

I have added a tag (reads like an essay) to the Quality of Life section. The whole "transportation" section reads like a never-ending rant. While I agree with most of what is written, the content and tone is far from encyclopaedic. The whole article needs to be better written in fact. -- Amit 16:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Also added tag (Unverfied) to the "Outlook" section -- Amit 16:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Population

The population figure has been nearly doubled without a comment on the talk page. Can someone please verify it? Amit 05:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Seriously ?

Do we really need a list of all the residential properties in gurgaon ? They even mention that some of them are under construction. This in my opinion is absurd. This is an encyclopedia, not a property\classified website. Please look into this.

Vijeth 10:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I deleted it. Could somebody local trim the hotel and malls lists? --Orange Mike | Talk 22:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The pronunciation is Gudgaon and not Gurgaon. The pronunciation .ogg should reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.43.83 (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop adding images

I'm sorry to be "shouting," but please! We do NOT need so many images randomly placed everywhere. I'm not going to take the time to go through the history to find out who is responsible, but please. Just stop it. Vamooom (talk) 23:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Start removing images

For the ones that aren't already on it, I am now beginning to transwiki the images that aren't on the Commons and move them there, make a gallery there, then use that "Wikimedia Commons has media related to" box thing instead. ViperSnake151 15:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Shopping malls / Amount of images

Don't edit war 12345, discuss things on talk page isntead. On the main points of removing most of the images, and the list of shopping malls I agree with ViperSnake151. Wikipedia articles are not photo albums, nor should they contain list of miscellaneous facts. Species8473 (talk) 19:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


Discuss changes

To avoid any more edit wars pl discuss changes made to thsi article on the the discussion page so regular contributers can discuss the changes.Manaspunhani (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Planning to copy the list of shopping malls back to this article

I would like to add the list of shopping malls which has the entite list to this page once again..Enthusiast10 (talk) 06:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, this list takes half the article in size, is of little significance to the article, and is already available to readers via a link. Species8473 (talk) 13:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Species8473 that the shopping mall list shouldn't be kept on the page,

Manaspunhani (talk) 11:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Delhi Addition

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 13:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Planning to add a section "aviation Boom"

Planning to add a section called Aviation Boom, which basically will state how two airlines MDLR Airlines and IndiGo Airlines have made their basses and headquarters in Gurgaon. should I add a new section or add this info in the Economy Section. Enthusiast10 talk 12:33, 04 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't. Your changes are making this article worse. This is not the place to express your personal opinion. ViperSnake151 20:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
agreed, we are NOT producing some form of glossy travel guide. --Allemandtando (talk) 20:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Creation of Haryana

The article states "Gurgaon remained a part of the state of Punjab but after the bloody Punjab insurgency, it became a part of the newly created state of Haryana." The "bloody Punjab insurgency" link points to a Wikipedia article that states that the insurgency started in 1970. Given that Punjab was divided in 1966 into three parts - Haryana, Punjab and Himachal Pradesh (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Suba), the "bloody insurgency" originating in 1970 has no relevance and the link should be removed. Instead, one could say something like Haryana was created when Punjab was trifurcated after a protracted agitation. The agitation word then can be linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Suba.

The insurgency starting 1970 and dying out in 1990s was a separate movement from the demand for Punjabi Suba, which led to the formation of Haryana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JaspreetJ (talk • contribs) 19:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The Imperial Gazetteer of India 1909

Here is a link of The Imperial Gazetteer of India, 1909, History of Gurgaon district which has historic documentation of Gurgaon district, followed by that of [Gurgaon Town. Imperial Gazetteer of India, v. 12, p. 411. Relevant info can be picked up from here. (Ekabhishek (talk) 17:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC))

What do BPO and KPO mean?

Neither BPO nor KPO seem to point at anything relevant to things that would dot a cityscape. Obviously they must be some sort of entity that is not listed. Please disambiguate to help those of us who are not current on Indian city jargon. Thanks! —Donal Fellows (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Done! See image in section 'Urbanism'. Wiki-uk (talk) 14:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Further clean-up

A lot of this article is unsourced, so I suggest that we work on that next - finding sources before adding any more material.

I agree...the mytho logy part about "Guru-gram" needs to be referenced, IMHO. 98.221.192.91 (talk) 11:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I suppose you don't live in Gurgaon. Guru-gram was the name of Gurgaon after it got disambiguated.Mr.A (talk) 10:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Advertising

The , gurgoaonscoop website in external links looks inappropriate to me. I'm going to remove it unless someone can give a good reason to keep it. Amit (talk) 12:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess yo should get rid of it. I don't see a point in keeping it. Vijeth 10:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I had to remove lots of links to external websites that were within the content. Had also removed the incorrect category called International Schools and merged all those in the list into the High School list. Also converted few links into references. This is the first warning to the contributors who come to this wiki and just list their school names. We already have a long list of school and its only getting bigger. This page is not a directory for Gurgaon Schools. Make a new page which lists such items. thevikas (talk) 06:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed another set of images include the DLF thing at the first page itself. Also cleaned and removed some sentences which is a opinion of the writer. Most such work needs to be done. thevikas (talk) 09:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Again, I noticed that the page is filled up with least 10 images! I would feel that we should add more readable neutral content rather than images or discussion about our own opinions. thevikas (talk) 16:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Have removed more school names shown in the main page. This is not a school listing page. Moved those names to the special page. Also removed names written as examples. Also wondering to remove private education institutions from this page. 122.161.71.64 (talk) 18:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Too much explanation and suspected wrong facts

This article, I think, contains too much jargon about Gurgaon.
Keeping this in mind, I had edited a few things, but it was reverted. I too live in Gurgaon and know the plus and minus points.
The security of Gurgaon hasn't even been mentioned!
I suppose we have to make edits to make people living in other places know about the condition of Gurgaon.
This article is all about the good things of Gurgaon.
When people from other places come and see this place, after seeing what has been written on the article,
they would really be disappointed after seeing the cows on the road and the bad maintenance.
As I have already said, I live in Gurgaon, I mean no offense and this is my opinion. At Wikipedia, only encyclopedic content is available
which does not match with this article. Please make any edits applicable from your side people! Mr.A (talk) 10:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree, Gurgaon has serious issues that make headlines daily: The powerproblems, waterproblems and security being top issues. The article is not a right depiction of this city. Loes001 (talk) 05:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree too, with Mr.A KuwarOnline Talk 08:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

History

The following edit has just been undone. The editor was unregistered and replaced the existing text with the one as follows (diff). The same set of text was also added in Rohtak (diff) and therefore has created doubts on authenticity. thevikas (talk) 11:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Since the Aryan migration through current times Gurgaon is dominated by the Jats race. Jats, like the citizens of ancient Roman alternated between farming and fighting for their lands in this part of the world for centuries. This fierce race had been the buffer by default shielding Hindus from foreign Islamic invasions from the west. Jats have cultivated and protected the lands in and between 'Punjab region' and 'doab' (two rivers Yamuna and Ganga - this region today includes New Delhi, Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Uttaranchal, Pakistani Punjab, Pakistani Sindh).


"Gurgaon is dominated by Yadavs" source times of india

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/gurgaon/Caste-factor-may-decide-Mayor-election/articleshow/8427060.cms Sumitkachroo (talk) 07:17, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

NYT article

Hi! I found:

It talks a lot about how Gurgaon came to be WhisperToMe (talk) 04:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevant, out of Context Images and Misrepresentation.

Lets analyze each image, which i believe most of us will agree to irrelevant and out of context and misrepresenting..

1. under villages section.. a image namely "cows and nursing calves in gurgaon".. which is basically stray cows in gurgaon(image name).... what pecularity does it tells about villages in Gurgaon..?? In Every city in india one can find stray cows!

2. under infrastructure section.. images namely "high rise under construction"... an infrastructure represents already existing and not under contruction... moreover the images represents more of plight of labour which is common to entire india.

3. under industry> Delhi Mumbai Industrial Corridor Project image namely Roadside construction in Gurgaon... question is what it represents?? but the content is talking about "Delhi Mumbai Industrial Corridor Project" and NOT road side construction.

4. under urbanism a image "A traumatized rhesus macaque mother and infant in illegal road side show in Gurgaon." it does not makes any sense. its not an article about treatment on animals!

5. under transportation an image namely.."Newly finished side walk in Gurgaon."... it really does not make sense.. its not unique or peculiar to this city... every develpoed city has good roads and sidewalk too. This is just an unnecessary and excessive image.

6. under bus terminal... an image namely "Bus passengers rooftop in Gurgaon.".. this article conveys utterly wrong information that in gurgaon public travel on roof tops of bus, which is definitely not the case, its just another unnecessary and irrelevant image causing wrong information.

7. under healthcare.. an image namely "Women construction workers in Gurgaon.".. how its relevant to healthcare?? there are woman construction workers in most of india and in most part of world. does working woamn an issue of healthcare?

I missed a few images which i think is further add up for misrepresentation.

Its my firm belief based on analysis that the inserted images are irrelevant, unnecessary and convey utterly wrong and bias information. As wiki is known for to its standards conveying such distorted and wrong information is very well against the ethics of wiki.

i will request all users to kindly convey their views. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatbuddha (talk • contribs) 18:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't agree with any point you have made. The birds are no more representative of villages than the stray cows are, likely a lot less. The article is mostly a airbrushed sanitized tourist brochure devoid of human presence. I have restored the more important element to the article—the people of Gurgaon—which sadly for the image makers are not executives living in the never-never land of high-rises and whiskey-soda. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:01, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear Fowler&Fowler i would request you to kindly explain the relevance of these images in context. Is villages represented by 'stray cows'?? definitely not... I never talked about 'executives living in the never-never land of high-rises and whiskey-soda.', all the matter of fact is misrepresentation and the information conveyed by images. i would request you to kindly elaborate on the points raised by me above. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatbuddha (talk • contribs) 19:10, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I will soon create new sections for which these images will become relevant. Please give me some time. The article as it now stands reads like a advertisement for the call-center and other industry based in Gurgaon. It needs to be remedied. Where are the ordinary people of Gurgaon? The ones you see walking on the street, not being driven in cars with tinted windows. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear Fowler&Fowler till then i would request you to remove all irrelevant and out of context images so as to make coherence and relevance to the article which stands as of now. Most important is that article should not be distorted and unconnected, where content and image founds no subtle connection. Hence based on our discussion i request that article be reverted back prior to your recent edits. thanks.. GreatBuddha 19:55, 24 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatbuddha (talk • contribs)

I'm afraid not. It says nowhere on Wikipedia that articles (especially shabbily written ones such as Gurgaon) need to be at all times in a state of cohesion. The old version is in a perennial state of bias. Why is that any better. I had added an underconstruction tag. I will be working on it off and on for a few weeks. Please be patient. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:42, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Removal of gallery images

The gallery of images was removed [1], and has repeatedly been removed by anonymous users.

I do not know why it was removed; can we please discuss it here? Is there any reason why it should be removed, or do you think it needs changing?

Please note: while we discuss it, please don't change it again. (See WP:EW) Thanks,  Chzz  ►  17:57, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Well the whole poverty section is undue. Every city has poor people we dont need to show it here. I dont understand why its been added again here. Every country has poor people for instance take e.g. US it has 25% people living under poverty, so do we need to show them?. Adding them here gives sign of that few users like User:Fowler&fowler try to defame city. KuwarOnline Talk 00:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
The dispute began a few weeks ago, when I was looking for a home for an image, File:Girl playing drum, Gurgaon RS, India.jpg, which had been selected for the final round of "demographics" images for the India page, but which didn't make the final cut. Since the image shows a girl playing the drums at the train station in Gurgaon, I naturally came to this page. Finding no pictures of people here, I added the picture right away. Then I went looking for some more and before long had found quite a few, which I also added. However the pictures were soon deleted. Granted, I may have gone overboard a little, but I suspect some people on Wikipedia don't want the underbelly of Gurgaon to be advertised. Gurgaon is the call-center and back-office capital of North India and perhaps the underbelly is not good for business. This back and forth has been going on since that day. I have been meaning to add text to the article, text I had in mind when I originally selected the images, but keep getting distracted by other things. I grant that a gallery of images without any special context is not very informative, but the pictures still give a feel for the place. It is not a poverty section, though I don't see anything undue about showing poverty if it is there. I feel it is a bizarre city page. No people anywhere. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
As the person who has selected most of the images nominated for the different sections of the India page (see for example Talk:India/Archive_35#Fowler.26fowler.27s_images, Talk:India#Simplified_Demographics_Proposal, Talk:India#Nominations) I find it odd that if the images are acceptable for the Featured Article India the second-most popular country page on Wikipedia and the 15-th-most popular page overall, they have become "poverty" fare on the shabby Gurgaon page?
Well I can do same thing, like adding People working in Call center, office, people talking on cell phones in station area, people travelling in there BMW, Lamborghini, astin martin, Rolls-Royce, Ferrari ...etc, people living in multi million home and so on....but the fundamental question is do we really need to show? Every big city has that kind of people, but why only show poor ones? let me ask you one question, You must have seen New York/Landon or any big city, there are lots of beggars, in metro/tube station area do we really wanna show them on there articles? similar thing here is on this page, a girl playing an instrument, I can take pic of same kind in NY beggars and add to there article, but certainly I wont do that because I know that every big city on earth has poor and rich people. No need to show something which is common everywhere. I never saw any public transport (Bus) in Gurgaon, I dont know from where you got that pic showing people travelling on roof of bus, trust me, I am living in this city from 3 years, Public transport is almost none here, very few and most buses runs by DTC not by Gurgaon Transport. If you want to show transport issue you can find pic where people travel in 3 wheeler for short distance add them I certainly wont mind showing that actual reality and different from other cities. KuwarOnline Talk 08:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid the long June 2011 New York Times article about Gurgaon, In India, Dynamism Wrestles With Dysfunction, by Jim Yardly speaks to the good and the bad. They have a video right at the top of the article, which shows a lot more "poverty" than my pictures do. It has a slide show as well, which shows a range of subjects and scenes. I am afraid my pictures complement the slick and sleek pictures already there in the article. Please reinstate them. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I cannot understand your reason here, how can you compare a newspaper website with an encyclopedic site like wiki? WorLD8115 (TalK) 16:14, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
You mean an article written by a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, Jim Yardley, with a hack-job (on the battlefield of whose talk page we have met)? Like I said, please put the images back in. Last polite request. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I wonder why Fowler&Fowler always go roundabout the issue. He is being asked the very logic behind these pics, he cites the article by Jim Yardley, well one can find articles/ documentaries representing grim picture for almost every main city in India/ world, than shall we include these articles on wiki?? Every city in India/most of world suffers from poverty which is more generic in nature, than why such grim representation for Gurgaon only?? Clearly this is an attempt to misrepresent and defame the city. GreatBuddha 12:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatbuddha (talk • contribs)

potential resource

16 Global Cities to Watch; From Singapore to Christchurch, the urban centers that are shaping the next century. by Edward Glaeser, Saskia Sassen December 2011 Foreign Policy ...

2) Gurgaon. The growing IT center on the edge of New Delhi, which provides a vision of a considerably more middle-class India housed in tall structures that are less constricted by India's often awful land-use restrictions. —EG.

99.181.131.59 (talk) 05:24, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Some portions need a relook

The part about security situation in Gurgaon and the bad roads is too subjective and based on the writer's opinion. I live in Gurgaon and have no security concerns. The roads have been relaid across most of the city and I see no issues with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.162.99.170 (talk) 03:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Traffic's a nightmare, but it's pretty safe. Appropos of nothing, the formatting on this page is buggered, and I've no idea how to fix it. Baggie 00:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


Yes, I agree. The article needs to be wikified. Can someone put up the appropriate tag, so that it may be fixed ? I will wait for a while before doing so myself. Any issues ? Vijeth 09:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Could someone please inform the writer that "Hero Honda" is not a "car manufacturer"?? Honda is basically a car manufacturing company but in India they have Joint Venture with Hero Group for Manufacturing of Bikes (Motor-Cycles). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marsconsulting (talk • contribs) 11:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

climate

no information provided --41.151.204.67 (talk) 20:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Under "Geography and Climate", there is no information on climate at whatsoever. Are the summers hot, are the winters cold? Or is it hot and mild there all the time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 01:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Food n Fun Amusement Park

As an English speaker, this sentence makes no sense to me:

>A vast greenary in the park makes our hearts to fly like a birds, many kinds of joy-rides, water pools and water-rides (visitors can rent swim suits, and rent lockers to keep their valuable possessions), Crafts bazar etc. drags legs towards them.

Can someone please fix this? 66.246.173.34 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:49, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

one sentence subsections - worse than useless

a user keeps inserting subsection headings into the transportation section creating half a dozen one sentence subsections claiming it helps navigation. It doesnt. It merely makes the TOC much longer to navigate through making it MORE difficult to navigate the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

This is discouraged by the second paragraph of MOS:PARAGRAPHS, in particular "the number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized', since they can inhibit the flow of the text..... single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading; in such circumstances, it may be preferable to use bullet points." Green Giant (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Sex ratio in demographics?

The Demographics section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurgaon#Demographics has a sentence that says "Gurgaon has a sex ratio is 844." I would correct the syntax, but I really have no idea what this reference actually means. Srnelson (talk) 22:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Sex Ratio is the number of females per 1000 males. Utkar22 (talk) 12:58, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Images

Okay, I really love images - they make an article look good, and they're often difficult to obtain. But I think the Gurgaon page has more images than text. Either we need to expand the text, or put a lot of the images into some sort of image gallery located at the bottom of the page, as has been done on the Great Wall of China page. If no one objects, should I start moving a few of the images into a gallery (if nothing else, so that the page displays and formats correctly)? Vamooom (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I've moved a gargantuan number of images into the gallery, reformatted the page, and fixed the display issues it was having earlier. However, although we have many images of skyscrapers and such, we need pictures of government buildings, some of the universities located in/around Gurgaon, etc. Vamooom (talk) 22:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd like better images to be added to the page Katnikita (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2016

The title of this page Gurgaon has been changed by haryana Government to Gurugram. So,Please change the name to 'Gurugram' Shubham2207 (talk) 12:37, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Please see the discussion in the previous section. Has anything changed since then? Uanfala (talk) 12:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2016

Medical tourism citation needed could be referenced to [1] Rajagopalanc (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

 Done, I added the link but left the tag because the claim in the earlier part of the paragraph could use a link. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.ibef.org/download/Health-Tourism_091211.pdf

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2016

Please change the population listed under "Demographics":

From: Gurgaon municipal corporation area has an estimated population of 876,824 as per 2011 India census.

To: Gurgaon municipal corporation area has an estimated population of 886,519 as per 2011 India census.

The population mentioned in the article intro does not specify how the population is measured, but under the "demographics" section, the article clearly mentions that the population is for the Municipal corporation area, for which the population estimate is different, see this source from the government census: http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/dchb/0618_PART_B_DCHB_GURGAON.pdf

Randomlysid (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

The number you cite seems to be the city + outskirts. I've used [http://www.census2011.co.in/census/city/46-gurgaon.html this ref] to make the edit. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 08:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Section on Economy

The Economy section doesn't read very well. I am willing to contribute my time to work on it. But I am extremely new here and also I don't think I have permissions to change the content (I need to be auto-confirmed or something, it seems). In any case, as I get confirmed, I can contribute. I do need help, guidance, ideas - maybe someone can help define sub-sections which I can create and expand upon. Amiwikieditor (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Archival of talk page content and improving the quality scale rating

Can someone more experienced then me archive some of the content on this Talk page - there is content from 2007 which I am not sure if even valid anymore? Also, how do I go about changing this article to improve it's quality-scale rating. I am willing to put in some time if someone can just guide me. Let's create a list of tasks. Then I and others can take them on one-by-one. Amiwikieditor (talk) 17:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 3 December 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. I would echo the points made by Andrewa below. This proposal lacks valid backing in reliable sources or WP:AT, and hence hasn't been able to gain consensus. While it is true that the city has been officially renamed, our policy on article titles asks us to use the common name in English, and no evidence has been provided to show that the new official name meets that criterion. A cursory Google News search suggests that 'Gurgaon' retains significant currency in RS, if not dominance in them, demonstrating that one source documenting the official change is not grounds for changing this article's title. If an editor feels he can make a new case based on usage in English reliable sources, I would encourage him to do so. (non-admin closure) RGloucester — ☎ 17:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


Gurgaon → Gurugram – Per sources added to the article, Gurgaon has officially been known as Gurugram since September 27, 2016. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Support - Per recently approved name change supported by this source. Meatsgains (talk) 16:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment it does seem that the name is official, but for at least 2-3 years we need to keep Gurgaon गुड़गाँव in the infobox to help readers who can't keep up with name changes. Is Gurgaon district also officially renamed? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment : per WP:COMMONNAME it should be Gurgaon and the official name field should be updated with Gurugram.--Vin09 (talk) 10:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. No valid rationale or arguments given whatsoever, it's all based on a recent change to the official name and that doesn't count for much, which takes many completely by surprise, that's the whole reason that the essay was written. See also WP:correct, and of course the Wikipedia:article naming policy (WP:AT to its friends), and please note especially that there are many places in which contributors are urged to read WP:AT before raising or supporting requested moves, and to base their rationale and !votes on WP:AT. Andrewa (talk) 16:03, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Notable People

This sections talks about notable people from different sections of the society those who are living in Gurgaon Pparashar81 (talk) 06:31, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 21 April 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa (talk) 23:38, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

– Requesting this move since the name of the city and district has been officially changed and it has been mostly uncontroversial with media and businesses cooperating by accepting new name along with the government. Gurugram page was created and used as redirect to Gurgaon so I am unable to move page due to overwriting; hence requesting this move. JayB91 (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose per previous RM. Evidence from newspapers and books required. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:23, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm sympathetic to the request but this from the Times of India is interesting. It talks about how the name change has been largely ignored by business, celebrities such as Raftaar and residents (some government agencies haven't even changed). On the other hand there are some newspaper results that mention Gurugram but many more use Gurgaon. AusLondonder (talk) 07:18, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose I have seen many business adverts from the city, mostly everyone is still using Gurgaon. Even city district website is gurgaon.nic.in. Shobhit Gosain Talk 08:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
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The Heritage School name in Education header has been changed to Heritage Xperiential Learning School Toamitchopra (talk) 11:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 11:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Not done—No consensus in the favour of move. (non-admin closure)  samee  talk 06:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


Gurgaon → Gurugram – A similar earlier proposal by someone else was declined, mainly because then recent official name change was still going through the early adoption curve. Since then one year has passed, name has been truly embraced by media in reporting, most websites, and public also. As more time passes by, the new name is going to be more reinforced. As public memory fades, within few years Gurugram will cease to be used.

In English alone, there are 8,270,000 google hits on Gurugram, 331,000 news articles, 1760 in books.

In Hindi local native language, new name गुरुग्राम has 2,000,000 google hits and 74,000 google news hits, and there will be lot more in other native Indian languages.

On major websites (such as tripadvisor, makeMytrip) and reputed businesses (such as marrotte hotel), etc all use the new name Gurugram, and so do the govt websites.

Just move it. Please do not waste the time in discussing petty stuff. Use the time fruitfully in improving articles.

Further action: It is commonsensical to move to Gurugram, this article as well as all related articles and categories, such as (New Gurgaon, Gurgaon division, Gurgaon district, Gurgaon (Lok Sabha constituency), List of companies based in Gurgaon, Cyber City, Gurgaon, Ambience Mall Gurgaon, Gurugram Bhim Kund, Rapid Metro Gurgaon, Palra, Gurgaon, Amity University, Gurgaon, Great Lakes Institute of Management, Gurgaon, and many more.

Thanks. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 13:42, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

times of india seems to use gurugram Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:25, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Times of India uses both, sometimes in the same article. Dekimasuよ! 18:40, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support name change Every major newspaper, television, names of area is referred as Gurugram nowadays. Whats the point of not changing this non-controversial name just because some random singular piece of opinionated POV article. If we start keeping old non-official names just "because they were known" we will have all places on earth known by their ancient names on wikipedia. JayB91 (talk) 02:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
  • No particular opinion on this request, but the request does not show that the new name is more common. As for the other pages mentioned, it does not show that the names of those things have been changed, officially or otherwise, and they were not part of the nomination, so I oppose moving any of those based upon this discussion (or attempting to require whoever closes it to go around trying to find "all related articles and categories"). "Just move it. Do not waste time discussing petty stuff" is textbook WP:SOFIXIT; Wikipedia is a volunteer service. Dekimasuよ! 18:40, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose point-by-point:
  • In English alone, Gurgaon far outnumbers Gurugram on total hits (28,700,000), news articles (1,590,000 just in the last 12 months), and books (240,000).
  • In Hindi and local languages: not relevant when there are plenty of English sources to rely on.
  • On major websites: "major" is a purely subjective value judgment, and is not really helpful. The government websites are WP:OFFICIALNAMEs, which are not what we use until common usage in English catches up.
  • Just move it: No.
  • Further action: Clearly not warranted, given that this requested move should not be granted.--Aervanath (talk) 21:42, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
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Etymology

Someone please either find a good source or remove the sentence, "The land came to be known as Gurugram ". In all likelihood, the village did not exist at the time pure Sanskrit was spoken in the area (which was not after 500 BC). Gurugrama in all certainty is a modern back-translation to Sanskrit. — kashmīrī TALK 00:45, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Done per WP:BOLD. — kashmīrī TALK 18:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2019

Need to add photo

File:DLF-CyberHub.jpg
DLF CyberHub
File:DLF-Vodafone-station.jpg
DLF CyberCity

Navi guy (talk) 13:22, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. There are already tons of photos, including similar ones to these. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2019

In the Public Transportation section, please add some information about the Gurugraman bus service, which has been started in mid 2018. The ticket prices range for INR 10 to INR 30 and it is expected that this fleet will be 200 buses strong by 2019. It is also worthy to note: All buses of the Gurugraman service run on Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) and are equipped with sevearl modern features, like Smart Card Ticketing system, real time Passenger Information System (PIS), Intelligent Transport Management System (ITMS), Automatic Bus Vehicle Location System, CCTV cameras, public address system and stop request buttons and wheelchair ramp.

More information can be found at: http://www.millenniumpost.in/delhi/second-route-of-gurugraman-bus-services-launched-328776 VaishaliSingh91 (talk) 06:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. the request must be of the form "change X to Y".SovalValtos (talk) 08:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

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High time to move the page

It's been 3 years since the name was changed in April 2016. 3 YEARS. All the public signboards, newspaper and even locals have caught up with the name. Officially and physically no Gurgaon exists anywhere on the maps and GPS. Astana was moved to Nur-Sultan in mere months whereas Gurugram is still called it by historical name since LAST 3 YEARS with the same redundant WP:Commonname arguement when Gurugram has now gradually become the common name! Indian Bias much? Those citing Gurgaon is still used in informal way need to understand that Bombay is still used informally for Mumbai, Madras is still used informally for Chennai but are those page still called by those hisotrical names? No? We need to move this page as soon as possible to Gurugram to avoid looking regressive stubborn lot as it makes no sense to keep a NOT Common or official name to the page anymore. 117.205.194.106 (talk) 05:58, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Here is a different project and its participants perhaps view 3 years as a really insignificant time in India's history - much like 3 days in Astana's... — kashmīrī TALK 18:47, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2019

Please append the following at the end of 3rd para in the history section:

Other British colonial era historic buildings include "The Gurugram Club" - a 3 room building surrounded by the lawn and currently run by the Zila Parishad is under the threat of demolition, and the earstwhile "Coronation School" now renamed to the "Government Boys’ Senior Secondary School" - one of the 13 school established in India in 1911 to commemorate the coronation of King George V.[1] During 1980s, the airstrip and hangar, air conditioned yoga ashram and TV studio were built on outskirts of Gurugram by former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's favorite godman and yoga guru Dhirendra Brahmachari.[2][3] The former Prime Minister Chandra Shekhar established his own ashram near this airstrip in 1983 on 600 acre of panchayat land, where another godman Chandraswami and godman's associate Adnan Khashoggi (a Saudi Arabian billionaire international arms dealer embroiled in various scandals) use to visit him.[4][5]
222.164.212.168 (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done Sceptre (talk) 22:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Architectural remnants of the Raj, Hindustan Times, 2 Sept 2019.
  2. ^ 1990, "The Illustrated Weekly of India.", The Times Group, Volume 111, Issues 13-25, p. 35.
  3. ^ Ajay Kumar, "Family of Indira's favourite godman locked in multi-crore land battle.", Daily Mail, 11 December 2014.
  4. ^ 1996, "India Today", - Volume 21, Issues 7-12, p. 122.
  5. ^ "Creating a stir.", India Today, 28 February 1991.

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2019

Gurugram is known to be blessed land by Mahashivji in the Kalyuga. Gurugram is the city with positive vibes & devotees of Mahashivji are protected in this land, hence the name Gurugram, meaning "Guru's Village" Urvashi20sharma (talk) 12:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Could you point to reliable sources for this? – Thjarkur (talk) 12:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 Not done, closing — kashmīrī TALK 14:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 4 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 06:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Gurgaon → Gurugram – In line with WP common.

Official name used by the central govt, has been for over 3 years now.

Google Trends showing web search for "Gurgaon" vs "Gurugram" over the past 5 years: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=IN&q=Gurugram,Gurgoan

Google trends for news search: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=IN&gprop=news&q=Gurugram,Gurgoan

Google trends for YouTube search: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=IN&gprop=youtube&q=Gurugram,Gurgoan

NGram not used due to latest statistics being 2008, years before Gurugram became the official name. Hindian1947 (talk) 08:07, 4 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Your searches are flawed because they use "Gurgoan" instead of "Gurgaon". When this is fixed, there is no such trend. Gurgaon remains much more common. Also, worldwide data should be used. Dekimasuよ! 15:46, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
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Why it's not Gurugram yet

After it was announced that the government of Haryana has approved the proposal to change Gurgaon's name to Gurugram, we've been seeing quite a few people trying to rename the article. The trouble is it's still a proposal and there's a long way to go before it's officially Gurugram:

The ruling coalition will table a non-official resolution in the Assembly for the name change. Once adopted, the resolution will be sent to the Centre. The Union home ministry will then forward it to the President for his assent since its needs an amendment of the First Schedule of the Constitution. Once it gets the President’s nod, the Centre will table a Bill in Parliament that has to be passed by two-thirds majority on both Houses. Until then, Gurgaon will keep its name.

— http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/gurgaon-still-a-long-way-from-gurugram/story-TOW59Th1nf2Oly48UEsEiI.html

Uanfala (talk) 20:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Hindustan Times is not really a good source for making an argument or posting a comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.242.67.13 (talk) 06:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Can you link to an article about the matter in a better source? Uanfala (talk) 09:40, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Does anyone out there have any thoughts about the matter? Dinesh.kaundal (talk · contribs) has recently replaced some instances of Gurgaon with Gurugram. I'm wary of reverting as I don't really follow the news and I can't stay informed. A recent article tells us that the local Police force has switched to using Gurugram in its official name, while reminding us that there's still a long way to go before the district is renamed. On the district's website [gurgaon.gov.in] there doesn't appear to be any mention of the new name either. Uanfala (talk) 20:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Additionally, WP:COMMONNAME/WP:OFFICIALNAME applies. Most coverage of the city still refers to it as Gurgaon. ViperSnake151  Talk  00:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

"" Okay, I've seen an increased number of local sources using the name "Gurugram" now, despite it still not being truly the official name. Think we could make a COMMONNAME assertion? ViperSnake151  Talk  15:54, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Whether or not its name has officially changed, the opening words make no sense: "Gurugram (also known as Gurugram)". Should this be "Gurugram (also known as Gurgaon)" or "Gurgaon (also known as Gurugram)"? Zeno27 (talk) 13:06, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I see a Government of India website with the name Gurugram. Does this mean it is official? [2]. Also see the official website of Municipal Corporation of city where they refer the city as Gurugram and not Gurgaon [3] Exploreandwrite (talk) 10:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2020

Gurgaon is developing day by day. For far too long India has neglected the reality of urbanization and the issues that come with it. It’s time to give due attention to urban areas to make them work. India’s urbanization is not only a challenge but also an opportunity, provided we can make it work. Gurgaon not only has tall offices and buildings but a developing infrastructure. Akshat00700 (talk) 11:57, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not doneIt is unclear what changes you're proposing to the article. Please state them in the form of "Change X to Y" and provide reliable sources to back up your changes. --regentspark (comment) 14:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Please change to Gurugram

I request someone to change the title of this page and its related page (Gurgaon district, Gurgaon division, etc.) to Gurugram. I am aware of the common names rule. As I searched up Gurugram today, I saw that most of the major media outlets are websites are now using the name Gurugram. Along with that, people are slowly starting to use Gurugram instead of Gurgaon. It has been almost 4 years since the name change, but Wikipedia is still using Gurgaon. If a popular website like Wikipedia changed its article's name, it will help people get accustomed to the new name and ease the transition from the old name to the new name. If we never change the article name, then there is no point in the name change. We cannot keep hanging on to the old name. There will always be people from the older generation who still use the name Gurgaon, but the younger generation and many people are now starting to use Gurugram. Hence, I request someone to make this change. Thank You. Minal75 (talk) 22:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: there is no consensus for this alteration. Please read the discussion, including in the Archives of this page, it makes clear why there should be no change for now. — kashmīrī TALK 23:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020

Gurgaon MLA : Sudhir Singla(BJP) 2405:204:3313:C351:FB09:E600:297D:9D33 (talk) 03:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. And please write a full sentence too... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Is this source reliable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD0bR7JXI6k FizzoXD (talk) 06:03, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Using Youtube as a source is not normally done (WP:VIDEOREF). The video does cite a number of sources, so if they support what the video states and are themselves WP:RS, those could be used instead, as secondary sources are usually preferred over tertiary sources like the video (WP:PSTS). Of course, if doing that then care must be taken to not simply paraphrase the video. INDT (talk) 06:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2022

There has also been an increase in crime detection, especially from 2019 to 2020. [1] Rehatt16 (talk) 21:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. casualdejekyll 22:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/gurgaon/more-crimes-detected-last-year-than-in-2019/articleshow/80077744.cms

Article name should be changed from Gurgaon to Gurugram

As everyone knows in Wikipedia, since 2016 the name Gurgaon has been changed to Gurugram. So the name of the article should be changed to Gurugram and Gurgaon should be a redirect. RayAdvait (talk) 05:31, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Would require an RfC for move here in the talk page. There were three RfCs in the past as you can see [here] and the result was not moved. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
@RayAdvait Pls go through the recent discussions at Talk:Gurgaon/Archive 1. — kashmīrī TALK 11:15, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2022

Gurgaon Was Ruled By Jat King Maharaja Surajmal After the capture of delhi Maharaja Surajmals Son Maharaja Jwahar Singh Made A Temple In Village Gurgaon 103.95.83.111 (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — kashmīrī TALK 16:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

RfC to change the article name to Gurugram

As everyone knows in Wikipedia, since 2016 the name Gurgaon has been changed to Gurugram. So the name of the article should be changed to Gurugram and Gurgaon should be a redirect. The name of the article has been outdated for 6 years and please change the name. RayAdvait (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Please follow the advice you received in the preceding section. — kashmīrī TALK 18:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Kashmiri, we cannot retain former name, the current name is Gurugram and not Gurgaon. Why do we need rfc ? it is common sense? If that is the case, then we should retain the city names Bombay and Madras. The advise received in preceding section is some editor's personal opinion. Personal opinions doesn't work in this case. The Govt officially designated it as Gurugram city in (Gurugram District) - https://gurugram.gov.in/department/municipal-corporation-gurugram/ Fostera12 (talk) 09:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Official name is Gurugram

Hi to whomsoever it may concern. We cannot retain former names of cities, the current name is Gurugram and not Gurgaon. Why do we need rfc ? it is common sense? If that is the case, then we should retain the city names Bombay and Madras. The advise received in preceding section is some editor's personal opinion. Personal opinions doesn't work in this case. News paper articles can write anything, they just take info from wikipedia, it is called mirroring of wikipedia. Coming to books and articles, there are still millions of articles calling cities as Bombay and Madras before their official name change. You cant take it as a standard, and forcefully rub your opinions on other editors. Your personal interest with Gurgaon instead of Gurugram cannot be endorsed by other editors. The Govt officially designated it as Gurugram city in (Gurugram District) - https://gurugram.gov.in/department/municipal-corporation-gurugram/ And why should we endorse somebody's personal preference Gurgaon in Infobox Fostera12 (talk) 14:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

This has been discussed before: go to Talk:Gurgaon/Archive 1 and search for "requested move" to see the last four discussions. The last one was in 2020, so it's not too early to reconsider the case by starting another discussion. See WP:RM#CM for how to do that. But first, you need to be aware of the article naming policy, and especially the explanatory essay Wikipedia:Official names. – Uanfala (talk) 14:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Most of this just ignores and some of it blatantly contradicts Wikipedia policy, which represents a great deal of work and consensus by many editors.
But you do make a good point regarding citeogenesis. While Wikipedia is not a reliable source, many reliable sources reflect Wikipedia. But if they do, they reflect a change in the English language. And there's no reason that our article names should not reflect that change once it has occurred, even if we have been part of it. They should not anticipate it, and certainly should not attempt to produce change however much we might want to support it. But after the fact, we should reflect it.
Other citeogenesis incidents are problematic, but not this sort. Andrewa (talk) 00:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi request you to initiate new discussion here WP:RM#CM, I went through it but im not clear how to do it, you help initiate the topic, and I will take it forward Fostera12 (talk) 15:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

The detailed how-to is at WP:RSPM. But before initiating such a proposal, I would really advise you to read the previous discussions and project pages I've linked above. If you don't address the issues there, the proposal is likely to get rapidly shot down again. – Uanfala (talk) 16:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
In one of the move requests that took place several years ago, I noted in response to a comment about Google Trends that "Gurgaon" remained more common than "Gurugram". That appears to remain the case. The current name of the article is not based upon anyone's personal opinion, but rather upon Wikipedia policies like WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIAL, which on Wikipedia normally take precedence over names mandated by governments. Regarding the application of print sources, our standard is that we follow them rather than tell them what to write, and in the case of something like "Bombay", a title change was made due to a shift in real-world usage after the official name change per WP:NAMECHANGES. If the common name changes then it is unlikely anyone will object to moving the article, but clear evidence of a shift in usage is what is necessary. Dekimasuよ! 16:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Exactly. Andrewa (talk) 23:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
I think that we'll have, at one point, to move Gurgaon to the WP:OFFICIALNAME irrespective of the colloquial usage in India or of Google Trends results. When should it happen? I think it's good to have a discussion soon. — kashmīrī TALK 06:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
You are of course free to raise a requested move, but I suggest that you make a concerted effort to understand WP:OFFICIALNAME which you cite above. It seems to me that it explicitly contradicts the idea that the colloquial usage in India or of Google Trends results should or even can be overlooked as you suggest, and therefore gives no support to your belief that we'll have, at one point, to move Gurgaon to the WP:OFFICIALNAME. So I give the move no hope of happening. But that's the way to remove any doubt that you have. Andrewa (talk) 10:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Well, WP:COMMONNAME is not the Holy Grail, there are other important considerations when naming articles on Wikipedia. To give a few examples, the article about what was and is commonly called Macedonia is currently titled North Macedonia and earlier was for many years under Republic of Macedonia. Similarly, We used Myanmar from the very beginning, even though the name is contested and Burma/Birma appears more widespread in common usage across the region. The capital of Kazakhstan alternated between Astana and Nursultan as soon as the official name changed. Because there's another convention: WP:MPN – Wikipedia should prefer current place names.
While I did not support an immediate name change of Gurgaon or Allahabad, seeing it as a short-lived propaganda exercise, it appears now, five years down the line, that the new names are gradually taking hold. So, a page move here seems inevitable and is no longer a question of if but of when. — kashmīrī TALK 11:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, consensus can change.
But on the other hand Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We move the article when the common name has changed. Until you have evidence of that I suggest patience. Andrewa (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Let me say it again: common name is not the only criterion. — kashmīrī TALK 15:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
True. I should have said evidence that supports a move in accordance to Wikipedia:article titles, not just evidence.
But may I in turn say again, the official name and other primary sources are not nearly as important as usage in reliable secondary sources, which we take as good evidence of the common name. Andrewa (talk) 21:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
...are not nearly as important as... Please point to a policy that says which of the two (OFFICIALNAME vs COMMONNAME) is more important.
By the way, from the above comment, you don't seem to understand the concept of primary vs secondary sources. — kashmīrī TALK 22:07, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
(Without taking a position on this particular article) WP:AT and, in particular, WP:UCRN are fairly clear that, ceteris paribus, common name is the more important. --RegentsPark (comment) 00:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
You say Please point to a policy that says which of the two (OFFICIALNAME vs COMMONNAME) is more important.... I think user:RegentsPark has already covered this well. It's not hard to find IMO.
You say you don't seem to understand the concept of primary vs secondary sources. Please discuss the content not the contributor. I think you're disagreeing with my statement that primary sources are not nearly as important as usage in reliable secondary sources, which we take as good evidence of the common name. But can you clarify? Do you disagree with that? How exactly? Or if not, what is your point? Andrewa (talk) 04:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
The question of primary vs secondary sourcing does not and did not arise in this move discussion. It's unclear to me why you're mentioning it as if it was an issue, and primarily, what precisely you mean by primary sources in this context. To my understanding, the only primary source for namechange would be the relevant legislative act, however nobody has mentioned it here. — kashmīrī TALK 09:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for answering the last of my questions. But whether you disagree with my statement that primary sources are not nearly as important as usage in reliable secondary sources, which we take as good evidence of the common name is not clear. You don't think it matters, is that your position here? Andrewa (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Why the controversy

I think this discussion might have some underlying causes that might even be worth mentioning in the article. It is not just controversial here on Wikipedia.

The official renaming from Gurgaon to Gurugram in September 2016 is the subject of references 35-39 in the current article. Most of these references seem to describe the failure of the new official name to catch on. Some even express the view that the name Gurgaon will never come into common usage. Andrewa (talk) 06:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Andrewa: Did you mean to day "that the name "Gurugram" will never come into common usage"? --RegentsPark (comment) 14:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
I did. I actually said Some even express the view that the name Gurgaon will never come into common usage. I can't find the exact match for that, there are a lot of references! I should have been explicit before, my bad. But try Shiv Shakti Ranjan, a software professional, who has worked for two Gurgaon-based multi-national companies in the last six years, says, "It doesn't even feel that the name has been changed." "The companies are still using Gurgaon in their address, and in the conversations too, nobody uses Gurugram. It hasn't caught on and I don't think it ever will," he said.
That article also states "After all, Mumbai was called so in Marathi, Calcutta as Kolkata in Bengali by people, but this city was never really called Gurugram. It is a completely alien label and, a label that doesn't go with the essence and ethos of this amazing city, as evident in its non-acceptance in one year," said a resident, who did not wish to be named. https://web.archive.org/web/20171113181538/https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/gurgaon/a-year-after-renaming-gurgaon-still-lives-on/articleshow/58151456.cms
So it's a controversial issue outside of Wikipedia, and we should be very wary here of WP:BALL. Unless there is evidence that the name already has caught on, we should not assume that it ever will, and also be aware that there are those who would like to use Wikipedia to promote the new official name. That's not to say that such POVs are already active here. It is just to say we need to be aware of the danger. Andrewa (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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