Talk:Greenwich, Connecticut/Archive 1

Archive 1

Inaccuracy

I reverted this edit[1] because it didn't look good,however I didn't have time to go out and check the accuracy of the article. Can someone verify? Stu Hacking ^talk 13:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

This should be revised

Both, the Official AENGLC Wealth Value and the CPR AENGLC Wealth Value show Greenwich as having the highest wealth value in Connecticut at over $430,000 per person. About 2.5% of families and 4.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 4.1% of those under age 18 and 3.2% of those age 65 or over.

However, the claim of “wealthiest town” is misleading. Three other nearby towns have higher per capita income and four have higher median household incomes than Greenwich. Per capita income is higher in New Canaan ($82,049), Darien ($77, 519) and Weston ( $74,817) than in Greenwich ($74,346), with Westport ($73,664) almost on par according to the 2007 AENGLC. In addition, according to the CERC town profiles at CT.Gov., the median incomes of these towns in 2005 were: $164,076 for Weston, $160,178 for Darien, $158,091 for New Canaan, $135,542 for Westport and $112,041 for Greenwich, respectively. According to CERC Greenwich also has a higher poverty rate and more subsidized housing than these other towns. However it should be noted that Weston, New Canaan, and Darien have significantly smaller populations then Westport and Greenwich. Towns with larger populations have more people in various income brackets that skew the median income. On the above ranking, the town Weston (which has the smallest population) has the highest median income and the town with the lowest, Greenwich, has the highest population.

The AENGLC is misleading basis on which to claim “wealth” as in the personal wealth of town residents. The AENGLC takes into account residential and commercial real estate in comparing each town’s respective total tax base in order to allocate State aide to poor towns. In Connecticut, public education is funded by local property taxes. Therefore, the AENGLC is used to evaluate a town government's ability to fund public education via property taxes, not the actual wealth of town residents. Since the town of Greenwich has much more commercial real estate that the other affluent local towns, this skews the AENGLC of Greenwich away from the value of residential or personal real estate as compared to the nearby towns.

Greenwich was the highest income place with a population of 60,000 or more in 2000. However, using the list of the 100 richest places in the United States with at least 1,000 households yields a different result. This is the most common list used for referring to the richest communities in the country, as it eliminates any places with insignificant populations. On this list Greenwich ranks 56th after New Canann at 32nd, Darien at 44th, and Weston at 55th. See Highest income places in the United States.

It is very difficult to find out what exactly the median income, and median household income is in this section. In fact, it only talks about how Greenwich isn't the most affluent town.

I have reinserted the standard median/mean income sentences (a direct copy/paste from the Greenwich article from several years back). I also slightly rearranged things in the lengthy section talking about AENGLC. Personally I'm not entirely sure it's appropriate in the article, as it seems to be a group of people going back and forth over town pride, but it can stay since there's no mass outcry against it. 69.182.35.85 09:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Further discussion

Regarding this passage:

"Both the Official AENGLC Wealth Value and the CPR AENGLC Wealth Value show Greenwich as having the highest wealth value in Connecticut at over $430,000 per person. However, the claim of “wealthiest town” is misleading. Three other nearby towns have higher per capita income and four have higher median household incomes than Greenwich. Per capita income is higher in New Canaan ($82,049), Darien ($77,519) and Weston ($74,817) than in Greenwich, with Westport ($73,664) almost on par according to the 2007 AENGLC."

This is an apples-to-oranges comparison. Even if the AENGLC value index yields "misleading" results for other reasons, a comparison of Greenwich's per capita wealth ($430k) with the median incomes of other Connecticut cities is irrelevant to the determination of relative wealth. The nature of wealth is the accumulation of capital over time, not the present income stream.

Mskitchen 11:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)mskitchen

HOLY S***

someone wrote this under the "recreation" section:

"The town has four beaches on the Long Island Sound which are Greenwich Point, Byram Beach, Island Beach (Little Captain's Island), and Great Captain's Island. There are a few rules though, they are as follows: 1. No African Americans 2. No one of Jewish decent AND 3. No White trash. The Greenwich police strictly enforce these rules and violaters will be sent to prison for life for the first two rules and for the third rule they will have to put down the beer."

WHAT AN IDIOT. I've deleted it, but put it under the discussion for the record. I can't believe what racist pigs some people are. It is disgusting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by UDelly (talk • contribs) 14:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Houses of Worship section

I appreciate the effort that someone put into creating and/or adding to the Houses of Worship section, and I have nothing against either houses of worship or even including something about them in this article, but a list simply naming them is contrary to Wikipedia policies, such as WP:NOT. I think History of Greenwich, Connecticut is an appropriate place to mention the founding of individual churches in town, and if there's something that can be said about each, something notable that would be interesting to readers who are not just members of a specific church or synagogue, I'd support putting the item back in. We might even have a paragraph made up of statements about when each church started in town. Anyone who wants to see the list can click on the "History" tab at the top of the article and scroll down to my edit, which occurred just before I wrote this. Noroton 18:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Additional comment: There are, in fact, other lists on this page, but they either have something notable in them (of interest even beyond Greenwich) or the potential to have something of interest beyond this town.Noroton 18:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Removing Jack Nicholson and Adam Sandler from Notable People section

I see absolutely nothing on the Web about either Nicholson or Sandler having homes in Greenwich, and I've never heard of it. If anyone can provide some citation, I'd be happy to have their names back in. I appreciate the work of anyone who contributes to this section, but I suspect these edits are just inaccurate. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.Noroton 18:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandler has a home in Round Hill section, Jack owns a home also in north Greenwich that he uses when on the east coast.

Can this be confirmed anywhere? I'm not a stickler for lots of sourcing, but can anyone else that reads this at least say they know it too? Officially, it could always be edited out by someone who's stricter with the rules than I am, but I'd leave it alone if I had something to back up this comment. And it would help if the editor had a Wikipedia account (since it doesn't show your IP address, you're actually more anonymous with one than without, by the way). Noroton 21:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, did login before. The homes are not primary homes but are owned by them. Like many stars they have homes on the east and west coast because of there travel. I work and live in the area and have met them both at there Greenwich homes. I don't know if you would find anything on the net, stars do not like to publish areas they live in to the public, its a privacy issue. Also left out are many other stars that not many residents even know live here, but the only reason I am keeping Jack and Adam on is because someone else posted it on there and it's true, so I am just backing up there information. (jopn)

Possible Controversy

The following statement I feel is incorrect... "Other neighborhoods or sections of town are Byram, Glenville, Pemberwick, Rock Ridge, Belle Haven, Banksville, Chickahominy, Milbank, Milbrook, and Mianus." The reason I feel this way is that Belle Haven is always considered a section of the city of Stamford, "Milbank and Milbrook" - Both don't have their own Zip Code designation; Mianus and Chickahominy are names of bodies of water/bridges and in my multiple years as a resident of southern Fairfield County, I've never heard anyone use them as "neighborhoods," (don't take offense if I'm wrong, just please provide CITATIONS). Banksville is actually a part of New York State, I know this for three reasons: 1) I have purchased kegs from a small alcohol vendor in Banksville and they have provided me with a New York State keg registration. 2) Do a google search for "Banksville, Connecticut" and a google search for "Banksville, New York," both in quotations. "Banksville, Connecticut" comes up with 18 results, as opposed to "Banksville, New York," which comes up with 657. 3)During a google search, Banksville comes up as Zip Code 10506 which means it is a part of Bedford, New York. "Pemberwick, Connecticut" and "Rock Ridge, Connecticut" both come up with 34 google results, and also I've never heard of them before (add citations if you disagree). This leaves only Byram which has its own Zip Code (06830) and is well known as a section of the town, along with (Riverside: 06878; Glenville: 06830; Cos Cob: 06807; and the five Zip codes of Greenwich Proper: 06807, 06830, 06831, 06870, 06878) Rpgman456 03:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

As a longtime resident of Greenwich, I have frequently heard of Chickahominy and Mianus as neighborhoods: Chickahominy is the neighborhood covered by Hamilton Avenue School, and Mianus is the Neighborhood north of Riverside. Pemberwick is the name of a small shopping complex and a condo, and I've never heard of it nor Rock Ridge as neighborhoods of Greenwich. Banksville is undoubtedly not part of Greenwich, but Belle Haven is. And your wrong about the ZIP codes: both 06830 and 06831 cover Greenwich; Byram does not have its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.52.201 (talk) 02:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Polaron for providing that helpful link. I must admit though that I am still not satisfied that Banksville is actually part of Connecticut, even though it is mentioned on ct.gov, because of personal experiences. Although I will do some research myself. Here is a little bio that I found stating that it is actually part of North Castle, New York... can it be possible Banksville is part of two states? Rpgman456 04:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's right at the state line and am pretty sure it is in both states. For what it's worth, Google Maps seems to know about the place. --Polaron | Talk 04:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Mianus is definitely an overwhelmingly accepted community of Greenwich; I am now going to replace it in the article. As it goes with Banksville, I'm coming up with the same exact things no matter where I search, that it is a hamlet of North Castle, New York but it has a 10506 Zip code which means it is part of Bedford, New York. Tennis great Ivan Lendl owns and operates a tennis center in Banksville that I have personally been to, and by looking online, the address is provided as: "1 Bedford-Banksville Road, Bedford,NY 10506." Bedford-Banksville road is the name of North St. in Greenwich once one crosses the state boarder into New York. Still, it is a perplexing question and seems like it might be similar to Georgetown, Connecticut in the sense that it is a community which spreads through multiple towns. Until then, I feel it shouldn't be included in the article. Rpgman456 17:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

References

This might be useful. Of the places you had concerns about, Banksville and Mianus are listed as communities in Greenwich. The others are not listed. --Polaron | Talk 04:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Belle Haven is definitely not in Stamford, not sure what you're talking about... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.103.36 (talk) 22:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Mianus and Chickahominy are areas which are definitely thought of by residents as neighborhoods. In Greenwich, EVERYTHING is a neighborhood. But seriously if you say you are from Chickahominy certainly the real townies will know what that means. Pemberwick runs down from the West Greenwich Civic Center down to the Post Road and over west to Port Chester. (Roughly.) And please don't tell Ms. Ross that she was living in Stamford all this time. She knows she wasn't and so should you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.209.183 (talk) 04:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I grew up in Belle Haven, it's a waterfront neighborhood in southern Greenwich, far from Stamford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.149.58.27 (talk) 18:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Demographics section

Most articles show the median income of towns and cities on wikipedia. On here, however, all you see is how other places compare to Greenwich, and not really Greenwich's median income. 75.22.212.42 03:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Photos

How about some photos instead of just paintings? I don't think 4 of them are necessary. 67.161.246.223 20:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Go get 'em tiger. We can move the paintings as soon as you upload the pics. Noroton 23:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Demographics

Westport (~26,000) is much closer in population to Darien (~20,000) and New Canaan (~19,000) than Greenwich (~61,000), but overall have to agree that whole long comparison is a bit awkward.

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Government

The statement that Greenwich's 230 elected town meeting representatives constitute the 5th largest legislative body in the United States is patently false. I live in Falmouth, Massachusetts, which has 27 elected town meeting representatives from each of 9 precincts for a total of 243 members, but I would STILL never make such an outlandish claim about this town without having verifiable proof. The statement should be deleted. Sheepdog69 (talk) 14:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Since nobody has responded yet to the above, I went ahead and deleted the statement. Sheepdog69 (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)