Talk:Green peafowl

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earlier comments[edit]

Sorry, but the first statement is a POV. Who is to say what the most beatiful kind is?--Zhang Lmao 08:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quote from WWF website [[1]] : "a male Green Peafowl in its full plumage is surely among the most beautiful and spectacular birds in the world". Also in several books about pheasants and breeders. What is POV ? --Stavenn 12:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Point of view. Frankyboy5 23:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Information veracity and citations[edit]

This article is constantly gathering information that does not cite reliable references. There are citations of casual communications with people over various forums which would be better placed on blogs. Shyamal 05:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "annamese" does differ from the average imperator. See this bird from Yunnan (or at least that form) [2] and that its head is clearly blue and its body is clearly golden. Compare it with another bird found in Yunnan (or at least another form from Yunnan) [3] and you can clearly see the differences, even though both are supposedly imperators. Even one of Wolfgang Mennig's male imperators also look like an annamensis (blue head, gold sheen) and he is aware of the annamensis species/subspecies. Frankyboy5 15:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would have no trouble if you cited at least a field guide. Birds can show numerous plumage variations. Why do you think this is a named subspecies. If it named who is the trinomial author ? Where is this published ? Shyamal 16:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, Wolfgang Mennig was one of the first to mention it, indicating that it was already named, possibly by him. Kermit believes the birds shown in both photos are from Yunnan, but are distinct species from each other. Kermit did not make the name up, unless Mennig is using his names (the two actually know each other). I saw a photo somewhere on a french website with drawings of the differences in the six species (site was by a french fan of peafowl, and the pic was used with permission from "Kermit (Black) Wood") [4]. Leave the fact tag and don't remove it, Kermit is still working on volume 1 (Peafowl) of Encyclopedia Gallinacea. The data was gathered since 1985, and he is still researching. He is right that certain imperators do have bluer heads, and that Yunnan birds are different. Frankyboy5 23:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please check WP:CITE and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Shyamal 02:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thailand[edit]

"Green Peafowls are found today in Southeast Asia in easternmost northern India, Assam, mainland Burma, Tibet, Yunnan, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and on the island of Java in Indonesia."

But not Thailand? :? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.246.197 (talk) 01:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed uncited content[edit]

Have removed a number of uncited statements including the use of words like dragonbird which are not seen outside of wikipedia. Shyamal (talk) 03:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I think it should be removed too. Kermit himself came and also edited parts of it. Apparently the description is now a bit misleading. Imperator has a green neck and the facial skin of the Green Peafowl is not dull but varied, but has a white axe and a yellow crescent. The name Dragonbird is used though in at least one place. Apparently, at the Bronx Zoo, it says under Green Peafowl that it is called the Dragonbird because it feeds on venomous snakes. Kermit has had some association with the Wildlife Conservation Society, and it is said he's working with them on the new revision of taxonomy. Unfortunately, this has to wait until around 2010. However, we should leave most of the article as it is now. Frankyboy5 (talk) 23:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do take a look at WP:RS. Any statements lacking proper citations will have to be removed. Personal communication with anybody is not considered as reliable. Shyamal (talk) 01:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A reply to an old discussion, but this relates to the above, too. First, this was already discussed more than a year ago (see e.g. my talk page), though in fairness much of the un-ref'ed info was added recently by another user. Regardless, seeing that many of the controversial claims still completely lack references, I am removing some of them per WP:BURDEN (likewise in a number of cases where "Baker" and "Beebe" were claimed as a ref., but no such ref. can be found in the ref. list, and the person who added them didn't even provide a year, i.e. while the latter probably is William Beebe, we have no way of knowing which of his numerous publications that ref. is supposed to refer to!). Likewise, I have removed info that belongs in the genus article rather than here (e.g. info on the earliest fossil species in the genus, and info specifically about the Indian P.). I've added a bunch of additional "reference needed" tags, and unless ref's have been provided for them, I'll remove those I consider questionable in a few months (which should be plenty of time to find a reliable ref - if one exists). Finally, I re-wrote a section under description, which was a direct copy from the indicated source (i.e. copyvio) • Rabo³ • 18:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's best to revert the article back to its original state. Back in September Kermit sent me a few computer-drawn photographs outlining the Arakan Spicifer, and a topography map of the Green Peafowl. These, he said, were to be part of a monograph about Peafowl. I believe there is reality in what he said; but it just hasn't been published. I don't think Kermit knows how to edit on Wikipedia very well. He comes up every now and then. Yes he's referring to William Beebe.

Reliable sources for this stuff does not exist, because the work has not been published. The only site that says this is Wikipedia, Wolfgang Mennig's paper about conservation and before then the World Pheasant Association German site. The information has already been removed from the latter site but it still hints there's many races of imperator. There's also a French site by a Green Peafowl keeper, while finding Kermit's data inconclusive, has had talks with Kermit and wrote some information down about Kermit's findings. The only two sources detailed enough to list about such species is an MSN group and photo gallery that Kermit created. He's also in the gbwf forum giving help to other aviculturists.

Apparently it really does say at the Bronx Zoo in JungleWorld that the Green Peafowl is "called the Dragonbird because it eats venomous snakes." Kermit knows the bird at the zoo; it's name is Edua and its half spicifer half annemensis. Frankyboy5 (talk) 01:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

removed taxonomy[edit]

While Peafowl are often considered part of the family Phasianidae, World Pheasant Association of Germany already lists peafowl as a distinct family.<refÜbersicht über die Hühnervogelarten. World Pheasant Association, Germany.ref>

Who are World Pheasant Association to create taxonomies? This needs a citation from a book or journal. innotata (Talk | Contribs) 18:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Swimming and wading peafowl[edit]

It is fairly well known that birds will float on water when forced, but making this into a statement that they "love to" wade in water, swim etcetera is something that requires ornithology journal or HBW quality citations. Shyamal (talk) 05:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Threatened Birds of Asia, Collar et al. includes a stray quote from a verbal communication - this does not constitute a reliable reference. Shyamal (talk) 07:51, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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