Talk:Gerry MacLochlainn

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Can we have a dispute listed about the continued removal of material from this site by O Fenian. He removes the material because he claims it is not supported by newspapers of suffcient quality. The newspaper in question is the Western Mail which is the main daily newspaper in Wales and is accepted as the main paper of record there. It is highly arbitrary to dismiss a respectable newspaper as a paper of record without any debate. can someon who knows the Western Mail take a look at this issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.127.183 (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have attempted top discuss this matter on a number of occasions but have been ignored by O Fenian. I am prepared to accept that I have not carried this dispute out correctly and indeed I have onluy just been able to find the request I made to discover the material in the dispute concerning the Western Mail. As that has been defended by someone on that site and it has been further supported by references to letters in the National Library of wales I wish to re-enter some of the material concerning macLochlain's term of imprisonment.

I am supported in this approach by the piece enetered elsewhere by the person quoted below

Can I ask you O Fenian if you are prepared to compromise by agreeing to an edit of the piece on his imprisonment. His imprisonmnet has been widely referred to in a whole range of papers - some of which I accept you find unacceptable at elast on their own. But with Western mail and National Library of wales archives surley you must accept some of this. The Western Mail is a reliable source. Robert Hazell in The State and the Nations (Imprint Academic, 2000) calls it the closest thing Wales has to a paper of record. It's not accurate to call it a tabloid, with the derogatory connotations that implies. It is perceived as having moved downmarket in recent years, especially since a new editorial direction in 2005 put more emphasis on stories about leisure and entertainment. (Meryl Aldridge. Understanding the Local Media, McGraw-Hill International, 2007). However it continues to cover hard news, its stories are quoted extensively in literature about the press, and the cite in question is from 1980.

If you have doubts about the cite, it's reasonable to ask that the editor include the author of the piece, and quote you the relevant passages. Note though that the information he wishes to add is backed up elsewhere, for instance the National Library of Wales is holding MacLochlainn's Prison Letters 1981-1983 and describes it thus: "Twenty-seven letters, 1981-1983, from Gerry Maclochlainn, a Sinn Fein activist on the United Kingdom mainland, from Maidstone prison to Ioan M. Richard, organiser of 'Dros Ryddid', a left wing republican movement in South Wales. At the time, Maclochlainn was serving a four year prison term following conviction on conspiracy charges."[8] And a journal called The Blanket, published under the aegis of An Phoblacht, ran a piece by Liam O Ruairc which said "The former Sinn Fein organiser in Wales was released from Maidstone Prison in November 1983 after serving two and a half years of a sentence for conspiracy to cause explosions".[9] 86.44.45.98 (talk) 16:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)--86.131.127.183 (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please respond you will note that I have not edited the piece again but chosen this route instead. I am not experienced in how to edit this and am accepting that the errors in protocol may be the main fault here and that they are my responsibility. --86.131.127.183 (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I have said elsewhere, if you provide full quotes from the sources here I am willing to discuss possible inclusion. However based on your misuse of sources to date, I am not willing to accept any offline source unless quotes are provided. O Fenian (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your tone is arrogant and insulting but I will forgive youa s you are embarrassed at displaying a woeful ignorance of your subject. I have not misused any sources and you have not demonstrated that, merely vandalised my edits, with pompous claims. I have provided a variety of sources - some of which you object to because you perceive them to be unreliable - you included the Western Mail in this and now demand that I post material that is offline. However I will scan these articles in and I will post them here and we shall see where we go from there. BUT I want to know how you get to be the authority on a subject you are so badly informed upon. It is not for you alone to decide whether or not a source is reliable and I appeal to others with more experience of this medium to assist me in curbing your zealous censorship of my material. I have admitted that my lack of expertise may have caused this problem initially and appealed to you for a resolution but your reponse is fuelled more at anger at being exposed as not being sufficiently informed before acting to censor material you have political problems with.--86.161.95.46 (talk) 09:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have constantly misused this source, which sources absolutely nothing. It has been used to source a variety of claims, none of which it actually does. Therefore I stand by my comments. O Fenian (talk) 08:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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