Talk:Georges Yatridès/Archive 1

Works

Removing individual works to here. This is an encyclopedia, not a resume.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

• L'oiseau de feu, 40x65 cm, 1950
• L'oiseau et l'absolu, 38x46 cm, 1950
• Le buste, 81x65 cm, 1955
• Petit déjeuner et nu, 60x92 cm, 1960
• L'adolescent et l'enfant, 100x81 cm, 1963
• Les deux personnages sur la plage, 65x100 cm, 1963
• Christ, Leica et orange, 92x73 cm, 1963
• Vibration essentielle, 97x130 cm, 1982

BATAILLE DE JACOB AVEC l’ANGE triptych, (1982) :

• La bataille de Jacob avec l’ange (Le combat), 80x130cm, 1982
• La bataille de Jacob avec l'ange (Le mur), 89x116 cm, 1982
• La bataille de Jacob avec l'ange (L'aube), 97x146 cm, 1982

Exclusive rights

I've removed the references to the supposed exlusive-rights claim. It's unsourced, and implausible, since artists can't sign over their rights in this way.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Notability

Hi, The article has been tagged with as may not meet notability guideline

It is relative to a painter that has made a lot of exhibitions, had a lot of articles in newspaper, several books have been done about him, including one done by a french minister, he is included into several dictionnary about art, ... So I don't understand where is the notability issue. Kristoguy (talk) 13:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Primary sources or sources affiliated to the subject

The article is taking in reference several sites like yatrides.org, yatrides.com, yatrides-21st-century.com so it is probably why this tag has been set.

But in fact most of the informations are available from third party books with ISBN code published by third party, I have added more references. The links to yatrides-21st-century.com are here to allow the user to access more accurate informations like exhibition catalogs that are quite old and not on line elsewhere.

So I think that this tag should be removed Kristoguy (talk) 13:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources

I have added sources that are official books, so I hope that it is enough to remove that tags. Let me know Kristoguy (talk) 13:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

13 November 2012

Re: the presence of my work on Wikipedia

Object: I am George Yatrides American of 3rd generation: my paternal Grandfather was a Christian orthodox deacon exerting his pastorate with Rock Springs, Wyoming.

Preamble: My situation requires a long enough outline; more I apologize about my English which surely suffers to be not usually applied

Hello,

I had much worry in Europe throughout my existence, in particular in France where I was born in 1931. To be American in France is not easy and French being in Europe is not it more. Unfortunately I am classified Americano-French, since I live in France. It appears thus that there is not much places to move or think. The only administrations French and German governments not depending on the intellectual Establishment including art, defended my work (Re: yatrides.org: Official French government evaluation of my pictorial work and position of my fundamental personal researches at the ECA (French atomic energy commission).

I do not think that the country of origin of my parents depends itself on a completed ostracism, of an Establishment such that of France, taking into consideration what I lived during my studies, in my course of painter and the fields of my personal fundamental research with the ECA* (see note below).

I took pleasure of what is developed on my existence in Wikipedia. It is interesting. However, C.N.R.S. (French governmental scientific research Centre), the ECA (French atomic energy Commission) are not deployed enough there. In correlation, the dictionary in which my work is analyzed, comprises many other personalities and not all of the professional painters, and that is not underlined enough. Not cited the “Who’s Who in international in Art” in which my work is analysed on 16 pages. Identically, the radicalization of Bourmeyster preeminent semiotician concerning the use by Clarke and Kubrick of my interstellar Icons in 2001 a space odyssey and Lars von Trier for its film Melancholia.

As regards the paintings referred to of the chapter “Exclusive Rights” which posed problem: It is a question of the paintings “Christ, Leica and orange” 1963 (Leica as you know it, German best photographic instrument) and “The teenager and the child” (1963). These paintings are entitled to the word concerning Clarke and Kubrick spectacular kinematics. In these paintings of 1963 and others before dated, exhibited in Chicago during my contracts with SE Johnson international galleries, the monoliths are present. The same slabs monoliths appear in “2001 a space odyssey Kubrick” film (1968), cult objects, keys of the adventure of this cinematic triumph since they are its argument and driving force, the subject takes another dimension. Anyway I never asked for paternity rights and this subject is a small part only of my work, but important for great collectors.

Perhaps could you help me to create in Wikipedia, a more intrinsic history of my life. I have 81 years and little time to attend some justice.

Sincerely,

George Yatrides

You don't answer to my text above.

Note: The Graphics, sources of all sciences, dominate in my work of painter with independent new way light, extrapolated on an artistic plan, in direct relationship to my fundamental researches led during my personal work to the ECA (French atomic energy commission), during which I found new properties of essential source of light and of non common time. My position American-French towards the French Establishment obliged me to deposit patents about my physics discovers, on chemical materialization appearing far away from the subject, but being connected to it if I in provided the bond which is not a simple link; patents approved by the “Patent office, Washington D.C.” which understood their real value, patents all claims granted; this to preserve the paternity of my work led in laboratories depending directly on the “French government nuclear administration” (see Fiscal tax valuation: yatrides.org > Fiscal tax estimation of the work) .

In correlation with the commitment of the French Establishment, concerning my pictorial work, the most important sales of my oil-base paints, sold in sales rooms adjudications, were not recorded in the French official headings this since 1980 - Of which “Gazette of the Hotel Drouot”, Jacques Boussac director - “the gazette Drouot” being the official reference and for this reason sales don't registered in others listings. revealed in a canadian source : yatridesArts.com [8]

That allowed the blossoming of many forgeries, copies and false techniques descriptions on my work sold until sale-rooms, bought by modest non advised collectors and reflected on Internet; forgeries recorded with the OCBC (Central office of repression against the traffic of cultural goods). In 2011, AskART decided to show some oil-base paints and their important sales; all the remainder being watercolors copies and/or forgery watercolors paintings. This commitment of the French established order, permit other creators to use with impunity my work in particular Kubrick or notably Arthur C. Clarke for 2001 a space odyssey and Lars von Trier to carry out its Melancholia film with which the axis is clearly depict in my oil ”Essential Vibration, finale phase experience” 1983.

--Yatrides (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

3 January 2013

You don't answer to my text above

Details concerning my position

First it is necessary to precise that I am American born in France in 1931 in third generation (my great father was orthodox Christian orthodox deacon carrying its pastorate near Russian and Greek community, in Rocks Springs Wyomming) and that I am a physicist. My researches at the CEA (AEC: French atomic energy commission) were from my only initiative according to my own designs and objectives. The demonstration of the theory that I had developed culminated in a new property of time and its influence in many fields including that of light emanating from solid bodies in various stages of incandescence, their action on the hydro carbonaceous elements. It is appropriate to recall that the human race is hydro carbonaceous and the stars are in effervescence /incandescence thermonuclear just as our own star Sun. Me were provided materials by: AMERICAN STELL Ltd. for metal tubes elongated steel cold introduced in the hydro carbonaceous materials in combustion ; PROCTER & GAMBLE co. Inc. for biological analyses ; Pierre LEDEZ, Head of research at the SEITA for some other hydro carbonaceous items ; Paul PERROUD, Director of special applications of physics CEA-CENG put laboratories offices and staff at my disposal for operations of weights and measures.

Concerning Kubrick' film cited in my wiki biography page:

My pictorial work is an extrapolation issue from my physics researches.The film is an artistic creation as my pictorial work. On a correlative side, it's clear that the philosophic fundament of "2001 a space odyssey" is not a technical question in the Influence on film. The fundament of the film 2001 concerns the destiny of mankind. The cult element of the film is the Slab monolith, the argument and driving force in the cinematic triumph of Stanley Kubrick ; the slab contains all genetic machinery, all knowledge, all prophecy. the slab inculcates and initiates the technical possibilities, on a 4,000,000 years period from humanoids to modern, to reach this preeminent ultimate goal which is the finality of mankind. The Slabs appear in my work since 1954, intervening as links in communication with mankind.

It is clear in the movie, doubtless possible for the film visual plan, plan after plan, all very slow according to the will of Kubrick, have a fear thus to avoid them, that the intervention of the monolith directs its movie. Without having to operate any the philosophic or other deduction, the very slow progress of the events according to this will of the designer, quite specially when the monolith appears, it is well the one to underline that the monolith intervenes and introduces the human race since its origins, at the beginning of the movie, according to precise acts and this in the crucial stages which bring the man to the term of his fate. A lot, to seem interesting, gets involved to tell Kubrick while they know only a summary of the movie, summarized itself stemming from a trailer. Indeed, the characteristic slowness of the progress of the movie, the slowness stressed even more on certain images in particular on those of the monolith, the mesmerizing slowness for some, demoralized it the others tired by this slowness; the dimension of the subject of this exceptional movie and its scale, was not able to find of sufficient place in certain spirits.

--Yatrides (talk) 15:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Please note that Wikipedia talk pages are intended for discussion leading to the improvement of articles. We cannot really use anything you've said above to improve the article. We need material based on reliable printed sources which are not affiliated with the subject. Extremely long posts such as you have written are frequently ignored, especially when the English is hard to understand. If you wish to engage with other editors in short comments with a conversational tone, you are likely to get a better response. What you've written above appears to be a statement and I don't really see any questions in it to which the reader would be expected to reply, except perhaps "Perhaps could you help me to create in Wikipedia, a more intrinsic history of my life". That's not really how Wikipedia works. We cannot engage in original research, we can only work from the independent sources which already exist. While we can link to your website, we cannot really use material which is only available on your website, as reliable sources need to be independent of the subject. Hope this helps. Yworo (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

12 February 2013

Yatrides, 12 February 2013

It is not the apology for George Yatrides it is only the very summary statement of historical facts which relates to its pictorial work extrapolated from its personal fundamental research led to the AEC (Atomic energy commission, of Grenoble), notably as from the fifth period of its pictorial work.

It is difficult to think that another creator can present an intrinsic analysis of his work more authentic than that operated by the French Tax authorities , on the core and the form, than Yatrides had to face; In particular when it is recognized now that French establishment had overlooked it, because he was American. By glossing its work, this established order had allowed a number of other creators to use unconstrained certain characteristics of its works. Also overlooked the sales price during years 80/90 carried out between private Collections, several sales reaching 3,080,000 CH Francs (3,325,000 US Dollars, recorded in Who' S Who in international art 1987/1988) whereas Yatrides had yielded them at a moderate price. If these paintings represent the movable preeminent private Collections”, it should be considered that several of its less important works represent the inheritance of modest Collectors having acquired them with difficulty.

On your councils, I withdrew the chapter His work source of inspiration a little long though very synopsis; although that was recognized, until in dictionaries, conferences, films TV, Videos academics, seminars; this in various countries.

George Yatrides, 12 February 2013 --Yatrides (talk) 19:40, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

7 March 2013

Yatrides 07 march, 2013

Please remember that the signature ‘’Yatrides’’ represents the office of the Yatrides and its century foundative organization

In the beginning of Wikipedia page we answered your remark concerning George Yatrides' biography effectively realized in his lifetime, notably by the Historian of the 5th French Republic, Arthur Conte Minister for information and TV channels Chairman under the mandate of George Pompidou President of the French State, recommended by Charles of Gaulle preceding President.

--Yatrides (talk) 17:24, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

And we have answered you. Let me make this clear, you are not going to write your own autobiography here. Your submissions have the following problems:

• They do not follow our formatting requirements. Read our Manual of Style.
• The sources are "inadequate", they for the most part do not meet our reliable sourcing requirements. (Read the link). In particular:
  • French Wikipedia may not be used as a reference.
  • Material hosted on "your websites" is not consider reliable, even if it is purported to be by the French government. Please provide links to the "original publications" of this material.
  • Normally, government documents are considered to be primary sources. We don't use them. We "require" reports in reliable independent third-party sources, that is secondary sources. We cannot interpret primary sources, which is what you are doing, and doing it in an apparently self-serving manner.

If you would provide proper reliable independent third-party secondary sources, I'm sure there are Wikipedia editors who would be glad to expand the article. But please stop trying to write it yourself. This is not going to happen. You have a conflict of interest and you are not editing in a neutral, objective manner as required by our policies. Either you work the way we suggest, or anything you do to the article will be undone. You also risk being blocked from editing or having the article protected so that no-one may edit it. Wikipedia is not here to grant you justice. It is here to summarize what currently exists in third-party reliable sources, which is what all encyclopedias do. If you want "justice", you will have to gain it through the legal system. You have been answered. You have been answered multiple times. You are simply ignoring the answers. The answers are simply not going to change. Thank you. Yworo (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Yatrides, 12 march 2013

I answer your remark personally. Justice was granted to George Yatrides, our member of honour, during the Eighties, with the support of the American Embassy, concerning its authentic biography including civil and professional life, with documents coming from external reliable secondary sources, such as that is précised in the websites. My Office tried several times to explain that and thought that the paragraph – Preamble – which they added at the beginning of page of Wikipedia/George Yatrides was justified. This decision appears inopportune. The rules of Wikipedia are not always easy to decipher and we thank you for your indulgence while regretting to have misused your patience involuntarily.

What follows is not to introduce it into Wikipedia, but to only underline facts of which evidence cannot be disputed.

George Yatrides won the lawsuits which the French Government instituted against him in 1983 and 1985 again applied confirmation during 1997-2007 period. These procedures were initiated by the dominating Establishment of this time which, notably by means of the French Tax authority department, tried to exclude the work of Yatrides which created a livable abstract world that the others could not do, disturbing the thriving market of the so-called abstract art.

Thus, www.yatrides.org[9] is the textual reproduction of the conclusions of these lawsuits correlative to George Yatrides integrity, conclusions admitted in an unfavourable situation by an opposition without concessions: "Georges Yatrides" work is in the tradition of the greatest masters. In terms of quality, his position is at the top in those of the message proclaimed, in the avant-garde painting of our era". Jean-Claude Cavaille, principal inspector, French tax authority (Vérifications Approfondies de la Situation d'Ensemble V.A.S.F.E. 1977/1981-1981/1985, Direction Générale – 38-40 avenue Rhin et Danube, 38047 Grenoble Cedex, France).

After these conclusions, Arthur Conte historian, who was previously minister of this government, realized the biography of George Yatrides, such as it is reproduced in www.yatrides.com . So it is not an autobiography but an authorized intrinsic biography, which of course, includes secondary reliable sources, including those registered by the lawsuits.

www.yatrides.com[10] (Yatrides master of time) carries the same title as that of the book of Arthur Conte: ‘’Yatrides master of time’’. It concerns its biography. Another part of yatrides.com is the analysis of George Yatrides work by Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster semiologist. The remainder in footnotes, concern manifestations and events about Yatrides creations, universities thesis, school of press attachés, exhibitions, movies, TV films, videos. (TV news which are not cited but which are available). All the texts of these 2 sites reproduce notably secondary source external documents of which the sites are exclusively made up as that is confirmed in each one of them; For example, James Crowley, AEC (French atomic energy commission), Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster etc.

So can we put back the text and the images which accompanied it, such as they were before you withdraw them because of the paragraph (preamble) which was added at the beginning of page that was inopportune?

Sincerely,

Jacques Lourthioux chairman

Yatrides and its century Foundation

registered at Grenoble, Prefecture of Isere, France

http://authentique-yatrides.fr/fondation/index-en.html

Note 1: The Bureau of our organization consists of senior officials of those which recognized the integrity of George Yatrides at the time of the lawsuit that the Government proceeded against him, lawsuit which he gained after 5 years procedure (1981-1985). The Bureau manages the 2 sites concerned that reproduce notably secondary source external documents of which the sites are exclusively made up, as said above.

Note 2: George Yatrides Great father was orthodox Christian Deacon in Rock Springs Wyoming Ill. He was born in France of American parents. Nationalities American and French do not get lost. George Yatrides is in situation of dual nationality although being American of third generation.

You just need to write neutrally and source to the actual sources, not yatrides.org or authentique-yatrides.fr. As I am sure you are aware, people can put anything they like on a website they control, true or false. I am not saying that this has been done, I am simply saying we do not and can not consider these sites reliable sources. All footnotes and citation will need to be to the actual sources. For lawsuits, you must source to newspaper articles about the suits. You can't site "exhibitions", you must cite newspaper or other news reports about the exhibitions. If Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster has published an analysis, you must cite the journal that it is published in. If the only place it is published is your websites, then it is not considered reliable, but rather promotional. If there are newspaper articles, journal articles, TV interviews, TV shows, you can report what they say and make a citation to those sources directly. We can't source to any primary source such as court transcripts, we have to rely on third-party independent sources which describe what occurred. Material published on the websites is not independent. The text I have seen is written as if it is trying to prove something. Encyclopedia text needs to be written as a neutral report of what has happened. Nobody has only positive things written and said about them. The bad needs to be reported along with the good. I hope this helps. Yworo (talk) 03:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

On and if press attachés mean what we call in English "press releases", these cannot be used, they are not considered to be reliable. There may be some exceptions, for example if an award-bestowing organization issues a release about who won the award and there is no other source, then maybe that might be used. But most award are also reported on in the news in one form or another. That's how we know the award is significant, so news sources are still preferable to press releases. Yworo (talk) 03:57, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

04 April 2013

This summary is significantly reduced, omitting important events in the life of a man who served extrapolated scientific creation in a major pictorial work which introduces man into the universe without referent in our known world (the true definition of abstract) without the whims of science-fiction and/or surrealism.

Jacques Lourthioux

Chairman

Foundation "Yatrides and His Century"

Registered in Grenoble,

Journal Officiel, N° 3, 17 January 1996,

Prefecture of Isere, France

YATRIDES ET SON SIECLE

J.O. n°3, France 17 janvier 1996

Administrative publications of the French Authorities 1981, 1985, 2004, 2009.

"The object of our Office is the protection of George Yatrides, against the disinformation, the slander and the usurpation of its rights". J.L.

PRESIDENT: Posthumous Chairwoman, John Foster Dulles family, born 02.10.1906 in Bath England, Chairwoman of the Foundation France-Great Britain, the Free British Chamber of Commerce, domiciled 5 rue Voltaire, 38000 Grenoble. English nationality.

PRESIDENT Jacques LOURTHIOUX born 24.05.1939 in Fontaine 38600 France, domiciled 18 rue Gabriel Peri, 38600 Fontaine.

The Foundation consists of nine Senior officials of which Philippe Guffon VICE-PRESIDENT, Director of Public Safety in charge of the Security of George YATRIDES born 06.03.1955, Grenoble. Domiciled 106 Impasse de la Trousse. BarbySavoie, 73230

Dear Sir

Concerning the last amendment of 12 March made by the foundation which bears the name of George Yatrides, George Yatrides asked the foundation to let him do the admendment alone in April. But at this date of April 4, he forgot to sign the text he modified according to the advice and councils of the contsributor Iworo.

I thus put this text signed in the paragraph of the Talk-modifications, composed with neutral Press articles, Tv broadcasts and some events.

I hope that it suits in the standards of Wikipedia. Thank you for your attention concerning his work.

Regards,

Gilbert Arnaud

Extended content

George Yatrides (Georges Yatridès) is an American artist born and based living in France. He stemmed from a Grandfather, deacon carrying out his Christian pastorate in Rock Springs Wyoming. His work is held in various collections throughout the world, including a number of North American private collections; it has been featured in retrospectives and Art School events. Eight periods characterise his paintings: "Fauvist" (1945-1948); "Abstract" (1948-1951); "Pre-graphic" (1952-1955/1956-1962); "Fundamental Graphics" 1 and 2 (1963-71/1973-78); "His own school - Apodictic" 1972-1983; "Apodictic Synthesis Period" 1949-2009": "First Synthesis" (1945-1988); "Latter Synthesis" 1945-2011). Yatrides period of highly prolific output lasted for over 65 years. Initially influenced by Gauguin and the Fauvists, the first exhibition of Yatrides work was held in Vichy, France, in 1954 when he was 23 years old with paintings dating from 1945 to 1949. At an exhibition in Paris in 1956 of his first Pre-graphic paintings at Madame Chastenet de Gerry’s Gallery of Vowels , His talent was noticed by an expert from the International Galleries, 424 South Michigan Avenue, Chicago . This then led the artist, at the age of 26, to enter into an exclusive contract with International Galleries’ director, Samuel E. Johnson, who, through recognising the talent of some artists and organising exhibitions of their work, advised and encouraged purchases by prestigious private collections. Arthur Conte, who was French Minister of Culture and Communication, was later Director General of state-run French TV and then historian of the Fifth French Republic during the presidencies of Charles de Gaulle and Georges Pompidou, wrote the biography "Yatrides, Master of Time". Biography (non exhaustive) For 15 years, from 1955 to 1971, Samuel E. Johnson, director of the International Galleries held one man exhibitions for Yatrides in various big cities in the United States.Shortly after attention was drawn to Yatrides’ work all his paintings had been acquired by private collectors in Canada, Great Britain, Greece, Latin America, Switzerland and the United States. A permanent exhibition was held by Samuel E. Johnson, tacitly extending the Gallery’s contracts until they were terminated by George Yatrides himself in 1971. Free of external constraint, a master of new graphics, light and chromatics, George Yatrides undertook the extrapolation of his fundamental research at the French Atomic Energy Commission (CEA) that enabled him to apply, on a flat surface such as a painting, a new artistic approach to light and time disassociated from space, without referent in the known world thus characterising an abstract world that is nevertheless inhabited by humans. Following this, he concentrated on the large-scale compositions which characterized his art in the seventies. First saw his own school 1972-1983, with his "Apodictic period, where scattered elements melted into his earlier work" said Alexandre (Sacha) Bourmeyster. The spiral pillar of time 65x92cm (1982) Yatrides' researches extrapolation of new properties of light and non common time at AEC (French atomic energy commission). Yatrides work Essential vibration 97x130cm (1982) Prefiguration of Melancholia of Lars von Trier movie (2011), Yatrides work In 1974, following an exhibition held by Jean Minet, the director of the Galerie de la Place Beauvau in Paris, juxtaposing the offices of the Ministry of the Interior, solo retrospective exhibitions were held throughout the world. Three Crypts in the Basilica of the Sacré-Cœur in Montmartre, Paris were consecrated to George Yatrides' paintings in 1981, an exhibition with a biblical inspiration .When his work was shown at the theater Moncade Galerie in Geneva ,the Attaché of the Israeli Cultural Centre Hekhal Haness in Switzerland wanted to commission one of his works for the Israeli State to be hung in the Knesset . Yatrides situation and state of health forced him, regretfully, to decline this offer during a trip to Israel by invitation under the auspices of the Prime Minister, Shimon Peres. The Denis Huismans School of Journalism in Lyon, France, approved a study thesis of 402 pages by Corinne Lehodey: "Pictorial Creation" (La création picturale 1983) "Yatrides: the influence he exercised during his career, his testing by society, public relations consultants and art dealers". On 12 December 1983, when Yatrides work achieved a French sales record in Paris (at the Hotel Méridien under the hammer of the auctioneer Pierre Cornette de Saint-Cyr), he donated the proceeds to Poland,travelling to Warsaw at the invitation of Lech Walesa French Antenne 2 TV News 12:45 Pm, 13 december 1983, vente aux enchères au bénéfice de la Pologne, Commissaire priseur Pierre Cornette de Saint-Cyr : Adjudication 800.000 French francs (120.000 Euros)'' and the Polish authorities, where he took part in allocating the benefit. The subsequent dispatch of more than 500 tons of medical supplies, clothes, toys and fruits for children suffering from muscular dystrophy reference was organised by the Lyon’s club[11], the Rotary Club [12]and Jacques Dechavanne and, through the link with art, it was accepted into communist Poland, even though the merchandise came originally from France and the United States. In late December 1983 the French composer and conductor, Jacques Charpentier, wrote his "Prelude for the Elsewhere" (Prélude pour l’ailleurs) in Mexico for a string orchestra which he dedicated to a canvas by George Yatrides "The New Scrolls" (Les nouveaux rouleaux) (60x92cm, 1977) In 1985 a world record was acquired with the sale of a drawing Movement of a Memory (Mouvement d’une mémoire) (43 x 63cm, 1981), the selling price being higher than that for any drawing by Rembrandt, Willem de Kooning, Magritte or Picasso On 17 January 1996 senior officials founded an organization in France in the name of George Yatrides, his work being recognized of public interest.. First appearance of the Monolithic Slab, the keystone in the movie "2001, a Space Odyssey" Deux personnages sur la plage 100X63cm 1963 Yatrides work Le théorème 41x31.8cm sanguine 1960 Yatrides work Christ, Leica and orange 92x73cm (1963) Christ on the slab, Yatrides work Art critics and members of the scientific community perceived marked similarities between Kubrick’s monolith in his artistic cinematographic work and the slabs in the pictorial art of Georges Yatrides. Alexandre (Sacha) Bourmeyster[13], Historians [14], Physicist [15][16], a French-born Russian semiologist, analysed the slabs depicted in some fifteen of Yatrides’ paintings from 1951 to 1965 and said"their power to transcend life in a supernatural manner symbolizes a mystic vector of absolute knowledge in a way that recalls Kubrick’s 2001, a Space Odyssey. He further emphasises the impact of George Yatrides’ work on Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick and confirms that Yatrides monolithic slabs are the same as those that Kubrick and Clarke used in their 1968 movie. The French architectural website CYBERARCHItecte also notes this fact. Christophe Odin, a modelling engineer in mathematical concepts and designer of the Kelkoo software[17][18], also noticed the striking similarity between the Clark/Kubrick slab of 1968 and the much earlier (1951) painting by Yatrides and other of his works that included slabs (whether thin or thick) up until 1963. Yatrides monolithic slabs are in a variety of different colours - black, dark gray, blue, white. In the film,the black monolith flying in space becomes blue and elsewhere is a bright, dazzling white with intersidereal gleams. Arthur Conte, French Minister of Culture and Communication, later Director General of state-run French TV, and then historian of the Fifth French Republic during the presidencies of Charles de Gaulle and Georges Pompidou, mentions in his book "Yatrides Master of Time" a representative work "The Teenager and Child" (L'Adolescent et l'Enfant) that was painted in 1963 and is one of fifteen paintings depicting slabs similar to that used by Kubrick . Since 1956 Yatrides paintings have been exhibited in public galleries in big cities in various States in the USA, through the good offices of Samuel E. Johnson of International Galleries, Chicago. . Likewise, this similarity with the Kubrick slabs is also mentioned in various analyses at several outstanding events including the Canada-France International Biennials in their editions of 1987, 1989 and 1991, 1993 at which Yatrides was Principle Guest of Honour, "Main master Guest". . James L. Crowley, Physicist and specialist in robotics, Mellon University Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, analysed the characteristics of the Yatrides Slabs and their clear similarity to those of Clarke and Kubrick. The Cinema Diaries points outthat Arthur C. Clarke and/or Stanley Kubrick visited art galleries to find inspiration and produce the film, said by specialists, most acclaimed movie ever achieved about the conquest of the space Compilation purpose: Eternity, 24x31cm, Etude November 1957, Yatrides work Retrospectives and events The Slab realizes Bowman resurrection. Fetus: Yatrides' vision * 1958: "Drawings and Watercolors of the French School 1910-1960" Chicago. Works of artists most of whom had part taken part in the Yatrides' slab monolith such as it appears in 2001 a space odyssey 1st sequence. Yatrides' vision. illustrious exhibition "From Clouet to Matisse - French Drawings on loan from American Private Collections" organized at the Musée de l'Orangerie by the American Embassy in Paris in 1958.. 1963: . Juarez Gallery, 337 Worth Av. Palm Beach, 21 February-5 March 1963 noted: "Yatrides, so individualistic, draws the attention of the patron and connoisseur, reaches for something completely different in quality and style" signed Gregg Juarez. 1974: Palais des Congrès Nice, France: "Retrospective drawings, 1957-1974" organised by Jean-Charles Lignel, owner of the daily newspaper Progrès de Lyon.. 1979: Château de la Condamine, Corenc, France: "Retrospective – Paintings and Drawings 1945-1978". Catalogue by the town council of Meylan, 38000 France. 1984: Château de la Condamine, Corenc, France: "Metallogram Retrospective". 1984: Grand Palais in Paris at the Salon comparaison. The work of Yatridès shown by Jean Minet, director of the Galerie d’Art de la Place Beauvau, which is adjacent to the offices of the French Ministry of the Interior. 1983: Jacques Charpentier, renowned French composer dedicated his "Prelude for the Elsewhere" (Prélude pour l'ailleurs) for violin and orchestra to the painting "The New Scrolls"” (Les nouveaux rouleaux). 1983: In April, Maggi Nolan published in Celebrity News: One of Yatrides paintings, The Other Shore (L’autre rive)(65x92cm, 1978) formerly owned by British socialite Gwen Vidler-Dulles, related to the John Foster Dulles family, was sold at Christie’s in London for the record sum of 500,000 Francs (£45,360 sterling) in March. "More than 300 of his paintingsare held in private collections in the United States. In 1959 his works were hung in an exhibition of Contemporary French Masters alongside the works of Picasso, Chagall, Braque and Chapelain-Midy". Reported by Maggy Nollan, 1983: The Financial Times published the information that: "A Yatrides’ painting of 1978 entitled the Other Shore L’autre rive (65x92cm, 1978) sold for £ 45,360"."A Christie’s record" 1983: Eleventh and Twelfth Salons in Montmorency, Val d’Oise 95000, France. "Yatrides, whom the poet René Char called 'The Painter outside the tumult' and whose major works, on loan here from wealthy collectors, are rarely exhibited", said Fabienne Pascaud on 15 November 1983. "As scholar, as artist, Yatrides is the Painter of the sky and the earth, expressing extraordinary wild beauty". Patrice Dubois and Marie-Christine Hugonot, 25 November 1983. 1984/1985: "Who's Who in international art". International Biographical Art Dictionary. Art development ADT S.A. Geneva/Lausanne. 1987/988: "Who's Who in international art", "His unremitting persistence in delving into and developing the possibilities of the Graphic School that Yatrides today finds himself increasingly distinguished from the others artists. 1988: 7-23 May, Twenty-third Salon in Montargis, Loiret 45000, France. Yatrides special guest of honour. 1988: Wednesday 27 December, Daupiné Libéré, title of article "Yatrides is among the elected Art representatives" "This work the Adolecsent and child has a price: it was sold 13,0 00,000 Francs (1,515,000,000 €)" signed Véronique Juillard 1988: Canada-France International biennials 1988 in Québec, Chaired by Madeleine D. Tremblay and organised by Jean-François Echegut who arranged a specially chartered Boeing to fly more than 170 artists from over 35 countries to Canada. Their work was shipped in a 30 cubic-meter sea container carrying more than 1,000 works of art. Yatrides, the great painter, is the main guest of these Biennials, which are supported by Valéry Giscard d’Estaing the former President of France, bringing together the works of Yatrides with those of Chagall, Cocteau, André Lhote, Matisse and Picasso. Signed Jean-François Echegut. 1989: Biennale d’Auvergne. Guest of honour. The event was supported by more than 10 French cities 1989 Wednesday 11 January: Dauphiné Libéré title of the article Un nouveau Commandeur dans l’Ordre de l’étoile de l’Europe:The European Ministerial and parliamentary Service(Department) of Information (SEIMP) which brings together writers such Leopold Senghor, politician such Simone Weil, artists such Yehudi Menuhin and the composer Olivier Messiaen, raised in his rank a painter of American origin, Georges Yatrides so named in the Who's Who in international Art the 1988 edition, the cave of the saints of pictorial world and chorography, whose the most recent quotation was registered recorded more than 13 millions and 300.000 francs that is 1.900.000€, on November 10th, 1988. 1991-1993: Canada-France Biennials , Quebec. Yatrides was principle guest of honour. 1996: Guide Mayer. The Art Auctions Dictionary: Importantes étapes de l’œuvre de Yatridespublished: "Significant stages in the work of Yatrides" . 1999: The Benezit Dictionary of Artists (Emmanuel Benezit): 14 volumes, included the entry "Specific characteristics of Yatrides Work".Publication ceased in 2006. 1998/1999: "Who's Who in international art". International Biographical Art Dictionary. Art developpement ADT S.A. Geneva/Lausanne. 2008: Painters, sculptors and engravers 1981: French International Bureau of Fiscal Investigation, Prefectural records in Grenoble 1981 and Paris 1985: Yatrides draws his inspiration from a vast culture that embraces the adventure not only from the earliest archaeology but also the most advanced of sciences. Georges Yatrides follows in the footsteps of the greatest masters. For the quality of his work and the message he proclaims, he is on a high peak, way ahead of the pictorial creation of our time. It would not be in the public interest for officialdom to unrelentingly try to trace an illusory income, since in doing so it would run the risk of compromising the creative activity and perhaps even the life of an artist where everything suggests he will be among those whoactually contributed greatly to la culture française. Selected TV News and other TV Reports [19] 1979 - France 3 Rhone-Alpes TV[20]: "Yatrides, painter of future memory" produced for, by Daniel Danneyrolles, filmed by O. Battanchon, edited by M. Jourdan, titles Ch. Brulé, 30-minute reports broadcast on 27, 28, 29 September 1979 . 1981 - Provideo TV Production a 15-minute.film: "Picture Hooks in the Sky" (Les cimaises du ciel) 1981 - Antenne 2 Channel[21], broadcast an 8-minute film : Three crypts allocated to the work of Yatrides in the Sacré-Cœur Basilica in Montmartre, Paris. Part of a Provideo TV 1981 – France 3 TV Channel[22] Evening news Ile de France an 8-minute report by Micheline Sandrel, filmed by André Muller. 1981 - France 3 TV Channel[23]: "Yatrides, the painter outside the tumult". MSTC, Stendhal-Grenoble III University, Masters Degree in public relations technical services: by Pascale Nougier and Paul Scinaquella, an 15-minute film production by Chantal Clos and Odile Ragot with the support of Sacha Bourmeyster and Daniel Lambin. 1983 - France 3 TV Channel on June [24], broadcast 15- minute broadcast: "Mastery of an unusual time " by René Char ". Provideo production. 1983 – Antenne 2 Channel, broadcast on 13 December in the 1pm News by Daniel Bilalian[25]Daniel Bilalian: "Lech Walesa - Georges Yatrides" broadcast on Yatrides the painter and Lech Walesa, holder of the Nobel Peace Prize."Yatrides looks closely at Poland and its children" . 1983 – Antenne 2 Channel broadcast on 13 december in the 8pm News[26]: "Yatrides and Poland", Gwyneth Vidler-Dulles, sister-in-law of John Foster Dulles US Secretary of State, bought the painting entitled "The New Scrolls" for 800,000 French Francs. "This sum was donated to Poland and represented 700 tons of medicines, toys and fruit, amounting to 40 8truckloads".[27] 1983 - France 3 TV Channel[28] on 13 december after the sale in the evening: "Jacques Charpentier at the Méridian", Provideo production, bearing a label with a Yatrides painting, of a 15-minute talk by Sacha Bourmeyster[29], introducing Jacques Charpentier[30] and his classical orchestra and setting the tone for the evening after the sale of "The New Scrolls" at the Méridien Hotel under the aegis of the Lion’s club [31] and the International Rotary Club[32][33]. 1983 - Antenne 2 Channel 13 december[34]l : Yatrides work auctioned by Cornette de Saint Cyr at the Méridien Hotel, 80 bld Gouvion Saint Cyr, Porte Maillot, Parisfor the benefit of Poland: € 120,000 realised.[35][36] 1983 - Telewizja Polska TVP1, 21 december[37](ws-polpraca) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81%C3%B3d%C5%BA]: Yatrides visit to Poland at the official invitation to Warsaw by Lech Walesa (Solidarnosc), Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yatrides having given the proceeds of a painting to charitable causes in Poland. 1984 - Telewizja Polska TVP1 Warsaw January (ws-polpraca)[38]: "Yatrides and his century-The Anti Picasso", a 30-minute Polish TV film, scenario by Tadeusz Rzewuski and Boldan Raczko., reported by Andrej Bilik and Jacques Dechavannes, edited by Mavia Leszczynska, production for Jade Bohdan Raczko and Janusz Kowalski, state control reżyseria muzyczna Oracowante Video, Polish and Russian TV. 1984 - Telewizja Polska TVP2: Yatrides second journey in Poland to Katowiceand notably Wieliczka whose mines were registered in 1978 as World Heritage by UNESCO. The mine was visited by many celebrities and numerous personalities, such as John Paul II, Javier Solana or still George Bush. Many masterpieces carved from salt. 9 levels and 300kms of galleries it now houses a conference center with more than 1,000 people to organize shows and sporting events to 125 m underground and a museum. Finally, more than 200 meters underground is a sanatorium and at 135 meters deep, is located the museum. Visits are organized throughout the year. 1984 Telewizja Polska TVP2, Polish documentary: [39] 1984 - Repertoire of numerous other films: "Painters and sculptors Dictionary" by Yves Deshairs and Maurice Wantellet, TV reports – Switzerland, Germany, Poland and the USSR. 1985 - France 3 TV Channel [40] broadcast, a 45-minute film Provideo Production: "The painter outside the tumult." depicting a trip to Poland and return to the Yatrides studio. Russian and Polish TV programs. 1985 – TV 5 Channel, World TV[41]: "Yatrides’ Art", a 08-minute V.O. production (Version Originale) for State-run, sound and film by Philippe Jomain, production Alain de Borniol based on an idea by Claude Djian. Schools of painting "Contemporary French Masters"18 masters including: Braque, Leger, Picasso, Villon, Yatrides. Chicago, April 1959. "Masters of Modern Art 1910-1960" including: Chagall, Di Chirico, Cocteau, Lhote, Miro, Signac, Yatrides. December 2nd through 31st December 1960, Chicago. "Specialists in 20th Century Masters" summer 1965, including: Calder, Ernst, Giacometti, Magritte, Yatrides. Special mention in "Collector's Choice", International Galleries, Chicago, Director Samuel E. Johnson. Catalogue entry: "Yatrides the painter - utter and pure individuality with unlimited horizons". "Drawings and Watercolors of the French school 1900-1959. December 4th, through December 31st, 1959 Chicago. Le Journal Lyon (Rhone-Alpes), October 13, 1978 University Theses 1981: Thesis by Chantal Clos, "Yatrides, the Painter outside the Tumult" – Master’s degree in the Technical Sciences of Public Relations at Stendhal-Grenoble III University, France[42]. 1983: The Denis Huismans school for higher education in public relations management, training press attachés, recorded as a Memoire study reference the 402-page thesis by Corinne Lehodey: "The Yatrides creation, the influence he exercised, his problems with society, art dealers, without the help of public relations which would certainly have limited his problems"[43][44]. 1999: Several publications are quoted by Yves Deshairs and Maurice Wantellet in the 6-page analysis of Yatrides and his work in the "Dictionary of Painters, Sculptors and Engravers of Dauphine". Published by ALZIEU, La Maison du Livre 1 bis, rue du Moulin, 38120 Le Fontanil, France - Dépôt légal 4ème trimestre 2008- I.S.B.N. 978-2-3502-2065-9. Further reading James L. Crowley physicist, specialist in robotics: Mellon University Pittsburgh Pennsylvania "The Forms of Yatrides" analysis (1997)[45][46]

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23 avril 2013

On the new page regarding the work of Georges Yatrides, it consists solely of non-exhaustive summarized events, major events which marked his career. These facts are corroborated by newspaper articles, including major newspapers and TV reports I recall that Yatridès is 83 years old. Only articles and TV have guided my researches. I am a computer and I contacted the artist to verify its existence in the first and second professional events that marked his life. I hope I have been able to meet the standards of Wikipedia

Gilbert Arnaud

Note: Being an IT specialist and interesting me in the images I was so able to come to those of the paintings of Yatrides there and to notice so, on Yatrides-Talk, the errors of formulation that led me to intervene.

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29 April 2013

Here it after the last text I propose to present Georges Yatrides as requested by User: Theroadislong

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George Yatrides (Georges Yatridès) American artist born in 1931 living in France. He stemmed from a Grandfather Deacon carrying out his Christian pastorate in Rock Springs Wyoming. In his early twenties his work became widely recognised in North America. Today his paintings are held in various collections throughout the world and have featured in retrospectives and Art School events. Eight periods characterise his paintings: "Fauvist" (1945-1948); "Abstract" (1948-1951); "Pre-graphic" (1952-1955/1956-1962); "Fundamental Graphics" 1 and 2 (1963-71/1973-78); "His own school - Apodictic" 1972-1983; "Apodictic Synthesis Period" 1949-2009": "First Synthesis" (1945-1988); "Latter Synthesis" 1945-2011). Yatrides highly prolific output has continued over a period of 65 years. Yatrides early work was influenced by Gauguin and the Fauvists. His first exhibition held in Vichy, France, in 1954 when he was 23 years old, showed paintings dated from 1945 to 1949. A subsequent exhibition held in Paris at Madame Chastenet de Gerry’s Gallery of Vowels in 1956 featured his first Pre-graphic paintings. It was at this exhibition that his approach was appreciated by an expert from the International Galleries, 424 South Michigan Avenue, Chicago. At the age of 26, the artist entered into an exclusive contract with International Galleries’ director, Samuel E. Johnson influential art dealer of his time. By recognising the appeal of remarkable artists and organising exhibitions of their work, Johnson advised and encouraged purchases by prestigious private collections. Arthur Conte was also impressed by the work of Georges Yatrides. A French author and historian, Conte was President of the Assembly of the Western European Union and subsequently became CEO of state-run French radio and television (ORTF). He was official historian of the French Fifth Republic during the presidencies of Charles de Gaulle and Georges Pompidou. His work developing the biography of the artist "Yatrides, Master of Time" was published in 1992. Biography (non exhaustive) For 15 years from 1955 to 1971, Samuel E. Johnson, director of International Galleries held one man exhibitions for Yatrides in various big cities in the United States. Shortly after attention was drawn to Yatrides’ work all his paintings had been acquired by private collectors in Canada, Great Britain, Greece, Latin America, Switzerland and the United States. Johnson maintained a permanent exhibition of Yatrides work, tacitly extending the Gallery’s contracts until they were terminated by George Yatrides himself in 1971. Free of external constraint, mastering new graphics and chromatics, George Yatrides undertook the extrapolation of his fundamental research at the CEA (French Atomic Energy Commission) that enabled him to apply, a new artistic approach to light and non-common time disassociated from space. Following this, George Yatrides undertook the large-scale compositions which characterized his art in the seventies. His own school emerged in 1972-1983 with his "Apodictic period”, where scattered elements melted into his earlier work" said Alexandre (Sacha) Bourmeyster The spiral pillar of time 65x92cm (1982) Yatrides' researches extrapolation of new properties of light and non common time at AEC (French atomic energy commission). Yatrides work Essential vibration 97x130cm (1982) Prefiguration of Melancholia of Lars von Trier movie (2011), Yatrides work . An exhibition was held in Paris by Jean Minet, the director of the Galerie de la Place Beauvau, juxtaposing the offices of the Ministry of the Interior. In 1974, solo retrospective exhibitions were held throughout the world (Mexique, Bresil, Pologne, Grece, France, Angleterre, Suisse) .. In 1981, three Crypts in the Basilica of the Sacré-Cœur in Montmartre, Paris were consecrated to George Yatrides' paintings, an exhibition with a biblical inspiration. When his work was shown at the Galerie du Parc in Geneva, the Israeli Cultural Attaché in Switzerland wanted to commission one of his works for the Israeli State: it was to be hung in the Knesset. Yatrides situation and state of health forced him, regretfully, to decline this offer during a trip to Israel by invitation under the auspices of the Prime Minister, Shimon Peres. In 1983 one of Yatrides paintings, ‘’The Other Shore’’ 1978 (65x92cm) formerly owned by British socialite Gwen Vidler-Dulles, related to the John Foster Dulles family, was sold at Christie’s in London for the record sum of 500,000 Francs (£45,360 sterling) in March The Denis Huismans School of Journalism in Lyon, France, approved a 402-page study thesis by Corinne Lehodey: Pictorial Creation (La création picturale) Yatrides: the influence he exercised during his career, his testing by society, public relations consultants and art dealers. On 12 December 1983 “The New Scrolls” achieved a French sales record at the Hotel Méridien in Paris, under the hammer of the auctioneer Pierre Cornette de Saint-Cyr : Adjudication 800.000 French francs (120.000 Euros)Yatrides donated the proceeds to Poland. He went to Warsaw at the invitation of Lech Walesa and the Polish authorities and assisted in allocating the funds. The subsequent dispatch of more than 600 tons of medical supplies, toys and fruit for children suffering from muscular dystrophy, was organised by the Lyon’s club[47], the Rotary Club[48] and Jacques Dechavanne collector. Since the donation was connected with art it was accepted by communist Poland, even though the merchandise came originally from the United States. In Mexico in 1983 the French composer and conductor, Jacques Charpentier, wrote his "Prelude for the Elsewhere" (Prélude pour l’ailleurs) for strings. This prelude was dedicated to a canvas by George Yatrides "The New Scrolls" (Les nouveaux rouleaux) 1977 (60x92cm) . In 1985 a world record for the sale of a drawing was attained by Movement of a Memory (Mouvement d’une mémoire) 1981 (43 x 63cm); the selling price being higher than that for any drawing by Rembrandt, Willem de Kooning, Magritte or Picasso. On 17 January 1996 an organization was founded in France in the name of George Yatrides, his work being officially recognized as being of public interest. First appearance of the Monolithic Slab, the keystone in the movie 2001, a Space Odyssey Deux personnages sur la plage 100X63cm 1963 Yatrides work Le théorème 41x31.8cm sanguine 1960 Yatrides work Christ, Leica and orange 92x73cm (1963) Christ on the slab, Yatrides work Art critics and members of the scientific community saw marked similarities between Kubrick’s monolith in his artistic cinematographic work and the slabs in the pictorial art of Georges Yatrides. Alexandre (Sacha) Bourmeyster[49] , Historians , Physicist [50][51], French-born Russian semiologist, analysed the slabs depicted in some fifteen of Yatrides’ paintings from 1951 to 1965. He commented that "their power to transcend life in a supernatural manner symbolizes a mystic vector of absolute knowledge in a way that recalls Kubrick’s 2001, a Space Odyssey". He emphasised the impact of George Yatrides’ work on Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick stating that Yatrides monolithic slabs are the same as those used by Kubrick and Clarke in their 1968 movie. The French architectural website CYBER ARCHItecte also notes this fact. Christophe Odin, modelling engineer in mathematical concepts and designer of the Kelkoo software[52], also noticed the striking similarity between the Clark/Kubrick slab of 1968 and Yatrides 1951 painting and other of his works that included slabs (whether thin or thick) up until 1963. Yatrides monolithic slabs are portrayed in several different colours - black, dark gray, blue, white. In the film, the black monolith flying in space turns blue and elsewhere is a bright, dazzling white with intersidereal gleams. Arthur Conte, in its biographical work "Yatrides, Master of Time" published in 1992, he discusses a representative work "The Teenager and Child" (L'Adolescent et l'Enfant) painted in 1963. It is one of fifteen paintings depicting slabs similar to that represented by Kubrick Since 1956 paintings by Yatrides have been exhibited in public galleries in major cities in various States in the USA, through the good offices of Samuel E. Johnson of International Galleries, Chicago. The similarity with the Kubrick slabs is also mentioned in various analyses at several outstanding events including the Canada-France International Biennials in their editions of 1987, 1989 and 1991, 1993. Yatrides was Principle Guest of Honour at these Biennials. James L. Crowley, Physicist and specialist in robotics, Mellon University Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, analysed the characteristics of the Yatrides Slabs and their clear similarity to those of Clarke and Kubrick. The special edition of Cinema Diaries entitled “2001, the future according to Kubrick” points out that Arthur C. Clarke and/or Stanley Kubrick visited art galleries to find inspiration and produce their highly acclaimed movie about the conquest of space. Compilation purpose: Eternity, 24x31cm, Etude November 1957, Yatrides work Retrospectives and events The Slab realizes Bowman resurrection. Fetus: Yatrides' vision * 1958: "Drawings and Watercolors of the French School 1910-1960" Chicago. Works of artists most of whom had part taken part in the Yatrides' slab monolith such as it appears in 2001 a space odyssey 1st sequence. Yatrides' vision. illustrious exhibition "From Clouet to Matisse - French Drawings on loan from American Private Collections" organized at the Musée de l'Orangerie by the American Embassy in Paris in 1958.. 1963: . Juarez Gallery, 337 Worth Av. Palm Beach, 21 February-5 March 1963 noted: "Yatrides, so individualistic, draws the attention of the patron and connoisseur, reaches for something completely different in quality and style" signed Gregg Juarez. 1974: Palais des Congrès Nice, France: "Retrospective drawings, 1957-1974" organised by Jean-Charles Lignel, owner of the daily newspaper Progrès de Lyon.. 1979: Château de la Condamine, Corenc, France: "Retrospective – Paintings and Drawings 1945-1978". Catalogue by the town council of Meylan, 38000 France. 1984: Château de la Condamine, Corenc, France: "Metallogram Retrospective". 1984: Grand Palais in Paris at the Salon comparaison. The work of Yatridès shown by Jean Minet, director of the Galerie d’Art de la Place Beauvau, which is adjacent to the offices of the French Ministry of the Interior. 1983: Jacques Charpentier, renowned French composer dedicated his "Prelude for the Elsewhere" (Prélude pour l'ailleurs) for violin and orchestra to the painting "The New Scrolls"” (Les nouveaux rouleaux). 1983: In April, Maggi Nolan published in Celebrity News: One of Yatrides paintings, The Other Shore (L’autre rive)(65x92cm, 1978) formerly owned by British socialite Gwen Vidler-Dulles, related to the John Foster Dulles family, was sold at Christie’s in London for the record sum of 500,000 Francs (£45,360 sterling) in March. "More than 300 of his paintingsare held in private collections in the United States. In 1959 his works were hung in an exhibition of Contemporary French Masters alongside the works of Picasso, Chagall, Braque and Chapelain-Midy". Reported by Maggy Nollan, 1983: The Financial Times published the information that: "A Yatrides’ painting of 1978 entitled the Other Shore L’autre rive (65x92cm, 1978) sold for £ 45,360"."A Christie’s record" 1983: Eleventh and Twelfth Salons in Montmorency, Val d’Oise 95000, France. "Yatrides, whom the poet René Char called 'The Painter outside the tumult' and whose major works, on loan here from wealthy collectors, are rarely exhibited", said Fabienne Pascaud on 15 November 1983. "As scholar, as artist, Yatrides is the Painter of the sky and the earth, expressing extraordinary wild beauty". Patrice Dubois and Marie-Christine Hugonot, 25 November 1983. 1984/1985: "Who's Who in international art". International Biographical Art Dictionary. Art development ADT S.A. Geneva/Lausanne. 1987/988: "Who's Who in international art", "His unremitting persistence in delving into and developing the possibilities of the Graphic School that Yatrides today finds himself increasingly distinguished from the others artists. 1988: 7-23 May, Twenty-third Salon in Montargis, Loiret 45000, France. Yatrides special guest of honour. 1988: Wednesday 27 December, Daupiné Libéré, title of article "Yatrides is among the elected Art representatives" "This work the Adolecsent and child has a price: it was sold 13,0 00,000 Francs (1,515,000,000 €)" signed Véronique Juillard 1988: Canada-France International biennials 1988 in Québec, Chaired by Madeleine D. Tremblay and organised by Jean-François Echegut who arranged a specially chartered Boeing to fly more than 170 artists from over 35 countries to Canada. Their work was shipped in a 30 cubic-meter sea container carrying more than 1,000 works of art. Yatrides, the great painter, is the main guest of these Biennials, which are supported by Valéry Giscard d’Estaing the former President of France, bringing together the works of Yatrides with those of Chagall, Cocteau, André Lhote, Matisse and Picasso. Signed Jean-François Echegut. 1989: Biennale d’Auvergne. Guest of honour. The event was supported by more than 10 French cities 1989 Wednesday 11 January: Dauphiné Libéré title of the article Un nouveau Commandeur dans l’Ordre de l’étoile de l’Europe:The European Ministerial and parliamentary Service(Department) of Information (SEIMP) which brings together writers such Leopold Senghor, politician such Simone Weil, artists such Yehudi Menuhin and the composer Olivier Messiaen, raised in his rank a painter of American origin, Georges Yatrides so named in the Who's Who in international Art the 1988 edition, the cave of the saints of pictorial world and chorography, whose the most recent quotation was registered recorded more than 13 millions and 300.000 francs that is 1.900.000€, on November 10th, 1988. 1991-1993: Canada-France Biennials , Quebec. Yatrides was principle guest of honour. 1996: Guide Mayer. The Art Auctions Dictionary: Importantes étapes de l’œuvre de Yatridespublished: "Significant stages in the work of Yatrides" . 1999: The Benezit Dictionary of Artists (Emmanuel Benezit): 14 volumes, included the entry "Specific characteristics of Yatrides Work".Publication ceased in 2006. 1998/1999: "Who's Who in international art". International Biographical Art Dictionary. Art developpement ADT S.A. Geneva/Lausanne. 2008: Painters, sculptors and engravers 1981: French International Bureau of Fiscal Investigation, Prefectural records in Grenoble 1981 and Paris 1985: Yatrides draws his inspiration from a vast culture that embraces the adventure not only from the earliest archaeology but also the most advanced of sciences. Georges Yatrides follows in the footsteps of the greatest masters. For the quality of his work and the message he proclaims, he is on a high peak, way ahead of the pictorial creation of our time. It would not be in the public interest for officialdom to unrelentingly try to trace an illusory income, since in doing so it would run the risk of compromising the creative activity and perhaps even the life of an artist where everything suggests he will be among those whoactually contributed greatly to la culture française. Selected TV News and other TV Reports 1979 - France 3 Rhone-Alpes TV[53]: "Yatrides, painter of future memory" produced for, by Daniel Danneyrolles, filmed by O. Battanchon, edited by M. Jourdan, titles Ch. Brulé, 30-minute reports broadcast on 27, 28, 29 September 1979 . 1981 - Provideo TV Production a 15-minute.film: "Picture Hooks in the Sky" (Les cimaises du ciel) 1981 - Antenne 2 Channel[54], broadcast an 8-minute film : Three crypts allocated to the work of Yatrides in the Sacré-Cœur Basilica in Montmartre, Paris. Part of a Provideo TV 1981 – France 3 TV Channel[55] Evening news Ile de France an 8-minute report by Micheline Sandrel, filmed by André Muller. 1981 - France 3 TV Channel[56]: "Yatrides, the painter outside the tumult". MSTC, Stendhal-Grenoble III University, Masters Degree in public relations technical services: by Pascale Nougier and Paul Scinaquella, an 15-minute film production by Chantal Clos and Odile Ragot with the support of Sacha Bourmeyster and Daniel Lambin. 1983 - France 3 TV Channel on June [57], broadcast 15- minute broadcast: "Mastery of an unusual time " by René Char ". Provideo production. 1983 – Antenne 2 Channel, broadcast on 13 December in the 1pm News by Daniel Bilalian[58]Daniel Bilalian: "Lech Walesa - Georges Yatrides" broadcast on Yatrides the painter and Lech Walesa, holder of the Nobel Peace Prize."Yatrides looks closely at Poland and its children". 1983 – Antenne 2 Channel broadcast on 13 december in the 8pm News[59]: "Yatrides and Poland", Gwyneth Vidler-Dulles, sister-in-law of John Foster Dulles US Secretary of State, bought the painting entitled "The New Scrolls" for 800,000 French Francs. "This sum was donated to Poland and represented 700 tons of medicines, toys and fruit, amounting to 40 8truckloads".[60] 1983 - France 3 TV Channel[61] on 13 december after the sale in the evening: "Jacques Charpentier at the Méridian", Provideo production, bearing a label with a Yatrides painting, of a 15-minute talk by Sacha Bourmeyster[62], introducing Jacques Charpentier[63] and his classical orchestra and setting the tone for the evening after the sale of "The New Scrolls" at the Méridien Hotel under the aegis of the Lion’s club [64] and the International Rotary Club[65][66]. 1983 - Antenne 2 Channel 13 december[67]l : Yatrides work auctioned by Cornette de Saint Cyr at the Méridien Hotel, 80 bld Gouvion Saint Cyr, Porte Maillot, Parisfor the benefit of Poland: € 120,000 realised.[68][69] 1983 - Telewizja Polska TVP1, 21 december[70](ws-polpraca): Yatrides visit to Poland at the official invitation to Warsaw by Lech Walesa (Solidarnosc)[71], Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yatrides having given the proceeds of a painting to charitable causes in Poland. 1984 - Telewizja Polska TVP1 Warsaw January (ws-polpraca)[72]: "Yatrides and his century-The Anti Picasso", a 30-minute Polish TV film, scenario by Tadeusz Rzewuski and Boldan Raczko., reported by Andrej Bilik and Jacques Dechavannes, edited by Mavia Leszczynska, production for Jade Bohdan Raczko and Janusz Kowalski, state control reżyseria muzyczna Oracowante Video, Polish and Russian TV. 1984 - Telewizja Polska TVP2: Yatrides second journey in Poland to Katowiceand notably Wieliczka whose mines were registered in 1978 as World Heritage by UNESCO. The mine was visited by many celebrities and numerous personalities, such as John Paul II, Javier Solana or still George Bush. Many masterpieces carved from salt. 9 levels and 300kms of galleries it now houses a conference center with more than 1,000 people to organize shows and sporting events to 125 m underground and a museum. Finally, more than 200 meters underground is a sanatorium and at 135 meters deep, is located the museum. Visits are organized throughout the year. 1984 Telewizja Polska TVP2, Polish documentary: [73] 1984 - Repertoire of numerous other films: "Painters and sculptors Dictionary" by Yves Deshairs and Maurice Wantellet, TV reports – Switzerland, Germany, Poland and the USSR. 1985 - France 3 TV Channel [74] broadcast, a 45-minute film Provideo Production: "The painter outside the tumult." depicting a trip to Poland and return to the Yatrides studio. Russian and Polish TV programs. 1985 – TV 5 Channel, World TV[75]: "Yatrides’ Art", a 08-minute V.O. production (Version Originale) for State-run, sound and film by Philippe Jomain, production Alain de Borniol based on an idea by Claude Djian. Schools of painting "Contemporary French Masters"18 masters including: Braque, Leger, Picasso, Villon, Yatrides. Chicago, April 1959. "Masters of Modern Art 1910-1960" including: Chagall, Di Chirico, Cocteau, Lhote, Miro, Signac, Yatrides. December 2nd through 31st December 1960, Chicago. "Specialists in 20th Century Masters" summer 1965, including: Calder, Ernst, Giacometti, Magritte, Yatrides. Special mention in "Collector's Choice", International Galleries, Chicago, Director Samuel E. Johnson. Catalogue entry: "Yatrides the painter - utter and pure individuality with unlimited horizons". "Drawings and Watercolors of the French school 1900-1959. December 4th, through December 31st, 1959 Chicago. University Theses 1981: Thesis by Chantal Clos, "Yatrides, the Painter outside the Tumult" – Master’s degree in the Technical Sciences of Public Relations at Stendhal-Grenoble III University, France[76]. 1983: The Denis Huismans school for higher education in public relations management, training press attachés, recorded as a Memoire study reference the 402-page thesis by Corinne Lehodey: "The Yatrides creation, the influence he exercised, his problems with society, art dealers, without the help of public relations which would certainly have limited his problems"[77][78]. 1999: Several publications are quoted by Yves Deshairs and Maurice Wantellet in the 6-page analysis of Yatrides and his work in the "Dictionary of Painters, Sculptors and Engravers of Dauphine". Published by ALZIEU, La Maison du Livre 1 bis, rue du Moulin, 38120 Le Fontanil, France - Dépôt légal 4ème trimestre 2008-. Further reading James L. Crowley physicist, specialist in robotics: Mellon University Pittsburgh Pennsylvania "The Forms of Yatrides" analysis (1997)[79][80] References

--Arnaugi (talk) 12:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Arnaugi, posting entire copies of articles is making discussion extremly difficult.

Arnaugi, I have concerns about your addtions to this article and i suspect other editors do as well, can you please respond to concerns here in comprehensible english without posting a whole copy of the article you keep trying to post? My concerns are as follows.

1. You only post to this article and only started doing so, immitatly after Yatrides was informed that he was not allowed to post to this article as it was a conflict of interest. This makes me think you are associated with Georges Yatridès or an orginization related to him. Can you verify that you have no connection to Georges Yatridès or his orginzation(s)?

2. Your edits, and talk page posts, are usualy unreadable by me (a native english speaker) as there grammar is impossible to parse, this makes communication very difficult, additonally I am concerned you are not able to understand the policies of english wikpedia. Can you assure me, and other editors that you understand the policies?

3. Those parts of the article that you have added that I can read, don't seem particularly neutral. Can you please be careful to not overly supportive of Georges Yatridès in your edits? CombatWombat42 (talk) 14:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Neutrality of this article and speciffically Arnaugi and Yatrides

I fear that there are numours issues related to this article and these users Arnaugi and Yatrides. Can I get some comments related to:

1. The quality of the english used. 2. The history of this article since the two users started editing it. 3. How to procede?

CombatWombat42 (talk) 14:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Survey

Your question is so broad that it would at least an an hour of reading and absorbing to make a thoughtful comment. So responses might tend to be just a "quick thought" or responding to one item or another. I'm not willing to spend that hour to make one entry to such a list, but I would happy to be a bit of an "advisor" to the article if y'all wish. If so just ping me on my talk page. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:58, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

One quick policy note. Accounts must one individual. (see wp:NOSHARE) I don't think that there's anything wrong with an individual claiming to represent an organization, but Yatrides has made a few statements and word choices which could be taken as it being a group account and thus in essence disclaiming single-individual accountability. If it is a shared account, Yatrides should rectify that situation. If it is not a shared account, Yatrides should write/confirm. North8000 (talk) 11:58, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I believe this is more approriate for the conflict of interest noticeboard. I dream of horses (T) @ 21:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

30 April 2013

I am a specialist in computing (IT) and fascinated by the images. The density of the work of Yatridès interests me. I verified the text as well as it is allowed by the standards of Wikipedia. I belong to no organization and I was only verifying the numerous references concerning the articles of newspapers, of major magazines and TV broadcasts which concern its work. The Wikipedia article is reshaped by Susan Watson translator who understands Wikipedia politicises, co-author of the book ‘’Language for Law’’ published in 1995. She is independent as me.

Gilbert Arnaud

Susan Watson remark

Dear Mr Arnaud

Re: Wikipedia

You have drawn my attention to a remark regarding the text on Yatrides career as an artist that I translated and that has been submitted to Wikipedia. I have copied the note received from the moderator and have noticed a comment that I find a little confusing and a sentence that was not in the article I submitted. This sentence should not have appeared in the article and it is understandable that it should give rise to a query:

First error (29 April 2013)

Here it after the last text I propose to present Georges Yatrides as requested by User: Theroadislong

Change: I propose to present Georges Yatrides as requested by the moderator

Second error (29 April 2013)

He stemmed from a Grandfather Deacon carrying out his Christian pastorate in Rock Springs Wyoming

Change: His Grandfather was an Orthodox Christian Deacon who carried out his pastoral duties in Rock Springs, Wyoming

Mr Arnaud,

I would like to assure you that I was born and educated in Britain, was a commissioned officer in the W.R.A.F. and subsequently worked in industry, studying and obtaining the Institute of Personnel Management diploma and a training qualification at Strathclyde University. After moving to France I taught English at the University of Montpellier, most particularly at the School of Pharmacy and at the Law School. I am co-author of the book “Language for Law” published in 1995. Co-incidentally, I started my own translating company; I do not translate literary works. Should the moderator require further confirmation of my competence please do not hesitate to contact me. Yours sincerely,

Susan Watson

Below, the new text concerning the introduction of the Wikipedia article.

Extended content

George Yatrides (Georges Yatridès) American artist born in 1931 living in France. His Grandfather was an Orthodox Christian Deacon who carried out his pastoral duties in Rock Springs, Wyoming. In his early twenties his work became widely recognised in North America. Today his paintings are held in various collections throughout the world and have featured in retrospectives and Art School events. Eight periods characterise his paintings: "Fauvist" (1945-1948); "Abstract" (1948-1951); "Pre-graphic" (1952-1955/1956-1962); "Fundamental Graphics" 1 and 2 (1963-71/1973-78); "His own school - Apodictic" 1972-1983; "Apodictic Synthesis Period" 1949-2009": "First Synthesis" (1945-1988); "Latter Synthesis" 1945-2011). Yatrides highly prolific output has continued over a period of 65 years. Yatrides early work was influenced by Gauguin and the Fauvists. His first exhibition held in Vichy, France, in 1954 when he was 23 years old, showed paintings dated from 1945 to 1949. A subsequent exhibition held in Paris at Madame Chastenet de Gerry’s Gallery of Vowels in 1956 featured his first Pre-graphic paintings. It was at this exhibition that his approach was appreciated by an expert from the International Galleries, 424 South Michigan Avenue, Chicago. At the age of 26, the artist entered into an exclusive contract with International Galleries’ director, Samuel E. Johnson influential art dealer of his time. By recognising the appeal of remarkable artists and organising exhibitions of their work, Johnson advised and encouraged purchases by prestigious private collections. Arthur Conte was also impressed by the work of Georges Yatrides. A French author and historian, Conte was President of the Assembly of the Western European Union and subsequently became CEO of state-run French radio and television (ORTF). He was official historian of the French Fifth Republic during the presidencies of Charles de Gaulle and Georges Pompidou. His work developing the biography of the artist "Yatrides, Master of Time" was published in 1992.

--Arnaugi (talk) 18:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

References

Yatrides 22 may 2013

I confirm that my name 'Yatrides' as User is a single identity on Wikipedia. I do not represent any group or organization neither for a website and depends on no one. All that is written on Internet and notably on Wikipedia comes from third party sources (articles of newspapers and magazines, Academic studies, TV information and broadcasts, movies).

The English language that I use is English UK. Please consider that it is correct. But perhaps it is necessary to use English US.

All that is quoted on Internet, of which all the sites which are interested in my work are only made up of references, exactly as it is the case in Wikipedia. That relates to my biography, results of my scientific work, like those of my pictorial work, come from sources third: press articles, magazines, editions ISBN of independent authors, historians, philosophers, scenario writers, reports TV, TV information, studies of my work by universities, videos and films. Whether one likes or that one does not appreciate my work, one cannot omit the existence of references.

These sources are French, English, USA and Canada, Eastern Europe. Please, it is now useful that the text which relates to my work with its images is published, considering that I am 82 years old. Could you take account, so that my work is not injured? Finally the 60 years should be considered, that is to say the totality of my working life, during which I depended on anybody. Yatrides

--Yatrides (talk) 16:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Arnaugi 30 may 2013

Yatrides article

Your questions were answered correctly. Please withdraw the banners; they do not correspond to the situation present, and can carry damage to George Yatrides work. I recall you the wording of it:

First point, Yatrides confirms that his name (sic, may 22 Yatrides talk): Yatrides as User is a single identity on Wikipedia. He does not represent any group or organization neither for a website and depends on no one. All that is written on Wikipedia comes from third party sources (articles of newspapers and magazines, Academic studies, TV information and broadcasts, movies). The numbered references give the extracts of articles which relate to only Yatrides. When these references numbered does not quote extracts, it is that those extracts are in the various chapters of the general text.

Taking into consideration these facts, Yatrides was restored as a Wikipedia user by Daniel Case on April 26th.

Secondly, Arnaugi represents my name Gilbert Arnaud, a specialist in data processing. I was a programmer statistician in the Centre Air-France in Massy, Paris, France. I have my own company. I am independent and do not belong to any group or any organization. I appreciate art and science. Thus the work of Yatrides intrigued me concerning the objections of Daniel Case and other regulators of Wikipedia. That pushed me to check the whole of the references which relate to George Yatrides himself and his work as well scientific as pictorial. Conclusion, these references come from qualitative level sources third. They underline a dense and rare biography. I noted that Yatrides did not use the Wiki codes correctly, what could cause the reactions of Daniel Case. Among numerous available references, only a brief selection is indexed.

In third, I noticed that English used for the integral article of April 29th, 2013 with the reproduced paintings, was of English GB with some errors corrected by Susan Watson, in particular in the first paragraph, such as it appears in Yatrides Talk on May 22nd 2013, "Introduction" of this integral article of April 29th. Susan Watson is English professor in University, co-publisher of the work "The language of the law", qualified of the codes of Wikipedia; That is specified in the paragraph "Survey" of Yatrides talk. She notes: I have just looked at the instructions "Tutorial/Editing". I do not find criticisms grammar/orthography justified, except for the sentences that I modified. Susan Watson May 6th, 2013

Could you withdraw the banners.

I subject the article corrected to you below, so that it is published under the best conditions. This article is in certified English GB.

Gilbert Arnaud (Arnaugi)

Article problems after coi re-write

What a mess! The article has been entirely re-written by a conflict of interest editor with no regard to WP:MOS It now contains non neutral peacock terms, much original research, too much detail and dozens of inline external links. Don't know where to begin to fix the multitude of problems?Theroadislong (talk) 15:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree, unfortunately User:Arnaugi clearly is a very basic user of english and has no regard for any wikipedia policies or style guidelines. I would really like to see a third and fourth opinion if possible. I just don't know where to get such an opinion. CombatWombat42 (talk) 16:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I have asked for help at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Contemporary_Art and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography hopefully that will provide a 3rd and 4th opinion, or some re-writes. CombatWombat42 (talk) 16:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your input. I'll hold fire until other opinions are found.Theroadislong (talk) 16:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Agree. Keep up the good work. Johnbod (talk) 22:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I was about to reply at WikProject Visual Arts to say exactly what Theroadislong said i.e. it's a mess! Maybe the single issue author is a relative, they are certainly an enthusiastic advocate for Yatridès! I've done a small amount of cleaning up. At least the author has provided sources, even though they are often short of detail. Sionk (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

It might be simpler in light of more recent comments below, to revert to the last good version here [81] Theroadislong (talk) 08:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Youtube

Youtube is not a reliable source of information, see Wikipedia:Reliable source examples#Are IRC, MySpace, Facebook, and YouTube reliable sources?.

Since uncited information must be removed from articles about living people, I've moved it here as a work-space to see if there are reliable secondary sources (newspaper articles, books, information on museum sites, etc.) for the following:

• 1983 – Antenne 2 Channel broadcast on 13 December in the 8pm News: "Yatrides and Poland", Gwyneth Vidler-Dulles, sister-in-law of John Foster Dulles US Secretary of State, bought the painting entitled "The New Scrolls" for 800,000 French Francs. "This sum was donated to Poland and represented 700 tons of medicines, toys and fruit, amounting to 40 8truckloads".

• 1983 - France 3 TV Channel on 13 December after the sale in the evening: "Jacques Charpentier at the Méridian", Provideo production, bearing a label with a Yatrides painting, of a 15-minute talk by Sacha Bourmeyster, introducing Jacques Charpentier and his classical orchestra and setting the tone for the evening after the sale of "The New Scrolls" at the Méridien Hotel under the aegis of the Lion’s club and the International Rotary Club

• 1983 - Antenne 2 Channel 13 December : Yatrides work auctioned by Cornette de Saint Cyr at the Méridien Hotel, 80 bld Gouvion Saint Cyr, Porte Maillot, Parisfor the benefit of Poland: € 120,000 realised.

• 1984 Telewizja Polska TVP2, Polish documentary

Are there reliable, secondary sources for this information?--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia not an acceptable source (circular sourcing - need reliable secondary sources)

Wikipedia is not an acceptable source: it's an encyclopedia, it's a circular reference, it's not a reliable, secondary source which is what is needed to properly cite content. See: WP:Reliable sources

• 1983: The Denis Huismans school for higher education in public relations management, training press attachés, recorded as a Memoire study reference the 402-page thesis by Corinne Lehodey: "The Yatrides creation, the influence he exercised, his problems with society, art dealers, without the help of public relations which would certainly have limited his problems"[82][83].

Is there a reliable secondary source (newspaper, book, museum info, etc) for this?--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced info

As is said at the top of this talk page: Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page.

I've moved the following information here to see if there's reliable, secondary sources (i.e., a short term workspace) to resolve this:

• Yatrides situation and state of health forced him, regretfully, to decline this offer during a trip to Israel by invitation under the auspices of the Prime Minister, Shimon Peres.
• Wanting to be independent vis-à-vis the Foundation Yatrides agreed to be Honorary Member only.
• about the conquest of space. (was last sentence before Retrospectives and events section)
• 1963:. Juarez Gallery, 337 Worth Av. Palm Beach, 21 February-5 March 1963 noted: "Yatrides, so individualistic, draws the attention of the patron and connoisseur, reaches for something completely different in quality and style" signed Gregg Juarez. {a little confused about the citation at the beginning of the bullet)
• 1984/1985: "Who's Who in international art". International Biographical Art Dictionary. Art development ADT S.A. Geneva/Lausanne.
• 1998/1999: "Who's Who in international art". International Biographical Art Dictionary. Art developpement ADT S.A. Geneva/Lausanne.
• 1979 - France 3 Rhone-Alpes TV: "Yatrides, painter of future memory" produced for, by Daniel Danneyrolles, filmed by O. Battanchon, edited by M. Jourdan, titles Ch. Brulé, 30-minute reports broadcast on 27, 28, 29 September 1979.
• 1981 – France 3 TV Channel Evening news Ile de France an 8-minute report by Micheline Sandrel, filmed by André Muller.
• 1981 - France 3 TV Channel: "Yatrides, the painter outside the tumult". MSTC, Stendhal-Grenoble III University, Masters Degree in public relations technical services: by Pascale Nougier and Paul Scinaquella, an 15-minute film production by Chantal Clos and Odile Ragot with the support of Sacha Bourmeyster and Daniel Lambin.
• 1983 - France 3 TV Channel on June, broadcast 15- minute broadcast: "Mastery of an unusual time" by René Char.
• 1983 - Telewizja Polska TVP1, 21 december (ws-polpraca): Yatrides visit to Poland at the official invitation to Warsaw by Lech Walesa (Solidarnosc), Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yatrides having given the proceeds of a painting to charitable causes in Poland.
• 1984 - Telewizja Polska TVP1 Warsaw January (ws-polpraca): "Yatrides and his century-The Anti Picasso", a 30-minute Polish TV film, scenario by Tadeusz Rzewuski and Boldan Raczko., reported by Andrej Bilik and Jacques Dechavannes, edited by Mavia Leszczynska, production for Jade Bohdan Raczko and Janusz Kowalski, state control reżyseria muzyczna Oracowante Video, Polish and Russian TV.
• 1984 - Telewizja Polska TVP2: Yatrides second journey in Poland to Katowiceand notably Wieliczka whose mines were registered in 1978 as World Heritage by UNESCO. The mine was visited by many celebrities and numerous personalities, such as John Paul II, Javier Solana or still George Bush. Many masterpieces carved from salt. 9 levels and 300kms of galleries it now houses a conference center with more than 1,000 people to organize shows and sporting events to 125 m underground and a museum. Finally, more than 200 meters underground is a sanatorium and at 135 meters deep, is located the museum. Visits are organized throughout the year.

• 1984 - Repertoire of numerous other films: "Painters and sculptors Dictionary" by Yves Deshairs and Maurice Wantellet, TV reports – Switzerland, Germany, Poland and the USSR.

• 1985 - France 3 TV Channel broadcast, a 45-minute film Provideo Production: "The painter outside the tumult." depicting a trip to Poland and return to the Yatrides studio. Russian and Polish TV programs.

• 1985 – TV5 Monde Channel, World TV: "Yatrides’ Art", a 08-minute V.O. production (Version Originale) for State-run, sound and film by Philippe Jomain, production Alain de Borniol based on an idea by Claude Djian.

The volume of uncited information seems to indicate WP:Original research and/or the author is very close to the subject. Are there published sources for this information? Is this being done by the subject or someone close to the subject?--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

And then, as with the section above, how much of this stuff should be included, even if referenced. See WP:NOTRESUME etc. Johnbod (talk) 08:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Very good point!--CaroleHenson (talk) 08:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Revert to last good version

Regarding the comment (in one of the earlier threads):

It might be simpler in light of more recent comments below, to revert to the last good version here [84] Theroadislong (talk) 08:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Excellent idea! That's something that could be worked with!--CaroleHenson (talk) 08:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Finding good sources

I'm having trouble so far finding good sources: There's nothing on HighBeam. I couldn't find anything in Google News, except one article in archive that for some reason I cannot bring up.

In google books there are two books that seem to apply that are not used. Unfortunately, they don't have preview:

• L'Hôtel Méridien (Porte Maillot) (1983). Une oeuvre de Georges Yatridès pour le Noël polonais. Retrieved 8 June 2013. This is: A work of Yatridès for Polish Christmas and is an 8 page document.
• Le Point. 1985. Retrieved 8 June 2013. This has a brief snippet: Rambouillet, 20 octobre : tableaux modernes, dont une œuvre de Georges Yatridès au profit de Fraternité internationale France. Versailles, Rameau

I was going to check out major museums. Any other ideas?--CaroleHenson (talk) 09:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure if he was in any the article would mention it. You might look at the French article for a more appropriate length. I haven't examined the history there. Note how what sources there are are all in French, though he has apparently been living in the States for decades, & is a big success there. This is just massively over-inflated. Johnbod (talk) 09:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

In different big libraries, you can find some documents :

• Tate library L'Hôtel Méridien (Porte Maillot) (1983). Une oeuvre de Georges Yatridès pour le Noël polonais [sale of work]. Retrieved 26 september 2013. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help) This is: A work of Yatridès sold in benefit of childs for Polish Christmas
• Bibliothèque nationale de France International galleries (Chicago) (1959). Exhibition Georges Yatridès. Retrieved 26 september 2013. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
• Mc Gill Library : Yatridès : retrospective 1945-1978 , publication for his solo exhibition in Corenc (France) in 1979

Association culturelle de Corenc (1959). Yatridès : retrospective 1945-1978. Retrieved 26 september 2013. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

• Kandisky Library : Centre de documentation et de recherche du musée national d'art moderne

Solo exhibition in Paris in 1973 Paris : Galerie Jean-Charles Lignel, 1973 (1973). Exposition. Paris, Galerie Jean-Charles Lignel. 1973. Retrieved 26 september 2013. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

• Bibliothèque de Grenoble

[S.l.] : Biennale, [1993] ( Nice : Imprimix) (1993). Yatridès grand invité d'honneur = Great master guest : biennales internationales, 1991-1993. Retrieved 27 september 2013. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

[Turin] : [Imp. La Grafica], ca 1984 (1984). Georges Yatridès, les métallogrammes et Jacques Mantello. Retrieved 27 september 2013. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

There is a lot of article of newspaper, but only paper version due to the publication date, I can provide a list if you need.

Kristoguy (talk) 08:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Good point about the museums! There's a mention of one museum, but not which museum and there's no mention in the french article, that I could tell, to his work being in a museum. Shucks! That's where I usually get a lot of good info.

The french article is a bit of a mess, too - but not as bad as before this article was reverted. If one took out the uncited info, it would be about this length. I'll refer back to it as I get along as a cross-check. I'm now getting info about sold paintings, so I can develop a list of works... and then see where the threads might lead to.

It's just so strange that he'd be a big success here, but nothing would be in the print media. hmmm. Seeing some of his early works just now, though, it's interesting to see the progression of his work over time. Thanks so much for jumping in with your comments -- you provide a good grounding for moving forward!!!--CaroleHenson (talk) 10:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone, by chance, have a subscription to AskArt to get more information from http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/biography.aspx?searchtype=BIO&artist=101185? There's only a snipet available to non-subscribers.--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The lengthy new version of the article listed a wide variety of news sources. Because Yatridès is not a young artists and has been active over a long period, I find it believable he received coverage in news sources which are not available online. I'm not sure what benefit there was to delete them all (as you have done)! Sionk (talk) 23:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Because of what appears to have been reluctance to resolve the COI, peacock, primary source issues, guidelines for creating biographical articles about living people, etc. -- it is a bit hard to take it for granted that sources added really do have the information stated in the article if it cannot be verified, especially in the cases where there is incomplete citation information. It has also been suggested that there's also content that should should not be returned.

Based upon the amount of information that is easily available (and a fair amount that I found that wasn't easily found) about this artist, I personally think it's in a good place -- and the best place to get the kind of detail that some folks may want to have in the article is the artist's websites (and those links are in the external links section).

It would be helpful, though, at this point to have the folks who have been weighing in on the article about unmet guidelines to see how it stands. And, as one of the editors suggested - there are editors that would be happy to get it to the best place possible (within the guidelines) - and I'm just that kind of person. I'll be happy to help make it the best we can, even by going back through the past info to mine for useable content,--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC) if there's consensus about doing that.--CaroleHenson (talk) 14:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I like this version of the article much more. I think some of the content posted by User:Arnaugi probably has some value, but it was difficult to read due to the grammar used. I am unfortunately unwilling to go find it. I do appreciate the work all of you have done for this article, thank you. CombatWombat42 (talk) 21:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Georges Yatrides

29 june 2013

Dear Carol,

An initial response is sent you in order not to overwhelm you. The rest will follow.

1. I would first like to thank you for the changes you have made. I sincerely appreciate the tone you use for your comments. I hope the encyclopaedic style will give a correct idea of my life as a painter and scientist, because painting allows me to express what science can achieve intrinsically.
2. Concerning my career, about my fundamental research accomplished at CEA (AEC- French government Atomic Energy Commission) I demonstrated my theory on new properties of light from solid body incandescence and its influence on hydrocarbon materials (USA Patent No. 3,840,028 -08 October 1974), recalling here that the human race is hydrocarbon-like all mammals and that our Sun is variable thermonuclear incandescence like other stars. The results of my research determine the development of a second correlative theory: non interdependence of light, space and time, thus detected. If in chemistry are patentable only operations leading to innovative change of the experienced substances, they can demonstrate a specific theory. Extrapolation on an artistic plan, my theory gave me to apply on a flat surface, a painting, a new approach of light, of time (which is the case of the painting "The spiral of time pillar" 65x92cm, (1982).
3. Another added painting "Essential Vibration" 97x130cm (1982) applies a new approach of light and time. But also, it is the foreshadowing of the film Lars von Trier "Melancholia", about which background is represented by a collision with our planet the Earth. It is highlighted by Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster (Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster- SGDL Society of Men of Letters of France [85]).
4. Of patents in my name all exclusive claims were granted in countries with harsh examinations, honored in particular by the United States Patent Office in Washington DC" (yatrides.com> Its life> Entourage: Paul Perroud Director, Offices of Special Application of Physics, French Atomic Centre, CEA-CENG). This is what is shown in "Yatrides and his century" that you quote: On 17 January 1996, Yatrides et son siècle was established to protect the public, civil and professional interests of Yatrides works. The organization is composed of "senior officials".[15]. If this seems interesting for the understanding of my life as a researcher and painter, I will give you more specific information about my fundamental discoveries I extrapolated my painting.
5. Concerning the 8 periods of my work, I return to you: Extract from "Dictionary artists Dauphine " (Dictionnaire des Artistes du Dauphiné -ISBN: 978-2-3502-2065-9- 4ème trimestre 2008, Editions Alzieu ‘’La maison du livre’’ – 1 bis rue du Moulin, 38120 Le Fontanil, France :

I can put on the Commons page that matches the text below :

• “Six phases trace the evolution of his work:
• "Fauve" period 1945/1948 - "Abstraction" period 1948/1951;
• "Pre graphic period " 1951/1955 - "Graphics" period" 1957/1962 -
• "Graphics fundamental" US period 1963/1972 - "Apodictic period" 1973/1982 ;
• (This apodictic period was the period of generating synthesis: "Synthesis first: root1945/1988 - :* "Synthesis last": root1989/2011).
• In 1996 a constitution 1oi Association 1901
• "Yatrides and his century" Prefecture of Isère, No. 24149, Official Journal
• No. 3, 17/01/1996. " Yatrides et son siècle was established to protect the public, civil and professional interests of Yatridès's works. The organization is composed of "senior officials". On 17 January 1996".[86]

Thank you for your help

Best regards George Yatrides--Yatrides (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Numbering information above to facilitate responses. Copied info to article talk page Talk:Georges Yatridès from personal talk page to keep with article related content together.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Responses:

1. It's very much my pleasure, you have an interesting body of work, and I like the way you describe the way in which art and science come together for you.
2. Regarding your work at CEA, patent and the realisation of the "The spiral of time pillar" painting, that's very interesting. Was their a request there - or did you want to share interesting information?
3. I see that "Essential Vibration", and I'm assuming some or all of the above inforamation, was highlighted by Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster (Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster- SGDL Society of Men of Letters of France. Do you have source information for that (article, book, website)? Or, was the intention to share interesting information?
4. If you have more specific information about the organization that was published in a magazine, journal, book or reliable secondary website - it would be interesting to read more.
5. Do you have source information for the major period of your artistic career?

I am happy to help out, and am trying to sort out where there are requests vs. sharing of information. Take care,--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:02, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

George Yatrides

02 July 2013

About my research in fundamental physics, it is interesting to note in my biography, I got severe examinations countries whose Patent Office in Washington DC, all patents granted claims. It has been so for all my patents in other subjects. The interest of my patent No. 3,840,028 granted for my accomplished research on the light emitted by an incandescent solid body variable in time and influence the hydrocarbon components. It is necessary to emphasize that the light of our star the Sun is in variable incandescence (thermonuclear) and that human race is hydrocarbon. I could extrapolate artistic approach on flat surfaces, paintings, and get the clear realization of volumes obtained without shadows contrast, neither shadow on the ground or in space. The image of the painting is an enlarged area because of an indefinable time. This is the case of the spiral of time.

I could extrapolate artistic approach on flat surfaces, paintings and get the clear realization of volumes obtained without shadows contrast, neither shadow on the ground or in space. The image in the painting is in a larger space because of an indefinable time. This is the case of "Spiral of time" and some of my paintings.

I suggest you include in my biography with your encyclopedic experience,:

"The results of his research in fundamental physics carried out at CEA concern new properties of the light emitted by an incandescent solid body and its influence on hydrocarbon components. We know the light of our star the Sun is in variable incandescence (thermonuclear) and that human race is hydrocarbon. Extrapolation of the results in an artistic approach, in which paintings, although it should be flat surfaces, volumes appear without shadow contrast, neither shadow on the ground or in space; What puts this image in a wider space unusual time, without reference to the known world, very definition of the abstract, but not primary abstract, because the man is present. "

Concerning "Essential Vibration"

Extract of independent and not seller web site, belonging to Bruno Roche, Canada quoting text of Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster [87].

"I had not noticed that one painting to another sphere grew and acquired an alarming light. The expression on the face of the man standing (essential Vibration) was stolen us. Was it joy or terror? It was the Terror because Georges has stopped painting after experiencing this revelation. Undoubtedly, despite himself, he had transcribed in the Final Phase. Revelation is the exact translation of the word Apocalypse. The painting is Yatridès apocalyptic prophecy. I got confirmation this year at Cannes for the film Melancholia by Lars Von Trier: sublime images, cruel and agonizing fresco, under the sign of Tarkovsky, the end of the world caused by the collision with the planet and its paralysed characters) Melancholia jutting irresistibly toward the earth, as thirty years earlier on the paintings of an unknown sphere Yatridès advancing towards a paralyzed painter". Signed: Alexandre Sacha Bourmeyster[88] I would be interesting to mention these facts.

Concerning the events are missing, not cited:

"Contemporary french master" (March 24 trough April 18, 1959, which is already in the text that you made is an event different from the following two:

"Drawings and Watercolors 1900-1959", missing

"Watercolors 1910-1960" missing

On all Biennials I was the guest of honor: "Great master guest" as well as the Salon of Montmorency and Salon of Gatinais.

These events are important to be mentioned as the most affordable (watercolors and drawings) works involve many collectors.

Concerning the 8 periods of my work,

I return to you: Extract from "Dictionary artists Dauphine " (Dictionnaire des Artistes du Dauphiné -ISBN: 978-2-3502-2065-9- 4ème trimestre 2008, Editions Alzieu ‘’La maison du livre’’ – 1 bis rue du Moulin, 38120 Le Fontanil, France :

“Six phases trace the evolution of his work:

"Fauve" period 1945/1948 - "Abstraction" period 1948/1951; "Pre graphic period " 1951/1955 - "Graphics" period 1957/1962 - "Graphics fundamental" US period 1963/1972 - "Apodictic period" 1973/1982 ; (This apodictic period was the period of generating synthesis: "Synthesis first: root1945/1988 - : "Synthesis last": root 1989/2011).

Paintings for these periods are in Wikipedia Commons.

they must be mentioned because they represent the development of my work since 1945 until our days.

Documents available

On all matters that depend on my career, I have copies of all articles, images, catalogs numerous exhibitions, world events. How to send these copies of these documents?

Important: It seems interesting to mention all those notes that are essential for holding preminent private collections of the works of these periods, but also for the more modest collectors that my work represents the only heritage.

I appreciate the way you look at my work, scientific as well as pictorial.

George Yatrides

--Yatrides (talk) 17:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

11 July 2013

I'm in my previous post (02 July): Excuse me, this is the 331 number of Lyon's Club whose coverage consists of my name as single image magazine. The number 333 contains the auction of the painting "The New Roller" price for the benefit of Polish children with muscular dystrophy

Regards,

Georges Yatrides

--82.122.228.177 (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Is it possible to summarize and be specific just about what you would like to have done. I'm not always sure what are comments and what are requests. That would help a lot!--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:48, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

If it helps, you may want to check out Talk:David Harding (finance) - where I was given just the text and citations requested.--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

References: Legible texts and visible, scanned images of these references

Dear Carole

You are right, the references must be applied without comment. Answering to our last writing interview, my requests were preceded by concrete justifications. So, I asked the organisation “Yatrides and his century” to address a specialist to investigate and find legible, reproduced and imaged references. The Organisation commissioned Gilbert Arnaud, an independant specialist to establish a list of references. This list is in the site http://authentique-yatrides.fr/. They corroborate the accuracy of my biography modified June 6, 2013 by moderators who preceded you and who have not examined the subject in depth.

So I request that my biography of June 5 is returned validated by these new readable and visible references. This biography is intrinsically very concise and incomplete from the fact of the amount and importance of references that you can check http://authentique-yatrides.fr/. [89]

Some specific points to highlight you the accuracy of these references:

My work was "Great master guest of honor" or "Main master guest" at the International Biennials [90] -[91] And "Guest of honor" in the different Salons.

Several dictionaries have my biography in first place ahead of high-profile artist names which are Pierre Eugene Frederic Bonnard,1867, 1947 - André Lhote Bordeaux 1885, 1962 - Johan Barthold Jongking born in Lattrop Netherlands precursor of Impressionism 1819, died in France in Grenoble St Egrève in 1891 buried in Cote-saint-andre (Dauphine). [92] [93] [94] [95] [96]

Some prices have reached considerable amounts, transactions between collectors when I was sold these paintings at modest prices. [97] [98] [99] [100] [101]

Some collectors listed by the British Chamber of Commerce [102] [103]

Etc...

As soon as you agree I return my biography as it appeared on June 6 before intervention of the moderators that have preceded you ; biography with new references http://authentique-yatrides.fr/ [104].

Regards,

Georges Yatrides

Important notes : Our first contact stressed me rigor that guided your actions. In fact, it is a matter of not prejudicing the modest collectors whose only wealth is represented by my works, acquired with difficulty. They represent the majority of the hundreds of collectors who own my work. The preeminent Private Collections, them, defend themselves if necessary. It is required that the Wiki moderators , who preceded you, stop manipulating (during two years)a biography based on verifiable references. It would become the disinformation corollary of defamation.

Note 2: Gilbert Arnaud initially computer AIR France, now Director of his own company that manages/performs the computer maintenance of large industrial companies of Grenoble region Rhone-Alpes, first university and industrial Centre of France. The quality of my work is a reference to Gilbert Arnaud vis-à-vis its customers. Its research on ancient references to some old over 60 years represents a difficult and laborious work. I understand your difficulty finding them.

--Yatrides (talk) 17:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)