Talk:Gay-Lussac's law

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Amonton's Law[edit]

It has been speculated that Amonton was the first to note that Pressure was in direct relationship to Temperature. Should this be added to this article, noting that the Gay-Lussac Law is sometimes refered to as Amonton's Law? Dreamm 00:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the clarification about the name from "Amonton's law" to "Amonton's law of Pressure-Temperature" in order to emphasize the difference between this law and other laws formulated by Amonton about friction (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Amontons#Amontons.27_Laws_of_Friction). Besides I have added some bibliographic support about the date of the discovery and/or publication of this work.George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 18:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add a Graphic?[edit]

Should there be a simple graphic that shows the relationship between pressure and temperature (as pressure increases, temperature increases)?

I agree. An additional illustration to show the relationship using idealized hard spheres would also be nice.-- Beland 07:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a diagram similar to traditional ones demonstrating the need to increase the pressure to keep the volume the same as temperature increases - hopefully also showing the brownian motion idea. Egmason (talk) 03:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What's wanted is an animated figure, like those shown for Charles's and Boyle's laws, but showing pressure changing (as in the Boyle's law figure) with changing temperature (as in the Charles's law figure) and or v.v. Graham.Fountain | Talk 12:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No name? Pressure law? Maybe not Gay-Lussac's law[edit]

I was taught at high school that this law is not named after anyone, and is normally called the "pressure law". Here is what I have found at http://hypertextbook.com/physics/thermal/gas-laws/

The pressure of a gas is directly proportional to its temperature when volume is constant. Symbolically …

P ∝ T

An isochoric process is one that takes place without any change in volume.

This relationship doesn't really have a name, but I have heard it called the "pressure law" or (mistakenly) "Gay-Lussac's law".

The basic gas law relationships … The pressure of a gas is inversely proportional to its volume when temperature is constant. This relationship is known as Boyle's law or Mariotte's law. The volume of a gas is directly proportional to its temperature when pressure is constant. This relationship is known as Charles' law or Gay-Lussac's law. The pressure of a gas is directly proportional to its temperature when volume is constant. This relationship is not associated with any particular scientist.

--Wei Cheng 06:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

great 117.233.101.213 (talk) 10:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gay-Lussac's Law is Not the Pressure-Temperature Law[edit]

Wei Cheng is correct. The pressure-temperature law has been misidentified as Gay-Lussac's law for years. You will not find any original references to it as such and only chemistry texts and documents that cite chemistry texts incorrectly call it Gay-Lussac's law.

Gay-Lussac's law is the law of combining volumes. The volume-temperature law is identified as either Charles' law or Gay-Lussac's law. Historically, it was originally called Gay-Lussac's law until some prior experimental work led to it being associated with Charles. There is disagreement as to whether Gay-Lussac or Charles' should receive priority. Books I've read state that the volume-temperature law is called Gay-Lussac's in some regions of the world and Charles' law in other regions.

Textbooks often use other textbooks as references and this is the reason this error continues to propagate.

Alanearhart 01:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC) ........... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.203.98.133 (talk) 02:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technically speaking, this sentence is incorrect: "though it is more usually applied to his law of combining volumes, the first listed here." It is more properly applied, but that doesn't mean it is more often applied today. I think if you asked many chemists which one is Gay-Lussac's law, most would pick the latter. Samer (talk) 14:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wei Cheng and Alan Earhart are absolutely correct. The attribution of the pressure law (P proportional to T at constant V) to Gay-Lussac is incorrect. Not one of the sources cited in the current text to support that attribution say anything of the kind (see below)! "Gay-Lussac's Law" is almost always understood by knowledgeable scientists and educators as the law of combining volumes of gases, which Gay-Lussac discovered in 1808. Some apply "Gay-Lussac's Law" to what is more often called "Charles's Law", V proportional to T at constant p, for he published this law, following Charles, in 1802. I have read the most expert professional historical treatments of Gay-Lussac and his work (Maurice Crosland's major biography of Gay-Lussac, and Robert Fox's history of the caloric theory of gases), and neither one says a word about Gay-Lussac and the pressure law. I will carry out major editing of this article accordingly.

My references: Crosland, Gay-Lussac (Cambridge University Press, 1978); Fox, The Caloric Theory of Gases (Oxford University Press, 1971).

The following references are cited in the present article that purport to document Gay-Lussac and the pressure law, but do nothing of the kind: Spurgis, Annals of Science, 1987, 44:489-505; Holbrow and Amato, American Journal of Physics, 2011, 79:17-24; Barnett, Journal of Chenical Education, 1940, 18:358; Thall's [online] History of Gas Laws. All these references correctly refer to Gay-Lussac's law as the law of combining volumes, and/or the dependence of volume on temperature at constant pressure (Charles's Law).Ajrocke (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Units[edit]

Why the hell are the units given in atmospheres? The SI units of pressure are Pascals.

And as for it not being Gay-Lussac's Law, that is indeed the way I was taught it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.143.156 (talk) 19:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NEED HELP ADDING ANIMATION[edit]

I've got the animation requested for this page, in the same format as Boyle's Law and Charles' Law. Problem is, I've been trying to read through the information on how to add pictures to wikipedia, and I really can't understand a thing. If somebody who knows how to add pictures could contact me so I can send them the animation, it'd be great!! - Sniffity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1388:803:A03E:683C:9381:FE3:72CB (talk) 03:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 April 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gay–Lussac law → Gay-Lussac's law – A dash would be correct here if it was named after two people called Gay and Lussac, but it's named after one person, Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac, with a compound surname correctly spelled with a hyphen. Also the possessive form (with 's) is usual for laws named after one person; compare Boyle's law, Charles's law, Avogadro's law, Dalton's law et cetera. 86.147.102.201 (talk) 02:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support – as per WP:COMMONNAME, and similar articles such as Boyle's law. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and for procedural reasons. The article was at the proposed title for years until this recent undiscussed and unexplained move. — AjaxSmack 21:12, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, though it should have just been fixed by an uncontroversial technical request and a trout to User:The Temples of Syringe for the lame error. Not that the trout would be noticed, as he was only around last September; I just went through his contribs and finished reverting his inappropriate en dashes in Russian village names and such; some had already been reverted, and none were presented with any rationale, like here. Dicklyon (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

"bears simple whole number ratio"[edit]

What does this mean? Can it be written more clearly?