Talk:Gabriele Sandri

Notability[edit]

This one's going to run and run and have a lasting influence. I expect it to be at Filippo Raciti status with regards to importance and quality within 24 hours.Me677 23:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I somewhat agree. He himself may not be notable enough for Wikipedia, but the ensuing violence is. We should create an article about the riots, similar to 2007 Catania football violence, to which this article should be redirected. A ecis^Brievenbus 23:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um, why is there an article here about a soccer hooligan? Nutmegger 04:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

---he was not hooligan, he was sitting in car when shot he was also a dj in rome--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.11 (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually he WAS a hooligan. He had a history of hooligan-related arrests and was travelling to the game in Milan as part of a two-car convoy that carried numerous weapons. Sandri himself had rocks in his pockets at the time of his death. He was also NOT asleep in the car but rather part of a vicious, armed assault on a group of unarmed Juventus fans at the service station. The policeman saw the trouble, fired a warning shot which dispersed the fight and then fired a second shot AT the car as it fled the scene. I'm not suggesting for a second that he DESERVED to die but the painting of him as an innocent victim is wholly untrue.

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the proposal was Page redirected to Serie A 2007-08#Lazio fan killed by police. -GTBacchus^(talk) 06:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriele Sandri → November 2007 Italian football violence — This one person and this one death is not very notable. What is notable is that it spawned riots throughout the country, similar to the 2007 Catania football violence. We should focus on those riots. —A ecis^Brievenbus 12:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

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Support per WP:BLP1E ChrisTheDude 12:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, events more notable than the killed man. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:BLP1E. - PeeJay 13:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:BLP1E. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 17:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

It was quite different than the Catania events. Sandri was erroneously killed by a policeman who did not even know he was a football fan. I still doubt about the notability of such events (clearly a recentism case), which would be better to cover within the Serie A 2007-08 article with no standalone article at all, as their impact was far lesser than the Catania riots. --Angelo 14:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a merge would be better in this case. Dekimasu よ! 02:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be agreed that, it is not noted enough to stand alone article. I will It was quite different from what happened in Catania, but both cases involved crowd violence and damage to property (e.g. the office of the Italian Olympic Committee), the suspension of the Serie B, Serie C1 and Serie C2 (the Serie A didn't have to be suspended, because there were no matches scheduled for this weekend, because of Euro 2008 qualifying matches) and a government response. I think that is notable enough for a standalone article. Aec·is·away ^talk 13:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He was not involved in the riots, and he was not killed during the riots (the policeman who killed him did not even know he was a football fan). His assassination was used by Italian hooligans as a pretext for crowd violence, so he is a dead man who is notable only for one single event (and not pushed by him voluntarily). It is quite better to cover the single events, and feature them into Serie A 2007-08. If the riots followed to Sandri's death weren't happened, I doubt the Italian football competitions would have ever been suspended. --Angelo 15:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know that he was not involved in the riots, and I know that he was not killed during the riots. But his death spawned riots throughout the country, prompting the Italian Football Federation and even the Italian government into action. That is notable. That is why I think it deserves a stand-alone article: November 2007 Italian football violence, as I have proposed in the move request. A ecis^Brievenbus 18:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.