Talk:Ford F-Series (thirteenth generation)

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What does it weigh?[edit]

This article includes many length/width/height measurements of the various configurations, and a lot of talk about weight-saving tech... but it does not mention its actual weight. 68.246.216.99 (talk) 04:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Ford Atlas Concept (2013)[edit]

Look, it is becoming very obvious that another user keeps deliberately adding text, that gives a misleading impression, where the P552 body design was derived from the 2013 Atlas Concept, shown at the 2013 NAIAS. I have said countless times, that this is inaccurate. By nature of the required lead times for a production model program and that of the P552, a concept car takes much less time and money to develop at under 1 year versus 5 years and $1-2 million vs $1-2 billion. If this keeps being re-added by the same person, over and over, action will be taken to protect the article against what may be considered vandalism.
Seeing the debut of a concept car in public first, doesn't mean that it automatically was created/developed first before anything else related to it. Nor does it mean that's where a respective automaker is at that point in time, regarding development. It is a marketing statement to the media and public, simple as that about "what we're going to do in the future". Making this assumption of (not designed yet or finalized) automatically and then using it as the basis for your editing contributions, is not only misleading, but careless. As someone connected to Ford to a degree, I don't see any reason to put misinformation in Ford articles, just because it suits a personal viewpoint and isn't reality.
The P552 final design was approved in December 2011, on the basis of a fullsize clay mockup chosen by Alan Mulally, J Mays, Gordon Platto, Ford family members and the rest of the board and senior management. This is privileged information, but factual. Therefore, I'm not going to accept anything that contradicts that, because clearly it would be false information and doesn't need to be in the article, creating a false narrative. The Atlas was solely a 2012 creation, which paralleled freezing of the P552 final body design. You have final appearance approval (FAA) and then final data adjustment model (FDJ), which the former is a production body in final shape as a painted clay model. The latter is the production vehicle in 1:1 clay or fiberglass for all intents and purposes, with actual parts (lights, etc) on it. You cannot just assume because you saw the concept in January 2013, then assume that P552 team members had not developed the same final design, you saw in 2014 as the 2015 F-150. Surely Guiletheme can relate to this dilemma.--Carmaker1 (talk) 00:29, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]