Talk:Flag of Italy/GA1

GA Review

Hello. I'll be reviewing this article. Overall, it needs some adjustments, mostly in prose, to become a good article:

Prose

• When sentences begin with a chronological reference add a comma after it (e.g. "On 15 April 1861,").  Done
• Jacobian → Jacobin  Done
• civic guard → gendarmerie
  • Comment. Guardia civica milanese translates as Milanese civic guard, not gendarmerie.
    • I thought it was the same, but if it's not, nevermind.
• "Some have tried to attribute some particular values to the colours" → "Particular values have been attributed to the colours"  Done
• In the Napoleonic era section, does the sentence "In 1805 Napoleon installed his sister, Elisa Bonaparte Baciocchi, as Princess of Lucca and Piombino. This affair is commemorated in the opening of Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace." add any value to the article?
  • Comment. It is well known and captures a sense of the events; so although not directly relevant, I do think it adds context to the story. Bearing in mind also, as you have noted below, the scarcity of English language sources. I have expanded the footnote to include the (first part of the) quote. Is that better?
    • OK. For a GAC it's not that worrying, but it might be subject of questioning if this goes to FAC.
• "newly-formed" → "newly formed" (in Kingdom of Italy (1861–1946) section)  Done
• Though still correct, perhaps "Flag protocol" or simply "Protocol" might suit better as a section title than "Etiquette".  Done

Manual of Style

• Remove all "The" from section titles, as per WP:THE, and uncapitalize non-proper nouns (e.g. "Italian Independence wars").  Done
  • There's more titles to fix. I just picked this one as an example among many others.

References and citations

• Only two inline citations for the "Italian independence wars" section?  Done
• "Article 12 of the Italian Constitution states:" — give source.
  • Comment. Article 12 of the Italian Constitution is the source. The date of promulgation is also given in the same sentence.
    • I know it is. I think it be helpful to just add a ref tag pointing to reference no. 1 (the constitution).  Done
• Can't some references be translated to English? Especially those that do not have links.  Done
  • If this article proceeds to FAC, you'll be advised to use Wikipedia:Citation templates to properly format your footnotes.

Images

• Nothing related to copyright, but I noticed that Image:Sala tricolore reggio.jpg is uncategorized.  Done
• Place individual images at the beginning of sections, so that text can flow around them, and galleries at the bottom. Or better, try to place an image as closest as possible to the text that mentions it.
  • Comment. Images are placed evenly and (where applicable) to display in order and as close to the related text as possible. There are rather a lot to fit in though and to avoid overcrowding (and blank spaces) this is not always directly above the text as it appears in the edit window. It works well at 1280 x 800. Is there a problem at other resolutions?

In my resolution (1024x768), the "Risorgimento" and "Presidential standard" sections have a huge chunk of blank space because of the positioning of the individual right-aligned pics and the galleries.

In the "Napoleonic era" section you could replace the photo of the waving flag (put it the "Protocol" section) with the more context-suited "Sala del Tricolore" photo, and place it at the section top. Also, move the flag gallery to the section bottom.

In the "Risorgimento" section, you could divide the gallery into two image groups, the first following the fourth paragraph (about the provisional government of Sicily) and the second group at the bottom.

The Kingdom of Italy's flag could be moved to the top of the next section, followed by the royal standard image.

The eagle-bearing socialist flag could be placed in the respective section (even though it will be "pushed" down by the previous section's images).

In the "Presidential standard" section, move the flag to the top and the gallery to the bottom.

All in all, the major problem is that there are too many images for not that much text to envelop them. I this organization removes the excessive blank spaces at this resolution and promotes a better relation of the textual info with the graphics. Parutakupiu (talk) 16:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)  Done

General

• The "Italian Social Republic (1943–1945)" sub-section is too small to be a section of its own (two sentences). Can't you expand it more? If not, perhaps it's better to incorporate it totally in the parent section.  Done
• On the opposite side, "The Italian Independence wars" sub-section is pratically 90% of the "Risorgimento" section. I don't think it necessary for this to be a sub-section, if there are not other sub-sections.  Done

I think that covers most of what I was able to see. If the nominator can fix these, I'll gladly pass this important article. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I've had a quick look at a few easy things to fix and will address your remaining points over the next couple of days. Is that okay? Chrisieboy (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Fine by me. Parutakupiu (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Decision

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Taking into account all the changes you've made to this article, following my suggestions and comments, here is my final evaluation:

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   This is enough for this quality level, but beware that this element will be critical during a FAC.

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   If possible, try to reach an even better organization of the images along the article. If you think you need to take images that are not that necessary and do not decrease the article's value, please do.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Congratulations. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Chrisieboy (talk) 21:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)