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Spelling[edit]

This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

MOS:RETAIN suggests that the variety of English used in the first non-stub version of a page should be used to determine which variety to use consistently. On this page an American spelling ("flavor") was used. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussions[edit]

In medieval times fennel word because fennel can be used as an insect repellant. It was also the herb hung around the neck during burning at the stake for the crime of homosexual activity, and consequently has become Italian slang for gay (in the italian form of the word fennel - finnochio).

This , reminiscent of the story about the word "faggot". Could we have some corroboration, please? - Montréalais 16:07, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Removed, in the absence of any corroboration - MPF 13:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Companion Planting[edit]

Dose anyone know what Fennel's properties to help other plants?--KevinWindows 07:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

a popular drink believed by many to have psychoactive properties beyond those found in other alcoholic beverages. - I thought this is a fact based on chemistry and biology and easy to confirm or reject. I don't have time to look this up but I propose being more exact if possible.

I shall be in contact with some exceedingly experienced botanists over the next week or so. I shall ask about the best culture in which to grow fennel and specifically look at companion planting. I note you don't have time and I shall endeavor to have some. Ausphexx (talk) 09:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lethal[edit]

it has proven fatal in certain cases where the mother ingested it as an herbal tea to enhance her breast milk.

- if Fennel has proved lethal, perhaps some more details would be helpful? How exactly has it been fatal for mothers drinking it as an herbal tea? Is it simply that they became dehydrated? At the very least, some citation seems in order Binksy2k 16:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The source is Rosti L, Nardini A, Bettinelli ME, Rosti D (1994). "Toxic effects of a herbal tea mixture in two newborns". Acta Paediatr. 83 (6): 683. PMID 7919774. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link). Would someone please read it and confirm (1) what the reported effect was and (2) what the intended use was. Fennel is not a known galactogogue; did the mother confuse it with fenugreek, a very important galactogogue? --Una Smith (talk) 23:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why the article is even mentioning fennel as a galactogogue, given that it says there are only "historical anecdotes", "not supported by direct evidence".

Regarding the newborn deaths, can one read the source article without a subscription to PubMed.gov? As the article stands now, it evokes fear about fennel that may be ungrounded. I think the reference to "neurotoxicity" should be removed, unless it can be more substantially explained.--NinetyNineFennelSeeds (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herb and spice table[edit]

What is the purpose of the table containing the list of herbs and spices. An interesting table, to be sure, but why on the fennel page?

anethole as an anticonvulsive?[edit]

I have read that at high concentrations, anethole results in convulsions and spasms. Is your belief that anethole can be used as an anticonvulsive drug based in homeopathy? To my knowledge, most of the medical community finds little merit in the claims of homeopathy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 23 Skiddoo (talk • contribs) 18:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spice Production Table Figures?[edit]

The numbers here are identical to those on a similar table on the wikipedia Anise article. Which is correct? Or are they bundled up together in reported by various countries? If so, titles should be corrected.

The chart in the production section of this page is identical to that on Anise and Badian. If you follow the link cited (http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/commodity.html?lang=en&item=711&year=2005), you will see that the data is world production of the three completely different crops combined (Anise Pimpinella anisum, Fennel Foeniculum vulgare, and Star Anise Illicium verum). The data is misleading in this context and I removed it. MrPMonday (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mislabeling[edit]

I have to agree with the sentence "In North American supermarkets, it is often mislabelled as 'anise'." In my supermarket, fennel is labeled "Anis."Lestrade (talk) 02:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

This topic may actually be addressed in the related species section. Fennel and 'anis' though not as closely related as different species of fennel may be referred to as a 'group' or 'species' in certain regions. This is similar to how North Americans refer to pumpkins as a short branch of the species and genus. Australians and many Europeans refer to pumpkins as a larger branch. A pumpkin in Australia is a Winter Squash in North America, it could be the same with fennel as this article shows a lack of certain uniformity to naming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausphexx (talk • contribs) 09:39, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My experience is the exact opposite: poorly trained produce workers labelling anise as fennel. In one case, I was able to bring this to the manager's attention and get it (mostly) corrected. JDZeff (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cattle Condiments??[edit]

The following sentence in this article was taken verbatim from a dubious website: "Fennel is also largely used for cattle condiments." In fact, if you do a search on that sentence, it appears as though plenty of people thought it good enough to be copied again and again into their websites. Could we please counteract such mindlessness and validate the information (oh, and perhaps first explain what on earth it is supposed to mean)? VetLayla (talk) 12:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This book discusses cattle condiments: [1]

Google book searching turns up several other references. I suppose then that a cattle condiment must be some sort of remedy or tonic added to the cattle's ration. --Freedomlives (talk) 09:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Integrity Please[edit]

In fact, I am generally concerned with this article. It contains several sentences that have been taken verbatim from other websites. In my book, this constitutes plagiarism. If the original authors don't use better information collecting and synthesizing methods, I'll have to delete or alter (depending on my time contingencies) the problematic sentences. VetLayla (talk) 12:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance[edit]

The [[2]] section of the article is all mucked up. I don't even know how to begin fixing it, so I am making this post here right now to tell you to do it.--Toepoaster (talk) 18:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

Etymology section. I was about to delete part of this section which I felt was not related to etymology. The section which needs deleting relates the word 'fennel' to witchcraft or a strange pagan ritual which has no source relating to the word 'fennel'. This part of the etymology section should be deleted as it's a discredit to the other section which relates the word 'fennel' to an actual etymology of Latin and Greek. Perhaps the references to witchcraft should be moved to another section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausphexx (talk • contribs) 09:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But the question remains open - is the word funchal in Latin or Greek of Indo-European origin or not. If not which pre-Indo-European language does it come from. Only if it can be related in one of those languages to witches, the witch business comes in again. However, this is unlikely because the name ,Phoenician' can be related to the word ,expert' - in Pharaonic and there is no semantic bridge from experts to witches. Perhaps DNA-analysis can help and relate all fenchal to that one of the Fertile Crescent. Then one has look for witches in one of those languages. Before that is done, witches should not be mentioned here. 213.138.237.70 (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saunf[edit]

Saunf? 213.10.112.111 (talk) 22:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's now moved to a section on vernacular names. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Medicinal[edit]

The licorice aroma of the crushed leaf is used as an odor block for perspiration odors when ill. It was commonly found in early 20th century commercial remedies for that reason. My Flatley (talk) 02:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lactation Use?[edit]

I'm just gonna put this here, ideally I'll come back and look into it more, but???? Apparently used to increase lactation??? I found it being used in a "breast mask" (a thin fabric placed over the areola/breast, with ingredients for skin care or other purposes) by "Frida Mom," specifically the "Mo Milk" version, and at least one (government, hopefully reputable) website seems to agree:

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Drugs and Lactation Database (LactMed®) [Internet]. Bethesda (MD): National Institute of Child Health and Human Development; 2006-. Fennel. [Updated 2023 Mar 15]. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK501793/ Bromallium (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]