Talk:Fallout (American TV series)

Xelia Mendes-Jones

I have created a stub article for Xelia Mendes-Jones (Draft:Xelia Mendes-Jones). I don't have credentials to move it from drafts into main space. Since Xelia is a lead actor in this series it'd be great if someone interested would help with that, and link to it in this protected article. Thanks for any help. Rustyfx (talk) 19:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Lead? How do you figure that? SDSpivey (talk) 04:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

There are six main cast members listed in this article. Xelia is one of them. 00:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Rustyfx (talk) 00:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

They are not considered in the main cast by any sources. They were present in two episodes. BroadcastPs4 (talk) 06:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I see they are considered apart of the mIn cast per MOS:TVCAST. However they are not considered as lead cast. Lead cast has the most screen time and is considered crucial to plot development whereas main cast is a more broad term encompassing important characters that have a significant role in the story. BroadcastPs4 (talk) 06:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I used "lead" when I should have used "main", but I don't think the semantics of either term is an important point in this context. As the article source states: "Despite only appearing in two episodes, they are credited amongst the main cast in all appearances per MOS:TVCAST". There is an identical note about Kyle MacLachlan. In my view, what is relevant here is whether or not Xelia Mendes-Jones meets notability criteria. If they don't, then I would appreciate a clear explanation of that. Rustyfx (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I have acquired credentials and moved the draft to main space. This topic can be archived. Rustyfx (talk) 00:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Proper credit for Geneva Robertson-Dworet and Graham Wagner

I added proper credit for the creators, writers and show-runners with a published citation.

@Mxhyn16: I see you've reverted this addition twice. Do you have a citation that credits creator, writer and/or show-runner to different persons or do you have a different disagreement with the edit? Did you review the citation?

Here's the quote from the citation. Seems pretty straightforward.

"Geneva Robertson-Dworet and Graham Wagner are co-creators and serve as executive producers, writers and co-showrunners."

I'm going to put the information back in. Can you please explain your reasoning before you revert again?

Stevedorex (talk) Stevedorex (talk) 21:49, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Here's the citation for this.

'Fallout' Series Gets New Release Date on Prime Video (variety.com) Stevedorex (talk) 04:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

"The new show, created by Geneva Robertson-Dworet and Graham Wagner"

https://www.polygon.com/24122477/fallout-tv-series-review-prime-video-show

"in the series created by Geneva Robertson-Dworet (Captain Marvel) and Graham Wagner (Silicon Valley, Portlandia)."

https://movieweb.com/fallout-ella-purnell-aaron-moten-interview/

"We’ll start our critical roundup with Tanner Dedmon from ComicBook.com. As someone who sounds like they’re very much in the camp of existing Fallout fans, Dedmon praises creators Geneva Robertson-Dworet & Graham Wagner for sticking that landing."

https://www.cinemablend.com/streaming-news/critics-seen-amazons-fallout-series-fans-games

--Stevedorex (talk) 23:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

R-D and Wagner appear to be the showrunners, sharing executive producer credits with Nolan and Joy, but Nolan and Joy are considered the creators of the series, the ones that did the work to pitch the series to Bethesda. Masem (t) 00:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

"Created by" in the United States is a writing credit, awarded by the Writers Guild of America West. Nolan and Joy did not write on the series. Stevedorex (talk) 04:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

"Fallout is the latest video game adaptation to hit the small screen. Created by Geneva Robertson-Dworet and Graham Wagner,"

Fallout First Reviews: A ‘Violent, Fun, Emotional, Epic’ Video Game Adaptation, Critics Say | Rotten Tomatoes

We've got at least 5 citations explicitly awarding "created by" credit to R-D and Wagner. And not sure how to capture it here, but they have a "created by" card in the credits at the end of every episode. Not sure how much more we need. Stevedorex (talk) 04:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

"Television also has a "Created by" and a "Developed (for Television) by" credit under a crediting structure known as separated rights. Writers entitled to created by credits will have developed a significant part of the format, story, and teleplay, and also get sequel rights to the material. Created by credits are given on every episode, while Developed (for Television) by credits are only given on the episodes the writer has explicitly contributed material to."

WGA screenwriting credit system#Separated rights Stevedorex (talk) 04:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Suggestions for improving the "Premise"

Hello everyone, I noticed that the premise is unclear: Resource wars are caused by lack of oil, not nuclear power (nuclear is the answer to the lack of oil); the issue of micro transistors is not addressed (a main divergence with the real world timeline).

Source: https://stylecaster.com/lists/vault-33-fallout/

P.s. From what I know the Fallout universe is a satire of the 1950s (including the discredited Peak oil theory of 1956). The context can certainly be improved with the Fallout Bible. 37.0.81.239 (talk) 22:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Just watched episode 6 last night and noticed that a background news report explicitly called out a shortage of *uranium* as the source of conflict as the world broadly adopts nuclear power. Stevedorex (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Steve, you're both right: in the Fallout universe, the war between China and the United States begins over a shortage of fossil fuels. One of the key events of the war are the Anchorage battle (2066-2077) for the control of the "last" oil pipelines.

Investment in nuclear power is the answer to the problem of oil scarcity; however, it is true that uranium causes other conflicts (related to resource wars) in the franchise.

Here's a recap:

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Resource_Wars 93.38.68.62 (talk) 09:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I feel like the premise does a poor job of introducing the series to those not already familiar with the franchise--should it really be giving significant spoilers right off the bat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.142.33.163 (talk) 09:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

"Critical acclaim"

This show is not critically acclaimed and the line that it is faithful to the source material is baseless. Its reviews among critics indicates positive reviews but not critical acclaim. Considering that in the lead section only the reception of critics is stated, and critics cannot comment on faithfulness to the source material because they are not fans, clearly shows someone has a fetish for it likes to view from their own imagination. I want someone to actually prove these claims please... Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 23:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Removed all of it. The reception section does not back any of these statements currently. Write reception first, with sources, then summarize in the lead. That said, @Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel, we can be far more professional with our citation needed reason. Remember those are shown to EVERY reader. -- ferret (talk) 23:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Ta Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 23:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

BUT, we still must have a source for it being "critically acclaimed", don't you think? Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 23:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

No, the aggregator references show that well enough. -- ferret (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

No, Metacritic says "generally favorable". — YoungForever^(talk) 23:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@YoungForever Well that's an easy enough adjustment and should still be in the lead. -- ferret (talk) 00:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Here are again. @DemoJoker47 the lead cannot summarize the reception with details that are not included and sourced in the Reception section. Please stop. You've already violated 3RR and at risk of being blocked. The contents of the lead need to cover what is presented, and sourced, in the Reception section. "Go read the reviews on the aggregators" is not a substitute for this. -- ferret (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Robert House

It looks like Rafi Silver's credit as Robert House has been removed from the cast section for whatever reason; the most recent edit from about a day ago stated it was because he wasn't in the show and that the text was listing who played him in the game, but that's untrue; Silver appears playing House in the final episode, and is credited as Robert House of RobCo by Amazon in both the episode's credits and the X-Ray feature that appears on the Amazon video player. Furthermore he's played by René Auberjonois in the game, so I'm not sure where the confusion came from. Since the article is protected, could someone with editing access correct this? Felminert (talk) 01:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Felminert The confusion came from the fact that Business Insider linked to Fandom as their own source for the information, which was rather suspect. Yes, Rafi Silver is in the show, but as a currently (apparent) non-notable BLP with a cameo presence as a non-notable character in the current season, likely does not warrant inclusion per MOS:TVCAST. I suspect we'll see more of him in season 2, so things are subject to change. -- ferret (talk) 02:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Main character

In the cast section there are too many people in the main cast, i mean even a guy you see in two epiodes only 93.41.3.208 (talk) 06:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Grammatical error and incorrect place name for Episode 8

In the section describing the synopsis for Episode No. 8, make the following changes to correct mistakes:

Change the sentence: "Lucy turns the head over to Moldaver, who reveals when Hank is from, that Rose left the vault with infants Lucy and Norm, that Hank found her and took the kids back, and that Hank was responsible for the nuclear bombing of Shady Sands, turning Rose into a feral ghoul." to the sentence... "Lucy turns the head over to Moldaver, who reveals where Hank is from, that Rose left the vault with infants Lucy and Norm, that Hank found her and took the kids back, and that Hank was responsible for the nuclear bombing of Shady Sands, turning Rose into a feral ghoul." This corrects a grammatical error with the use of "when", instead of "where".

Change the sentence "Maximus makes his way to Lucy and frees her father but attacks him after Lucy reveals Hank's role in Sandy Shades destruction." to the sentence... "Maximus makes his way to Lucy and frees her father but attacks him after Lucy reveals Hank's role in Shady Sands destruction." This is to correctly name the town that was bombed from "Sandy Shades" to "Shady Sands" Bkenna (talk) 23:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Season 2 - New Vegas references

Season 2 has been announced, and there are visual clues that the story will connect to New Vegas. However, until there is an official statement, we should refrain from adding this as a fact. One there is a verifiable source, we can add this info. GimmeChoco44 (talk) 19:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)