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Merge[edit]

Article would be better placed as a subsection of bagel. --Bk0 (Talk) 01:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Done. -dmmaus 05:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate Name[edit]

Aren't these bagels also called "every seed" bagels? Or is that something different? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.232.150 (talk) 20:01, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Film[edit]

Why do you think it's a bad idea to mention what year a film came out, in this article? Particularly for a product with a disputed origin, it makes a lot of difference whether the film was released before, around the same time as, or many years after rival bakers were staking their claims on the concept. --Lord Belbury (talk) 14:06, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody seems to be suggesting that the movie invented the recipe and its conception seems inherently metaphorical and therefore derivative. Readers who are familiar with the movie do not require further details such as the year. Readers who are not familiar with the movie are provided with the link if they wish to find out more.

Furthermore, adding the year tends to suggest that there's more than version of the movie and we're referring to a particular one. This is misleading.

Andrew🐉(talk) 14:19, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A reader unfamiliar with the film shouldn't have to click a link to check whether the article is implying the film to have been inspired by the bagel, or the bagel to have been inspired (perhaps only in name) by the film. We are not here to WP:ASTONISH the reader.

Referring to something as "the 2022 movie" is quite standard for establishing context. I don't know what other wordings to suggest. If that raises the question in the reader's mind as to whether there were multiple films with that title, this has no impact on the reader's understanding of the everything bagel; omitting it raises the question of whether Gusser and Steiner could have been referencing or even ripping off some psychedelic 1960s film, which this article can easily avoid raising. --Lord Belbury (talk) 14:35, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Caraway seed not a standard ingredient in everything bagel seasoning.[edit]

A brief search of everything bagel seasoning shows that caraway seeds are not a usual ingredient in this seasoning. Perhaps, caraway is sometimes added and it certainly seems like it would go well, but this doesn’t seem to be supported. I’ve never heard of oats on an everything bagel whatsoever. Some seeded breads and bagels use a mix that may contain rolled oats, flax seed, sunflower seeds, poppy seeds, sesame seeds, etc and often have a slightly sweet wholewheat or multigrain flavor. This is not the same as an everything bagel that has onion and garlic and coarse or flaked salt along with black and/or white sesame seeds and poppy seeds with a more savory, salty flavor. 2600:8805:2005:9600:75ED:1B3B:FA11:F703 (talk) 23:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I examined the source cited for the inclusion of caraway in everything bagels and it really doesn’t support the idea. If the source for example listed the first bakery to produce Everything Bagels and authoritatively showed that they used caraway in their everything bagel seasoning mix then the article should specifically note the original everything bagel had caraway, but most recipes today do not use it. However, I see no evidence that caraway seed was ever used in everything bagels.

This is separate from the issue confusing everything bagels with “Every Seed” bagels which include rolled oats on top which are not included in everything bagels. 2600:8805:2005:9600:75ED:1B3B:FA11:F703 (talk) 23:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]