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Morocco participation

Currently the article states that there's a possibility of Morocco participating in Eurovision following the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement in December of 2020. However, since between and now the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis happened which might obviously impact such possibility. I feel the current sources are outdated given the evolution of the current events. Do you think the current statement is still relevant, can we find sources to justify it, or should it be removed or amended with sources indicating the possible change of position? - Sarilho1 (talk) 17:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2021

For ease and speed of reference, it would be useful to have a column in the table of potential locations, to detail venue capacity. 156.187.180.234 (talk) 15:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done although I couldn't find information for all venues. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 18:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I'd previously removed these to fit with the consensus on the ESC 2020 talk page: including them was giving them undue weight and they're not the deciding factor.  dummelaksen  (talk • contribs) 10:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Per the 2020 discussion I would also be inclined to remove the capacity numbers given the points raised there. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Ah you're right, I didn't know about that discussion and I now do agree that is shouldn't be there.

Sweden

Can you add sweden cuz they will select eurovision 2022 entrant through Melodifestivalen 2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.37.27.76 (talk) 16:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Spain

New president of Spanish broadcaster RTVE José Manuel Pérez Tornero has made statements to the press regarding the Eurovision Song Contest (https://www.elespanol.com/bluper/20210602/toros-eurovision-europeo-netflix-titulares-presidente-rtve/585942821_0.html), stating that they are "going to take Eurovision very seriously" for various reasons, firstly because "it is a show that enjoys success", and secondly because they are "the only broadcaster in Spain that is part of the EBU". He has also stated they are interested in the event "because of its european nature, of contact with youth". I don't know if it can be taken as a direct confirmation of participation in the 2022 Contest, but maybe the information can be included in the "Other countries" section. Baskesc (talk) 19:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree, perhaps it should be mentioned under 'Active EBU members'? 81.149.243.201 (talk) 12:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Possible Scotland?

Maybe under non-EBU?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/snp-mp-calls-scotland-eurovision-24183419 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.236.108 (talk) 21:53, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't get why it keeps getting removed. It is relevant to the contest. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 23:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
From what I could see in a quick look through some search engine results, it’s just one Scottish politician who is saying this, as a reaction to the fact of the UK getting zero points in 2021. I would live for Scotland to make its own entry in the competition, but there would need to be something more significant than a politician’s comment to warrant inclusion in this article IMO. Ironically, the Fire Saga film it kind-of implies that Scotland is a standalone entry, since it’s being hosted in Edinburgh and the Russian character remarks that “everybody hates UK, so, zero points”. So, how could it be hosted in Scotland if UK didn’t win last year UNLESS Scotland was its own entry. But… that’s just a fan theory! :-) Wittylama 10:12, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Can we say that Belarus won't participate?

The EBU nor any reliable source has confirmed their non-participation. Although I agree that it's unlikely they'll still participate after the suspension, stating so definitively is I think original research. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Belarus doesn't come 2022 Kematen (talk) 13:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kematen: did you even read my comment? Can you cite a reliable source? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 13:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

United Kingdom and Jessie J rumours

According to the Metro and others, there are reports circulating that the pop star Jessie J might participate for the United Kingdom in 2022.[1] Would it be too soon to include a mention of this within the article, or would this be appropriate to add? Siclika (talk) 16:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

These kinds of rumours are normally not even mentioned in the country-specific articles, let alone the main article. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:47, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Adejobi, Alicia (2021-06-13). "Jessie J 'approached' by Eurovision 2022 bosses to represent UK". Metro. Retrieved 13 June 2021.

Estonia confirmation

@Sammyham84: it's happened before that a television show that used to be the country's national final gets turned into its own thing (a recent example is A Dal 2020). We really need an explicit confirmation that the country will participate in Eurovision; a national final is not enough. So that's why I think Estonia should be removed. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Eesti laul is one of the National finals that only take place if Estonia participate like shows like Melodi grad Prix or Melodifestival which are created to chose for however Shows like Festivali i Këngës or X factor Malta are not made specifically to select for Eurovision I don’t think it should be removed as we had this in the past 2 years talk page and I feel like that it is nessary to leave country that confirmed National selections on the page and if the National selection was not created for Eurovision that we wait for offical comfirmation Sammyham84 (talk) 16:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Agreed with Sammyham84. Eesti Laul is indistinguishable from Eurovision much like Melodifestivalen or Melodi Grand Prix. A Dal was an unusual occurrence due to internal politics within Hungary, we shouldn't base decisions around an anomaly like that. Eesti Laul was created for Eurovision. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:40, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
"we shouldn't base decisions around an anomaly like that" – no, that was just an example. Another example that comes to mind is Belgium's Junior Eurosong which also had another edition in 2013 even though they withdrew from JESC that year. Point is, it's not a guarantee. So listing them as a country whose "broadcasters have confirmed their intention to compete" is incorrect, because they simply didn't confirm that. Also, saying that a national music competition is "indistinguishable from Eurovision" is only based on a fan's own views of the competition, and not on any actual evidence. (Maybe you could say that for a show like Dein Song Für <country> is confirmation of participation, since it's marketed as being for Eurovision, but that's not the case here.) ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
I feel the same way as Jochem van Hees about this. The provided ref is about an unrelated entity broadcasting a show which may or may not be the selection process this year. The source does not say "Estonia will compete in Eurovision 2022". I find it odd that there is no article about Estonia's participation itself provided, rather information from a Spanish broadcaster somehow confirming the intentions of another country's broadcaster through tangential aspects of participation. Let's just wait until there is something more complete. There's no rush. Grk1011 (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

ESC 2022 Map

It seems that someone is having fun changing the map and the territories, can someone please update me on the Crimea problem, because one of the participants is constantly changing it. See here. Regards. Kirilloparma (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

  • He also added that Belarus is not participating in the 2022 edition without providing any reliable sources. See here Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 12:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Belarus has been excluded from the EBU. Kematen (talk) 12:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not bothered or anything. That is clear. It is so that Belarus has been deprived of its rights to participate by the EBU because of the political situation. And Crimea is really tricky. I know. But the people of Crimea voted to become part of the Russian Federation. Kematen (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

The head of the electoral commission, Mikhail Malyshev, announced a preliminary result that 95.5 percent of the votes cast were in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia with the rights of a subject of the Russian Federation. For a restoration of the validity of the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and for Crimea's status as part of Ukraine, 3.5 percent voted and 1.0 percent were invalid ballot papers. The turnout was around 82 percent. Kematen (talk) 13:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

The head of the electoral commission, Mikhail Malyshev, announced a preliminary result that 95.5 percent of the votes cast were in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia with the rights of a subject of the Russian Federation. For a restoration of the validity of the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and for Crimea's status as part of Ukraine, 3.5 percent voted and 1.0 percent were invalid ballot papers. The turnout was around 82 percent.

Link: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum_%C3%BCber_den_Status_der_Krim Kematen (talk) 13:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Kirilloparma. Are these not enough sources ??? Are you leaving me alone now? It really is like that. I'm not stupid and post something wrong on Wikipedia. I've never done that before. And it always bothers me the most when I put something real on Wikipedia and then I'm banned, even though it's true and the other person is just too stupid to google or read in newspapers. Kematen (talk) 13:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

At the very least, don't edit war over it. It achieves nothing. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 13:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I didn't attack you, Kirilloparma. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kematen (talk • contribs) 14:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Even though it's true and the other person is just too stupid to google or read in newspapers
Are you sure about this? Once again, no personal attacks please. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 14:19, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Please note that this user is back, and he changing the map again (see [2]), clearly disruptive behavior. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 18:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I started a discussion about this at commons:Commons talk:WikiProject Eurovision § Border of Crimea on Eurovision maps. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Host cities

I think the potential host cities and venues table is too large. "Expressed interest" is rather vague and unencyclopedic. The inclusion criteria basically consists of "we'd love to host, that would be cool!" Many of them aren't serious bids. With Turin, Bologna, Jesolo, and Pesaro actually having submitted bids to be the host, I don't see the use of listing the other locations, unless perhaps in prose. Grk1011 (talk) 00:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't think they have to be listed in prose either; the whole section is currenlty basically a timeline of the same thing. It's better to trim the section with things that are actually useful to the reader. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I would agree, I think including these cities which expressed interest in prose would be the best alternative, and keeping entries in the table only for cities which have officially bid. In many cases the venues for cities that express interest are also more speculation than anything, with many not even meeting the criteria set out by RAI/EBU, so they don't warrant inclusion in the same way as other cities which are actually serious bids. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Map marker colors

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Example map (using political map instead of relief map to improve accessibility)

Someone recently pointed out on Reddit that the current color shades for the map markers   are indistinguishable to readers with red-green color blindness/deficiency. As a fellow protan, I have to say that the poster is absolutely right – they both look green.
One solution would be to use a lighter shade of yellow. This is #FFFF00. If that's too bright/ugly to look at, I also made a slightly more subtle #E9E900 one, which also does the job. Here is a sample with #E9E900 against a background color that I picked from the map with an eyedropper:  
This change could help out around 8% of male readers, as well as a significantly smaller proportion of female readers.  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  16:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Good that you point it out! I think that in this case you can just be bold and add those colours, as I think this would be uncontroversial. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay, cool! If anyone is unhappy with the new color, we can keep discussing.  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  16:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
To be honest I find the entire map difficult to read, not just the city markers. I think we should change the map from the blue/green relief map to the light blue/yellow political map (see right), because I think the blue colour of the city wiki-links is too similar to the dark blue/green colours of the current map to be easily readable. What do you think? GazThomas402 (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, Italy's relief really doesn't help here. Bertinoro and Viterbo are particularly difficult to read, and it's necessary to tap/hover over the names.
Moreover, links show up in a lighter shade of blue when using any of the two dark themes in the app (on Android, at least), which makes them even harder to read. For some reason, out of the recent contests, 2018 is the only one currently using a political map, and everything is decently readable using whatever device + theme combination.
I wonder why we're using relief maps in the first place. Maybe we should tackle this on the WikiProject talk page? Changing the markers was a strictly local matter (I think it's our first time using yellow), but this color issue affects multiple articles (see 2017 for another map rendered unreadable in the dark themes, and a bit better with image dimming turned on).  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  22:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(I've only noticed this discussion now.) It seems a pretty uncontroversial edit to make, I'll be bold myself and replace relief maps on these pages with political maps. If someone disagrees, they can take to the project talk. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 09:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Festival i Kenges

Can you add tba december 2021 for albania — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.212.95.24 (talk) 07:58, 2021 August 23 (UTC)

Do you have a source that confirms that it will be held in December? I can't find any info in it. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 10:19, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Una Voce Per San Marino details

Oiko Times has reported some details for Una Voce Per San Marino, and it seems too detailed to be fake. Should it (the "to be decided" section for San Marino) be added to the page? Source: https://oikotimes.co.uk/una-voce-per-san-marino-final-on-february-19/

I guess. WP:ESC/S lists Oikotimes as semi-reliable, which means that it "can be used in Eurovision articles but not for citing important or controversial statements". ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 19:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I did not notice a discussion had been opened before. As I stated in my edit summary, I have also found a source (Eurovisionfun.com) reporting the Sammarinese final for February, but neither of these seem to make it clear where such information is coming from, since nothing is precised in the San Marino RTV website. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 22:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
(For the record, this was the link I had found, but it was deleted shortly after its publication, probably for being unsourced.) 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 11:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Ibrahim Eren

Did he not get replaced as director of TRT? So should we add "then-" in front of director in the Turkey section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insaneguy1083 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Insaneguy1083: I’d say it’s kind of implied that he was serving at the time, so it’s probably redundant. His article hasn’t been updated though, I’ll do it.
(P.S.: always remember to sign your interventions in talk pages by using four tildes, ~~~~). 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 15:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Malta's participation

Should we keep Malta on the provisional list of participants? Neither Wiwibloggs or ESCToday tag it as confirmed. Links: https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/10/03/countries-still-to-confirm-for-eurovision-2022/266626/ http://esctoday.com/183564/eurovision-2022-how-many-countries-will-participate-in-italy/ Aleki37 (talk) 14:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Now confirmed by the national broadcaster. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 15:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Some random trivia

Apparently this is only the second time we have three consecutive non-capital cities hosting Eurovision, after Lugano, Frankfurt and Hilversum ('56-58). Is this worth adding to the page or just random trivia? Insaneguy1083 (talk) 11:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

If it is at all worth mentioning on Wikipedia, then at least not on this page, since I don't think it's really relevant to ESC 2022. Maybe on List of Eurovision Song Contest host cities instead. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Switzerland artist announcement

where does the source ever say that the artist will be announced by January? it just says "early 2022", and historically they've always announced in March or so. the 'ready for rehearsals by January' bit doesn't necessarily imply that the artist will also be announced by that time Insaneguy1083 (talk) 17:16, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Hm, good point. Looking through the page history, it was added by IvanScrooge98 here back in August. Maybe the source was changed since then? In any case I think it should be removed now. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 18:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
@Insaneguy1083: hm, I am pretty sure it said the artist would be announced before they would do the rehearsals in January. Though as Jochem said, it is likely the text was changed when it was updated (around a month after I visited the page). 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 19:23, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
"The rules don't say when the successful act will be announced but notes that applicants will know by the end of 2021 if their song has been successful." Never mind, I must have misinterpreted that as referring to an announcement intended for the public. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 19:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Lithuania date

@IvanScrooge98: Why are we putting Lithuania’s as January or February in the info box. In the past it was constantly removed because a specific month was not specified. I just want to know why it was done and Hope that there won’t be an edit war . I just want to talk about here and make a consensus about what we do. Sammyham84 (talk) 07:10, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sammyham84: you are right that the exact month was not specified, but it is known the selection is not going to be held earlier than January and that it is highly unlikely it will finish later than February, given it will consist of a maximum of 6 shows. That is why I had included it. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 07:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Okay that is true but then I feel like we are kind of assuming when it finish at this point even though it is likely that it will end in February I feel like we should not add it until there is an actual confirmation that it will end in February because there is a chance that it will end in March so I’m just feel we should wait Sammyham84 (talk) 07:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
You are probably right. Since another user had told me about this, I guess it is 2 vs 1. I’ll remove it for now. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 07:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for understanding Sammyham84 (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

"Semi-final" vs "semi-finalists"

To me "semi-final" seems like a much more appropriate header; it is more consistent with other articles, and also "finalists" to me sound like it refers to people even though there is (currently) only one person in that list; the Belgian entrant. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Relevance in the Other Countries section

Recently I boldy removed a few countries from Eurovision Song Contest 2022 § Other countries, but that got reverted. I personally am in favour of keeping it short, since this section (and the article as a whole) tends to get quite long, and because it's basically a collection of a lot of mostly unrelated information. So that's why I think it should only include sourced information directly about Eurovision 2022; not when it's merely suggested. Otherwise you also get a lot of repeated information; for example the entries for Belarus in 2021, 2022 and the 2023 draft are basically the same, which seems very unnecessary to me. If you want to know more about individual countries you can also just look at the country-specific articles. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jochem van Hees: I agree that repetitions are often bothersome, but I also think that as long as some piece of information can relate to a certain edition, it is much more helpful for the reader to have it directly there rather than having to jump across articles. For example, regarding Belarus, there is a reason it is marked as non-returning in the map since long before any announcement: the ban extends to 2024 so we already know it won't take part in 2022 and 2023 unless a contrary decision is made by the EBU. If a reader finds a yellow Belarus at the very top of the article and then scrolls down in search of an explanation, I believe they should be able find it. The cases of Belarus or Cyprus look to me much more useful to have in our article than, for instance, Luxembourg re-confirming yet another absence, as has been for ages. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 14:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Ivan, that the page should contain an explanation for yellow countries on the map (so we are missing Morocco at the moment). And actually, it is relevant. Because every single EBU member gets an explicit invitation every year again and every year again, they have to explicitly confirm their participation or non-participation. Therefore, every year again, the broadcasters have had their thoughts and meetings about it and made a decision. Luxembourg's decision to not participate in 2022 is officially separate from its decision to not participate in 2021. Or 2019. Or 2007. Or 1994. It's not like they went absent in 1994 and will be absent until stated otherwise. They take a decision every year again. So it's logical to report about it, because with the invitation, EBU members are expected to participate. So if they don't, it's good to mention the reasons or anything that can be said about it. Hhl95 (talk) 12:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, both fair points. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Links to 2022 articles

@009988aaabbbccc: hey, apparently a lot of people (including me tbh) don't like these red wikilinks to the 2022 participation articles. Maybe it should be discussed on the talk page instead of constantly reverting over it like an edit warrior? Personally I don't like the look of all those red links, and also they are just not helpful. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. We just don't have enough information to justify all of those wikilinks. Granfcanuon (talk) 13:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I give up, do what you want. 009988aaabbbccc (talk) 14:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
It's interesting that until a moment before the official announcement, you wanted to have no wikilinks at all and right after you wanted to have all those red ones (including in the map, very confusing for readers). After these words though, I consider the matter closed. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 15:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I say do what you want. 009988aaabbbccc (talk) 16:04, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes, could you please remove the red links you've added to all of those articles and templates? Especially in chronology sections, it makes it confusing for readers. I've also suggested in the past that you discuss large scale edits like this before doing them in case people didn't think it was a good idea. I don't understand why you keep doing it anyway and then acting this way when someone objects. Grk1011 (talk) 16:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I took care of that. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 16:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
(Though I left the links in the templates, since after all they are an indication of participation as one assumes they are going to be created in the near future.) 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 17:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Georgia Colour Change

Change the 'Participation Map' section to have Georgia as green instead of purple. --DeltaOfficial (talk) 11:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Israel's Broadcast

In The X Factor Show, Liron Weissman Said That The Eurovision Will Be Broadcast on Channel Kan 11. DSOFOreverTYU (talk) 20:37, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Important

Look, @5.55.202.226: You should not be edit warring with any editor, Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made. Chip3004 (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Poland

The wikitable in Eurovision Song Contest 2022#Semi-finals says that Poland will reveal their artist and song by 15 January. But they are supposed to reveal only their artist. DSOFOreverTYU (talk) 13:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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Ukraine's song title

The Eurovision website on the participants page has officially revealed Alina's song title to be 'Tini zabutykh predkiv / Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors'. If we follow what we usually follow with song titles in languages that use other alphabets, the result of this would be "Tini zabutykh predkiv / Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors" (Тіні забутих предків). My question is, would that be too long to include in the table? Eurovision has done this before, where the translation of the song title is falsely included as part of the actual title. However, I don't think this is the case here, since usually the translation would be in parentheses, and here the Eurovision website has used a slash, which indicates that that is the actual title of the song. It's also the title of the song on Alina's official YouTube channel. So does this mean that we include the very long "Tini zabutykh predkiv / Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors" (Тіні забутих предків)??? Granfcanuon (talk) 15:10, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

On streaming services it seems to be only the English title (YouTube, Spotify). So I'd say go with that. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
I think it is still inconsistent on other websites whether both are used together or only one is used. For example, on YouTube another video from her same channel uses both titles; I believe both videos may exist to potentially aid searching. I would continue to have both titles on Wikipedia for the time being until a broader consensus is brokered or until it becomes clear which title becomes the more predominant closer to the event. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Nadir Rüstəmli

@IvanScrooge98: & @Sims2aholic8:, where do you guys get the idea that "ə" should absolutely be transcribed as "e" and why is this such a big deal? First of all, when you say "all Azeri names on other ESC wiki articles are Anglicised like this", this is simply not true. Any random search through the names of the Azerbaijani contestants would show that Fərid Məmmədov is transcribed as Farid Mammadov, Səbinə Babayeva is transcribed as Sabina Babayeva, and Səfurə is transcribed as Safura. The only reason why Əfəndiyeva was transcribed as Efendi is because it was anglicised to match an existing English word. I really fail to understand this insistence. If the idea is to preserve the original spelling, then Rüstəmli should be kept as is (and too bad if standard European typesets do not contain the character "ə" - this is no reason to distort the orthography of a foreign language), or be anglicised into Rustamli according to the transcription convention. "Rüstemli" is neither Azeri, nor English. English-language sources have started to use the spelling Rustamli - I suggest we go by that. Parishan (talk) 18:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

It looks like it's a bit early to understand what the most common spelling of the name will be. Parishan appears to be correct with past precedence, though I do oppose the no reason to distort the orthography of a foreign language comment as it is common practice in nearly every situation to modify a spelling of a word/name if it does not use letters that exist in the English language. Grk1011 (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I disagree. I have not seen the Icelandic spelling being modified in Eyþór Ingi Gunnlaugsson and Daði Freyr (both Eurovision contestants), even though Icelandic is just about the only language that uses the letters "þ" and "ð" and they do not appear to be any more "standard European" than "ə". Parishan (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough, my point was to keep some consistency with his name, since it was being spelled in something like three or four different ways in different articles. I would have waited for the announcement at www.eurovision.tv to see what spelling they would have used, but the article was created in the meantime. We should still use ü though, as in Elnur Hüseynov. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 19:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I do not mind keeping the "ü" (even though this is contrary to the idea of consistency we are trying to abide by, but hey... why not). Parishan (talk) 19:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Actually I agree that it makes little sense to half-transcribe Azeri names this way, but I don’t think this is the place to discuss that. Again, let’s just wait until his name appears on the Eurovision website. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 19:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I believe we have enough sources by now, and ESC Today is notable enough. Even the Azerbaijani state press agency prefers the spelling "Rustamli" in its English-language publications [3]. Parishan (talk) 19:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
You mean this right? Uhm, then it make sense to move it back there, at least provisionally. Though I would wait for other users to join the discussion at this point. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 19:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
My worry is that we are currently in violation of WP:SOAPBOX. The current spelling in the article is one that a Wikipedia user has invented based on their personal (no offense) interpretation of how Azeri names should be transcribed, which makes it WP:OR (hence my not-so-mild reaction at the persistance of some users in blindly reverting any proposed modifications). Since Wikipedia is a go-to reference for this kind of news, there is a risk that online publications would just take over this OR spelling because this is how it appears as the top result in a search engine, and then we shall end up with a myriad spellings for the same name. With the spelling Rustamli, at least we have some source basis. Parishan (talk) 19:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
You have a point. Let’s move it back. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 20:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
The move function currently bars me from proceeding myself, I left a move request on the talk page. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 20:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
@IvanScrooge98: Thank you. I believe this would even qualify for speedy renaming since there is already a consensus and the issue is merely technical. Parishan (talk) 21:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
This is the guideline in question: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics) § Other types of diacritics, non-standard letters and ligatures indeed, it doesn’t seem to be so thoroughly followed. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 19:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I didn't get it, will it be Rüstəmli, Rüstemli, or Rustamli? Europe2016 (talk) 07:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I suggest Rüstəmli. Europe2016 (talk) 07:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
@Europe2016: we seem to be moving it to Rustamli (see Talk:Nadir Rüstemli), in any case we won't keep it where it is. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 22:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2022

90.255.244.145 (talk) 20:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)


The information about the U.K. announcing their entrant on March 10th is a lie and needs removing.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It is sourced, and it appears the deadline is March 10th. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit request

Take Russia out of the semi final list now that EBU said the country will not compete to Turin. This also means Russia has to be highlighted in yellowish-orange on the map of participating countries.72.92.40.56 (talk) 16:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

A reliable source is required for this edit to be made. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 16:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
EBU has announced it in Twitter, not yet on their web page. twitter.com/EBU_HQ EBU has announced that no Russian act will participate in this year's Eurovision Song contest. The executive board of the EBU made the decision following a recommendation earlier today by the Eurovision Song Contest's governing body, The Reference Group, based on the rules of the event and the values of the EBU. Plingen Plungen (talk) 16:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Now also on their page ebu.ch. Plingen Plungen (talk) 16:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2022

Change the map in the main infobox so that Finland is green, as they have selected their song 'Jezebel' by the Rasmus. 81.153.209.175 (talk) 21:05, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Map has been updated. -- AxG / ✉  21:50, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! POLARIS183 (talk) 21:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Romanian entry’s language

Does Romania’s song have enough Spanish in it to be considered an English/Spanish song? It’s literally two lines (Hola mi bebe-be/Llámame llámame) repeating 142.114.221.83 (talk) 05:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2022

Denmark needs to go green on the infobox - The Show by Reddi has been selected at the DMGP. POLARIS183 (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Just looked, it's green now. Blue Edits (talk) 07:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2022

Change the UK's status on the map from red to green, as a song has been selected. Eyesrhea (talk) 10:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

please don't change the composition of the page Eurovision Song Contest 2022

some users change the page, unifying these two section "visual design" and " stage design" into only one section and other two section "Location" and "other sites" into another section. In the page "Eurovision Song Contest 2021", these four section (visual design, stage design, location, other sites) are distinctive section. So please can we maintain the structure of the page as it was in the edit of 11 March 2022 on 4:42 pm? thanks--Michele1999 (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm seeing that as well. Grk1011, maybe you can jump in and elaborate on why these info reorganisations are occurring?--Pdhadam (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Sure. It is because the existing made absolutely no sense. And for that matter, year after year it hasn't made much sense. We have to start somewhere when fixing this stuff. The stage design and visual design have nothing to do with the "format" of the contest. They are relevant details of the production of the event. Regardless of if you believe in the larger reorganized sections, please do not separate out coherent paragraphs into lists of updates. The reader doesn't care when things were announced and by whom; what happened and how it happened is what is important. Additionally please do not separate things like presenters for example into their own mini-sections with one sentence. If you read the article from top to bottom it jumps all over the place. As we move to get these articles to WP:GA status and above, we really need to make sure we're keeping an eye on readability and conciseness. Past years have not gone through a rigorous review process and should not be taken as the "guide". Open to other suggestions to move towards this goal. Grk1011 (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
No, the section "other sites" should be distincted from the section Location because "LOCATION" is refered to the main venue and the bidding process
OTHER SITES is refered to the location for ESC village and opening ceremony venue. THERE ARE TWO DiFFERENT THINGS!

For presenters, visual and stage design all these thing could stay in the format (because the decision of the 3 components are part of the format) or the produzione --151.34.91.28 (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense though. There is no need to separate "other locations" when it can just be a sentence in the location section. The location is the city, not the venue itself. All contest locations are relevant, they aren't just "other". As for the other three, it's undue weight to separate them out into their own sections. They are not format, they are part of the production. Grk1011 (talk) 23:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Dutch song title case

@Jochem van Hees: Figured best to avoid an edit war by raising a discussion here. All Dutch song titles for Eurovision are in sentence case (e.g. De troubadour), and while the official website capitalises each word, other websites have used title case ([4]). Although not specified on Wikipedia, other publishers do specify Dutch titles should use sentence case, i.e. capitalising only the first word, e.g. MusicBrainz. Would love to reach an agreement and to dispel any further warring that may crop up. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

TIL something about my own language. I thought in Dutch it was standard to use title case. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
It's fine how it is
S10 "De Diepte" 203.30.15.253 (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Latin in Serbian entry

Seems like there's a disagreement regarding whether "In Corpore Sano" is bilingual or not. I'd argue adding Latin alongside Serbian since the entire final verse is in Latin. AdamantiosK (talk) 16:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed due to final verse being in Latin. There's four unique lines of Latin, one repeated line in Latin, and one backwards line in Latin. I think that's a significant portion. I also checked the MoS and WP:SONG but didn't find anything regarding the language of songs (aside from title capitalization). Blue Edits (talk) 07:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Reasonable. 203.30.15.253 (talk) 12:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Add links

Add links such as Eurovision websites; Official Website, EurovisionWorld Eurovisionworld and their social media such as Twitter, Instagram, Facebook & YouTube — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.30.15.253 (talk) 00:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Eurovisionworld is a fansite, and Wiki pages do not link to those. The main eurovision.tv site is already linked on the main ESC page.--Pdhadam (talk) 08:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
@Pdhadam True, I just was mindtesting 203.30.15.253 (talk) 12:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

ukraine

they will ceace to exist very soon and can not participate. please have them removed from the list of participants and added to withdrawals.84.212.107.130 (talk) 12:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

UA:PBC has not said anything about that yet, so no.--Pdhadam (talk) 15:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I assume the most recent edit is related to this (and probably vandalism). Can we remove the "for now" from the final sentence of the section "Ukrainian artist replacement"? It feels leading and politically charged. As far as we know, the Ukrainian broadcaster is still intending to compete, and if they announce that they won't be later on, then the article can be edited as such. Spokensprak (talk) 00:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Ukraine is participating @Pdhadam 203.30.15.253 (talk) 12:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Ukraine is officially participating. If the war will still keep going on May, they will use the Live-on-tape performance. Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 14:55, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Nadir Rustamli's song (AZE 2022)

The song name of Azerbaijan may be "Closer to you" or "Emperor". 188.72.178.10 (talk) 01:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
What makes you say that? 203.30.15.253 (talk) 12:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
The song is called "Stay" (1) Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 14:53, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
It's not any of those! 203.30.15.253 (talk) 10:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Languages

Would you say that “SloMo” is more accurately described as Spanglish rather than Spanish with English phrases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.143.180 (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Spanglish would go well in SloMo (Chanel) yeah yeah yeah yeah! 203.30.15.253 (talk) 04:39, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Israeli Broadcast

In The X Factor Israel, Liron Weizman said multiple times "תחרות האירוויזיון תשודר בכאן 11 ב-14 במאי", (English: The Eurovision Song Contest will be aired on Kan 11 on May 14". Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 15:12, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

You 100% sure 'bout that @Europe2016 203.30.15.253 (talk) 04:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
203.30.15.253, Yes I'm sure. I watched almost every episode in the show. Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 14:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I.M Language

Israel's song I.M by Michael Ben David is mainly in English, but the "Ethnic part" includes the Hebrew word "Yalla" and there is also a "Mah At Omeret" outburst during the song. Please could the Language be updated to English with a [] next to it detailing that it contains some words in Hebrew? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.116.208 (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes!!!! I feel so dumb now @82.3.116.208. We will do it as soon as possible! 203.30.15.253 (talk) 12:10, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
@82.3.116.208 "Yalla" is actually in Arabic. Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 15:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Arabic? Oh Europe2016 203.30.15.253 (talk) 04:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
203.30.15.253, What do you mean by Oh Europe2016? Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 14:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Should we add...

Should we add some more detail like... who is most voted in the EurovisionWorld poll (currently Azerbaijan is most voted). Maybe national finals like add a table with the national finals? I don't know if that'd work but I'm just throwing ideas around. Maybe updating the table that tells you all the songs & artists we could write when the songs were released. If you go to https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/calendar, you will see the calendar of when they got released! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.30.15.253 (talk) 10:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate your thoughts here, however information on when songs were released, national finals etc. is already covered in the specific country articles; it is unnecessary to include in this article as well, and takes away focus from the main crux of this article, which is about the actual event held in May. Including information on fan polls could go against Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and I do not see how the EurovisionWorld poll could be classed as notable given its limited scope of coverage outside of the Eurovision fandom. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Sure @Sims2aholic8, thanks for telling me that. I appreciate your response. I'm under 10 and I LOOOOVE Eurovision. I know nearly everything about the show! Anyway, I just love doing stuff. It's my dream and I just like throwing ideas! Thanks again @Sims2aholic8. Have a great life :) 203.30.15.253 (talk) 04:44, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
203.30.15.253, the Eurovisionworld Poll is rigged, for example: Armenia is 3rd mainly because 98% of the voters from Armenia have voted for their country. Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 17:17, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
But that was true (it was for the poll) 112.213.221.241 (talk) 11:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Wait I violated the guidelines. Oops lol 112.213.221.241 (talk) 11:55, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

It is officially known as "MoroccanOil Eurovision Song Contest Turin 2022"

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

News regarding Israel

Hi guys,
This is a public service announcement to let you guys know that due to strikes at KAN, it is possible that Israel may not participate at Eurovision.
Source: [1]
We may have to update the page to reflect this situation throughout the week, in case the live-on-tape is ruled out.
Thanks!
POLARIS183 (talk) 09:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

It's currently included in the semi-final table - check the footnote beside Israel's name. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 10:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://wiwibloggs.com/2022/04/12/israel-eurovision-2022-withdrawal/271506/

Interval acts section

@Pdhadam: I don't see why there shouldn't be an interval acts section? Yes it's also mentioned in the infobox, but per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE the infobox is there only to summarise the key points of the article, not contain new information. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:16, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Having a section solely containing one interval act at this moment looks and feels like excess content. Further interval acts are coming anyhow, so I believe the section should open once more arrives Pdhadam (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Is that better than not covering it at all though? I don't really see a better place to put that info. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
I concur. Will open one, but add info indicating that more interval acts are to come Pdhadam (talk) 13:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Big 5 running order date

@TheTDChronicler: Sorry, I did not mean for this to be taken personally. I'm just following Wikipedia's policies and guidelines; information must have a reliable source to be added to Wikipedia. It is quite common for information to be revealed a few hours before reliable sources pick it up. During that time it should not be on Wikipedia because it is indistinguishable from a hoax. (I don't know why anyone would make this a hoax and yeah the info is probably correct, but it's just better to follow the policy.) ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 19:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@TheTDChronicler: I know that the half draw will take place on 7 May but the full draw (1-26) will be revealed by the EBU on 13 May. Europe2016 ~ talk ~ Eurovision 05:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2022

Canada is broadcasting the contest on the channel OMNI. 2607:FEA8:3DC0:A:782B:4BFB:EA7E:4A1F (talk) 01:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Spokespersons notes

@Pdhadam: I had a discussion last year at WT:ESC with Sims2aholic8 which resulted in the removal of all these notes. Apparently they have been added back in though. The reason I don't like them is because it isn't really consistent who does and who doesn't get a note. And they are just unnecessary anyway; it is not relevant to ESC 2022 and if you really want to know who they are you can just look at their Wikipedia article. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:45, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Agree. Including the notes somewhat leads to that being seen as a determining factor for their selection as the spokesperson, when it's actually just some previous work they've done. Grk1011 (talk) 12:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
@Jochem van Hees I personally think that the notes still should be kept in, especially for figures who don't have a Wikipedia page or has one but not in English. Regardless - I suggest putting up a vote on the project talkpage on whether to keep these notes or remove them altogether (if the latter is chosen, do it across all ESC year pages as well) Pdhadam (talk) 14:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to add my continued support for removing these notes. I concur with Grk1011, I think having this kind of overview for relevant individuals could be misleading in making it seem like this was a criteria for their selection when no such criteria exists. In addition, I think it could also easily spiral in what should be included; right now it's only performance/presenter info from past Eurovision contests which is included (which personally I already find a little overkill in places), but there could be scope-creep down the line from other contributors adding other bits of information that are less relevant to the article. There's also a question of continuity, e.g. notes are only added for performers or presenters in years after they competed/presented a contest, even though they may have been a spokesperson in previous years. I realise we didn't exactly come to a broad conclusion in our discussion last time, so happy for this to be raised to the project talk page to determine a course of action on this. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 07:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pdhadam: I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision § Small notes for spokespersons. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2022

The opening act of the second semi-final will be a stand-up comedy act. The fact that it is about Italian stereotypes and hand gestures is true, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:36d:1201:34d:7d00:1da5:f1de:f9d7 (talk) 11:43, 2 May 2022 (UCT) (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amadeus22 🙋 🔔 21:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

French

This will be the first contest without a single French lyric. I included this in the introductory section as I felt it was quite noteworthy, after 66 editions of the contest, one of the two official languages will not be heard in the songs. I was told this was not relevant, however, so I said I'd ask the Talk Page. How do you feel? anto475 18:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Well the first issue would be that anything in the introduction/lead needs to be discussed somewhere in the body of the article. The lead is a summary of the article so it cannot have anything that's not explained later on. Things in the lead also need to be notable in terms of the article overall. I think that no French lyrics this year is interesting, but not really that important? It's perhaps more relevant in List of languages in the Eurovision Song Contest or History of the Eurovision Song Contest. At a minimum it could maybe be added as a sentence in the "Entries" section, but I agree with @Pdhadam: that the lead is not the right spot for it. Grk1011 (talk) 18:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Concurring with @Grk1011, ultimately the fact that no French lyric is present in this year's ESC is not going to have much of an utmost importance in the grander scheme of things Pdhadam (talk) 18:59, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
I wouldn't be for including this in the lead section of the article (barring the limitations on lead section inclusion per Grk1011s comment), but I wouldn't be against mentioning it at some point later in the article. Amadeus22 🙋 🔔 21:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2022

Request to include additional broadcasting for Norway, since they also have a commentary on NRK P1 which is on the radio. It is not only NRK1 who is broadcasting ESC in Norway.

https://www.nrk.no/kultur/ukraina-er-favorittar-i-eurovision-1.15957086

This is the source which states that P1 is also broadcasting, will need to scroll down to find it. RonsonS (talk) 09:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 10:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Johnny Weir USA

https://twitter.com/JohnnyGWeir/status/1523665442438479872

Request to add Johnny Weir to the US commentary for Peacock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6080:4500:994A:790E:3B0C:99F4:4C95 (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

NORTH MACEDONIA NAMING

I think that in the incidents page , every single reference to Macedonia should be corrected as there was a long naming dispute with Greece .

Greece and North Macedonia gained an agreement couple of years ago, and the use of Macedonia it self is prohibited.

This typo will trigger a lot of people and its inaccurate.

North Macedonian’s flag, North Macedonia’s law.

You wouldn’t use simply korea for both countries why to do that with north macedonia Nickodath (talk) 12:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia). "Macedonian" is a valid adjective for the country North Macedonia. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

"Humorous ode "

I believe that calling the opening act of the second semi final "humorous" is a violation of WP:NPOV. It should br changed to something like "stand-up comedy act" or just not put anything in front of it. --85.238.69.176 (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I've removed "humorous", but not replaced it with anything. -- AxG / ✉  18:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

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The table in Semi-final 1 is not accessible

The countries that qualified for the final are only indicated using font and colour changes, making this information inaccessible to blind people using screen readers such as myself. See MOS:COLOUR

Can someone fix this? KaraLG84 (talk) 08:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

This is unfortunate but every table is like this. Fixing one would mean fixing 60+ articles and a hundred or so tables. It will need a lot of consultation and work to repair doktorb wordsdeeds 10:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Not really, because those tables have another column for how high they placed. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 10:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
There must be a way of doing this via a bot or AutoWikiBrowser. KaraLG84 (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for sorting this out @Jochem van Hees: KaraLG84 (talk) 11:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I think we should try to adhere to MOS and accessibility guidelines even if it's a lot of work. I'm not sure what the best way to do it is though. An extra column for Qualified/Not qualified? Are there any articles with similar tables we can refer to? Blue Edits (talk) 10:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I mean, take for example Norway in the Eurovision Song Contest 2022 § Final, which has a similar result column. I think that could work here too. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 10:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

ESC 2021 is produced in 4K but upscaled

apparently RAI is producing the whole thing but in upscaled 4K, as they weren't fully equipped with the necessary stuff to make this a "true 4K" experience.

source: https://www.dday.it/redazione/42595/eurovision-song-contest-sara-trasmesso-su-rai-4k-ma-upscalato

187.61.233.248 (talk) 00:51, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Untitled

Tatana Kucharova will announce the Czech points --2A01:36D:1200:40F6:4DE3:D567:35D7:28D3 (talk) 12:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

 Already done ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

tix have been announced as the norwegian spokeperson

i just read it on nrk`s website. you never check my sources however so, check it out yourself.84.212.100.141 (talk) 12:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

 Already done — Ætoms [talk] 18:48, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Michael Ben David's DSQ

How do we adress the news that Michael has been disqualified? Do we mark Israel in red? ImStevan (talk) 21:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Right now I can find only one source talking about it, Il Giorno and I don't know if it's reliable. I'd say first wait for more sources to pick this up, because otherwise this would be a BLP issue. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
@Jochem van Hees: rai? ImStevan (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
It appears to have been a misinterpretation of a presscon with the hosts (https://eurowizja.org/eurowizja-2022-izrael-dyskwalifikacja/) - in any case we need to wait until the EBU puts out a statement Pdhadam (talk) 03:25, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
(https://www.eurofestivalnews.com/2022/05/14/eurovision-2022-michael-ben-david-non-squalifica/) It was confirmed by Eurofestival News that it was a misinterpretation. ESCXtra contacted the EBU and they did that as well (https://escxtra.com/2022/05/14/michael-ben-david-disqualified-translation/) Pdhadam (talk) 10:59, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2022

I would like to edit this wikipedia page because I can help edit the scoreboard and facts about Australia. Eurovisionperson333 (talk) 23:33, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit requests are for requesting specific things to be changed; we can't help you with editing privileges. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 23:35, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2022

This year's hasn't been Spain's best result since 1995, but since 1984. In 1995, Spain came 2nd. In 2022, Spain has come 3rd, the same position as in 1984. 88.5.61.164 (talk) 04:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

In that case the best result since 1984 would be 1995, not 2022. 2022 is the best result since 1995, so the statement is correct. Blue Edits (talk) 08:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Request to fix transcription error.

In the table "Semi-final 2 voting results (televote)" in the "Scoreboard" section, Australia/Total Score is shown as 143 but should be 243. Could someone please fix this? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.193.208.154 (talk) 00:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2022

The wiki says the voting is done by a professional jury from each country.

That's untrue, EBU has the strength to withdraw those jury's and turn the votes as they see fit. See source: https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/eurovision-2022-votes-from-six-national-juries-removed#:~:text=The%20EBU%20takes%20any%20suspected,or%20outcome%20of%20the%20voting.

Therefore these results can be seen as manipulation as the rules changed mid-game and Wikipedia as fake news for not mentioning it, but describing that each country votes themselves independently.

Therefore I request that this FACT gets mentioned and the description about the jury's and country votes edited, since this wasn't the case for 1/3 of the countries. 77.251.49.202 (talk) 02:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The EBU having the capability to step in and substitute the votes created by juries with an aggregated one in the event they suspect manipulation does not change the fact that the professional juries exist. You are also required to, when making edit requests, present the exact prose you want inserted into the article and provide sourcing should it be necessary. —Sirdog (talk) 03:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Broadcaster Iceland

Can't edit this myself due to being new here, someone please add the name of the Icelandic Radio commentary from RAS 2 which is Gísli Marteinn Baldursson. Link to RUV's schedule of the day which mentions this. MB0RuS (talk) 08:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Latvian commentators

The semi-finals were (and always are) commentated only by Toms Grēviņš, Lauris Reiniks joined the commentary only for the finals, which is how the broadcaster operates. They do the same thing every year, I know this because I watched all the shows live on LTV. Unfortunately, I was not able to find any news sources, either in Latvian or English, that confirm this specific arrangement. I tried the same approach as 2021's sources, but 2021's links are inaccessible and this year's TV schedule doesn't have any information either. May I still edit the table to add the correct commentary arrangement? MinMinnH (talk) 10:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

FINAL SCOREBOARD

I think there are a few errors in the scoring for the grand final. If you look at the jury votes table, San Marino have apparently given 3 points to both Sweden & Estonia. I don't know the scores to correct the error. Belgium & Norway are wrong. Iceland & Cyprus are wrong. France is way off. Every column should add up to 58 and there should only be one occurence each of 1-8, 10 & 12. That's not the case. I haven't looked at the televoting table, but it may also be out. I think it's just a matter of shifting numbers into the next column. I just don't know which. MWEditorial (talk) 06:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I've shifted Estonia's row back in place, so those should be good now. Blue Edits (talk) 08:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Great! As I didn't know any of the scores, I didn't attempt any correction! MWEditorial (talk) 17:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


Titles for the final points tables are the wrong way round

Please change, the televote and jury tables have the wrong titles. This is easily identifiable from looking at Ukraine in both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:6282:4000:F5CF:C23F:4C7A:E9AF (talk) 00:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand how you think they are wrong. Ukraine received lots of twelve points in the televote, and that's exactly what is shown in the table. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Have you considered it may have been incorrect when that person made the comment? Apache287 (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Austrian Radio commentary missing

Autria's public radio FM4 had an alternative commentary transmission named: Melodien aus Turin which is mentioned on the German wikipedia page but not on this English version. I don't have edit rights, someone may want to add this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB0RuS (talk • contribs) 10:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done. MinMinnH (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Irish TV Audience

Also can't edit but Final had 314,500 in Ireland for RTÉ ONE and RTÉ ONE +1 in total. source https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/eurovision-2020-viewing-figures-average-26979103 IrishTV (talk) 11:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Ukrainian win (Russian win?)

It is likely that Ukraine won in many ways due to the fact that they were attacked by Russia. It is possible that if Russia had not invaded, Ukraine would not have won. Why is it not written in the "Incidents" section?

See these links

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/14/entertainment/ukraine-wins-eurovision-song-contest-2022-after-russian-invasion-intl/index.html

&

https://www.nbcchicago.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/ukrainian-band-kalush-orchestra-wins-eurovision-2022-amid-war/2832635/

These are only two in English, and, of course, there are many more in Russian. 212.164.205.176 (talk) 19:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Because the fact that there's a military invasion does not explicitly affects how the contest is organised. Also, there's already a host of incidents related to both ESC and the ongoing war in the aforementioned section, and Russia–Ukraine relations in the Eurovision Song Contest has that tidbit you asked too Pdhadam (talk) 11:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Czech TV audience

According to this source and this source, Eurovision final averaged 137,000 viewers in Czech Repulic on ČT2, 1,419,000 viewers in Belgium across both regions, 800,000 viewers in Lithuania etc. In Poland, the final peaked at 3,766,000. There are also more precise numbers on countries that are already mentioned in the article. - Kacza195, 18 May 2022, 17:58 — Preceding undated comment added 17:59, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The Sound Of Beauty

Fellow Wikipedians, I would like to edit the 2022 Eurovision Song Contest page, so it has a bit on the theme, The Sound Of Beauty.What is everyone's view on that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiFan2456 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Edited to remove extra space. Unless you're reporting on official statements/quotes from the EBU and its associates regarding the theme, please see WP:FORUM. MinMinnH (talk) 06:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
No, I would just like to write about it. Nothing fancy! I'm still new! WikiFan2456 (talk) 19:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Is Laura's absence really an "incident"?

I'm not sure this was a notable enough event to constitute a section in the incidents section, and had Mika and Alessandro not said anything when she returned this would probably have not been included as press would not have picked up on it. Much like the MBD stuff, I think this is a case of journalists chasing their own tails? It's not unusual to have hosts not always on screen, especially in the voting sections.

tl;dr - not notable. Spa-Franks (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Even though it was not planned, I also don't think it reached the threshold of an "incident". I also recommend removal. IMO it just didn't matter much. Grk1011 (talk) 20:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Viewership

I feel like it's about time we introduced more collumns to the viewership numbers. As it is right now, both numbers representing the number of people that watched at least one minute of the show and an average audience throughout the show are mashed together for no reason, and some countries only have the market share value. I see no reason as to why it shouldn't be clarified which number represents what, aswell as adding the market share value. ImStevan (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Polish-Ukrainian controversy

Polish and Ukrainian media and politicians commented on the Ukrainian jury not awarding points to Poland, even a Ukrainian minister commented on this, so it's rather high profile. See https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/05/16/minister-expresses-shame-at-ukraine-jury-giving-no-points-to-poland-at-eurovision/ , https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/culture-minister-ukrainian-jury-giving-zero-points-to-poland-lithuania-at-eurovision-is-a-shame/ , and like. Likely this incident deserves a brief mention in the controversy section. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Clan rebroadcasting in Spain

Please, could you add in the broadcasts section that Clan TVE also broadcast the Eurovision final several days later on a deferred basis for Spain?

It would also be nice to add that it had an audience of 71,000 viewers and an average audience share of 0.9%.

I attach information about this:


https://www.escplus.es/la-reposicion-de-la-final-de-eurovision-2022-09-atrae-al-publico-joven-en-clan/

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferx90 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Rebroadcasts are not included in the section as it only refers to info relating to live broadcasting plans for the shows. Pdhadam (talk) 10:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Ratings Summary

Obviously, the list of viewer numbers isn't complete nor exhaustive as many countries aren't included, but all of the biggest markets are reported. I know the EBU have issued their annual summary of the viewing figures and I understand fully why that is accepted as a reliable source, but apparently the missing countries from the list had 107 million viewers between them if we are to believe the EBU nonsense. Regardless, the 161 million number quoted combines all three shows. It is not a figure for the final. Regardless of the accuracy of the claim by the EBU, the number is thus recorded in the wrong section of the article. It should be a stand alone figure and not included in the column for the final. The EBU counts all watchers for all shows. If you watch all three shows you are counted as three viewers, even though you are only one. This alone skews the numbers, without all the made up nonsense they come up with every year. This section of the article is thus flawed and needs reviewing. Or were there really 107 million viewers in Iceland, Armenia, Azerbaijan, etc etc etc... er... highly unlikely. 75.109.248.26 (talk) 02:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

You are correct. The 161 million figure is for all three shows, not the final alone and should not be included in the final column.MWEditorial (talk) 04:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Runners Up

Why does this article name both the United Kingdom and Spain as runners up? There is only one runner up. Not two. United Kingdom came second. Spain came third. The United Kingdom is the sole runner up. There is only one winner. There is also only one runner up (second place). Why isn’t this reflected in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:C884:6301:8518:A6D1:7B1B:1025 (talk) 08:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

"Runners-up" also indicate everyone who has finished behind the winner, see Prize: "Hierarchical prizes, where the best award is "first prize", "grand prize", or "gold medal". Subordinate awards are "second prize", "third prize", etc., or "first runner-up" and "second runner-up", etc., or "silver medal" and "bronze medal". (In some contests, "grand prize" is more desirable than "first prize".)" Pdhadam (talk) 06:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, this was intended for 2023 article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:C884:6301:8518:A6D1:7B1B:1025 (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Voting: Grand Final

The tables showing the final jury and televoting results have their titles reversed. In the table that includes the televoting for the grand final, the title given to the table is "Final voting results (jury vote)," even though one of the column headers says "Televoting score" and the data shown is the televoting data (e.g., Ukraine did not receive 439 points from the jury vote, but from the televote [1]). Similarly, in the table that includes the jury vote data, the title given to the table is "Final voting results (televote)," even though one of the column headers says "Jury vote score" and the data shown is the jury vote data (e.g., United Kingdom did not receive 283 points from the televote, but from the jury vote [2]). BugattiFan23 (talk) 02:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision § Scoreboard tables. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:06, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://eurovision.tv/event/turin-2022/grand-final/results/ukraine
  2. ^ https://eurovision.tv/event/turin-2022/grand-final/results/united-kingdom
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