Talk:Eric Gagnon

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What exactly is the problem? Just because you don't fit the mold of a public figure, you don't need to edit my work that much. I just found 10 different sources online to support what you deleted!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinpucas (talk • contribs) I don't know how to sign my username. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

You mean those weekly concert listings? They don't mention Gagnon at all, so they're useless for giving him album credit. Especially for people who are alive, article must be verifiable. I'm not trying to be mean, but you need to find sources that meet Wikipedia guidelines (WP:RS), or this article will be deleted. I think you should focus on finding sources that mention Gagnon specifically, before you add anything else. Please read WP:BAND. Oh, and info on signing your name is here: WP:SIGNATURE, and on your talk page. Grayfell (talk) 05:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]


THIS LOOKS GREAT, NOW! THANK YOU FOR REFINING ERIC'S WELL EARNED NOTORIETY! Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]


If you paid attention, you'd see Eric's face in the photo attached to the article! I'm not trying to tell you your business, but two of those articles mention Sylvain Sylvain from The New York Dolls! ([[User talk:|Sinpucas]]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) contribs) 06:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Do you remember deleting Eric coproducing his album with Sylvain Sylvain New York Dolls? (Sinpucas)[reply]

What photo? Attached to which article? Does the article actually say it's him? Without a source it doesn't belong. I'm not saying he isn't notable, I'm saying you need sources. It's just that simple. Grayfell (talk) 07:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok, fine. go to discographies and look at eric's name with sylvain sylvain as coproducer. also, how should I cite University of Houston? The law limits what you can know about his enrollment, just like HiIPPA in the medical field. Do you know of a way to procure archives from The Village Voice in NYC? I have two more articles that have Eric listed as producer - I'll send them your way for evaluation. Thank you kindly for all your help! Eric really deserves this page and I'm set on giving it to him as a late birthday present. He just turned 42 on August 1. Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 07:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC) (Sinpucas) Eric's name is in the liner notes of The El Caminos album, Suns of Evil. He is credited for recording and mixing Sylvain's guitar on track #2, Penetration. can I email all this information to you? I don't know how else to communicate these valid citations. Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 07:50, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can we just leave Eric's page as it is? He needs this common page because his work is reviewed heavily in three other pages - Black Lips!, Black Lips and The El Caminos Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) Also, he deserves this from you. His work is valid and integral within the Atlanta Rock Scene! He is a GREAT guy who usually produces bands for free with his studio. He produced Black Lips! for free and took them straight to the top! They were only 16 years old when Eric produced their album! Also, that was the very first time the (Black Lips) were ever in a studio! So, Eric actually created their sound! Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) If you need more empirical evidence, Google "Eric Gagnon Black Lips The El Caminos" and you'll have 10 solid pages of his name attached to all sorts of cool stuff - amounting to near 50 different web pages which actually play his music and list his name in the credits.Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't work that way. I'm sure he has done a lot of great things for a lot of deserving people, but not all of it is notable. I don't question that he's associated with the El Caminos. He's probably listed in the liner notes of all of those albums he's worked on. All you have to do is find a few secondary, reliable sources talking about it. Not liner-notes, blogs, YouTube Videos, or other fluffy stuff. Discogs is also problematic (it's what's called a self published source). Don't worry about the school thing. If there is a profile of him or something that mentions it, great, otherwise, leave it for now. The priority is establishing his notability. The Village Voice's online archives go back to 1997, this link might be helpful. Since you are friends with Gagnon, you would be wise to read about having a conflict of interest. It doesn't mean you can't edit, but it does mean you should be very careful, otherwise you will be banned.
Likewise, for the El Caminos page, you should be careful. Nobody owns an article. Eric Gagnon's permission is not wanted, nor needed, to create an article. Grayfell (talk) 08:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody help me with the 1971 thing? Sinpucas (talk) 11:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is 'talking about it'? That's as transparent as it gets. I'm on Eric's side, because he can only help your domain. He's already established himself and lucky for him, I'm here to handle your attitude and your formatting template. Having said that, I truly appreciate the fact that you have emotions and are not some automated, one way ticket to nowhere. ahahha! I'll procure those specific resources and make you proud! Thanks again for giving me the straight and narrow of what's required!Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 08:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'm really confused now. What is the difference between a "User" article and an official article like this one for Eric Gagnon? That "User" who uses Eric to create the El Caminos article lists no references, resources or anything that you've been pounding into this site. What if Eric didn't approve of that article and considered it libelous? (HE DOES NOT CARE WHAT IS SAID OR PRINTED ABOUT HIM), I'm just asking hypothetically. That User is using Eric and the caminos without proving that publications are talking about it. I would like to refine the page and establish authority over Eric's good name. Please clarify why a "User" can do what he wants without jumping through your intext, flaming, virtual, starfish kiss hoops. Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 09:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should I go ahead and create another page for The El Caminos and remove everything I've contributed to that other camino page? I know the system and I can't stand that "User" prefix. It just looks silly, plus the audience/fan base can not simply type The El Caminos in the search block. They must have esoteric knowledge of prefacing it with "User" ~ there, I've said my peace. Be well.Sinpucas (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ) 09:30, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I admit I've been less than clear about what you need to do to get this article into shape. I've been operating on the assumption that you're here to promote Eric Gagnon, and not to make this a better website. I should have given you the benefit of the doubt, but I didn't and I apologize for that.
Having a user page serve as a fake article is a huge hassle. The user account in question was banned, too, which makes it even worse. If you want to keep working on the El Caminos page, move it to your own user space, as a user draft, and don't link to it until it's a real article with most of the content well sourced. Read about that here: WP:DRAFT.
What it all comes down to is that Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion. That's the biggest problem I have with your edits. Saying that I should Google him for more info is missing the point. It's not about finding proof that it's true, it's about finding reliable sources saying that it matters. Adding a bunch of obscure albums with lots of detail and only flimsy sources makes Wikipedia look junky and half-assed, so please don't do it. What he did for the Black Lips was pretty cool, but there are a lot of stories just like that which don't have articles. It doesn't matter if it's the truth, without reliable sources saying it's at least a little bit significant, it doesn't belong here. If you just pile on a bunch of facts you happen to know, you're going to end up with an article that either eventually gets deleted, or gets shaved down to a stub. That's not much of a birthday present. Grayfell (talk) 23:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to guide me through this procedure. I'm certain you get tired of educating the world about the procedures and language and general philosophy. Eric and I know plenty of famous musicians who are included within this domain, so we know what its all about. I'll keep digging for more archives. Sinpucas (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How can I upload a photo of Eric Gagnon? Sinpucas (talk) 14:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a good intro: Help:Introduction to uploading images. Just please be sure you actually have the legal rights to upload the image. I only mention it because it is a really common problem with uploads. The link above should explain it. Grayfell (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just uploaded an image of Eric Gagnon and I did my best to provide all the details you require. How do I go about getting it attached to Eric's page? Sinpucas (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. You still really need to find sources for the article. Grayfell (talk) 07:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen the frequency of viewers? 682 in the 1st three weeks? This article is totemic for the people! The people who believe in miracles and Rock n Roll music! I've been searching like a drug addict for material to help your website. You've become a fixture in my psyche when things get weird outside of Wikipedia. Eric loves to read the Talk sections of Wikipedia. He says, 'you can learn a lot about the truth outside of the article. You can do the same naked in bed.' Sinpucas (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the photo of Eric Gagnon? The Silver Tongue may be a dead link, but I have a copy of the article and I'd be happy to post it for you. Sinpucas (talk) 08:51, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded a new photo of Eric Gagnon Sinpucas (talk) 09:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am currently talking with a few magazines to publish an article featuring Eric Gagnon and his work in music. He has gained a lot of attention in the last two months and he will continue to help your website. Please be patient with my updates and please post a photo in the right side of this article. Thank you very kindly, Sinpucas (talk) 09:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well... This isn't really my site, you know? There are something like nineteen million named users of Wikipedia, which you and I are both a part of. I do this because I like Wikipedia, and because it's is a positive collaboration of humans that sometimes managed to be really beautiful and honest and profound. (Sometimes it's crap, and I'm probably part of that too, but at least I'm trying.) I don't do this because I want the site to be big, or make sure it has all the rock stars or something. I like Wikipedia, and I want to keep it the amazing thing that it is.
Anyway, the old picture was deleted (by someone else) because it didn't have the appropriate copyright permissions. Since it's deleted, I can't really tell you exactly what happened. It looks like the one you just uploaded, File:Eric_Gagnon_producing_music.jpg, has also been tagged. You can (and should) read the file's page for more info. Wikipedia is really unforgiving about file copyrights. As I said, it's a really common problem. As for the Silver Tongues article, thank you, but it's not that I need to see it. There should be info on where to find it, so that anybody who wants to can track it down. Links are best, but if there's a paper edition, that could work too, maybe. If it turns out that's impossible, then it probably won't cut it as a source. Grayfell (talk) 09:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like in the time I was typing that, the file was already deleted. You might find some help over at the WP:TEAHOUSE, I don't know much about uploads. Grayfell (talk) 09:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I knew the photo thing would be a struggle. I actually read through your process for uploading a photo to Wikipedia and decided to try it anyways. I hope I didn't do any permanent damage to this article. I know you are here to help and I appreciate all that you have done so far. I'm going to construct a benefit in Wikipedia's honor and provide you with some monetary donations because you deserve it. I'm still searching for that elusive Village Voice article. Sinpucas (talk) 09:45, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You keep switching up Eric's inclusion as an American Record Producer and an American Male Guitarist. I just donated $50 to you to get Eric back where he belongs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C6:4E80:574:655F:76E:D289:7979 (talk) 23:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, Eric Gagnon is an American Producer from Atlanta, GA. Eric was born in Houston, but all of his work is from his time as a resident in Atlanta, GA. Thank you, Kindly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C6:4E80:574:655F:76E:D289:7979 (talk) 23:48, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Smith, Lee http://clatl.com/atlanta/sound-menu/Content?oid=1226324&storyPage=2
  2. ^ http://clatl.com/atlanta/sound-menu/Content?oid=1225734
  3. ^ Nicoll, Greg http://clatl.com/atlanta/wednesday-12/Content?oid=1224819
  4. ^ Nicoll, Greg http://clatl.com/atlanta/wednesday-19/Content?oid=1224826
  5. ^ Nicoll, Greg http://clatl.com/atlanta/sound-menu/Content?oid=1225510
  6. ^ Reeves, Mosi http://clatl.com/atlanta/local-music-news/Content?oid=1255440
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