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A fact from Edward Kamakau Lilikalani appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 March 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Edward Kamakau Lilikalani (pictured) filed a petition with President Theodore Roosevelt claiming to be "the sole heir to the Kamehameha rights to the Crown lands" of Hawaii?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Kamakau Lilikalani.

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Queen Emma?[edit]

I am somewhat confused by the footnote. Queen Emma was not Kamehameha V’s widow and nor did she seek to be elected in 1873. She only sought the throne in 1874 after Lunalilo’s death under the claim she was a descendant of a collateral line of the Kamehameha dynasty through her grandmother and her previous status as a queen consort. I can add some more to this figure later in the week when I get time. KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you're reading this. It was a little confusing to me, and it shows. — Maile (talk) 01:23, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@KAVEBEAR:, Queen Emma of Hawaii article says her husband was Kamehameha IV, Liholiho, not Lunaliho. Or am I still confused? — Maile (talk) 01:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, good, my sanity is intact. I got that from the Tsai article on the 1873 election, which says: "although Lunalilo and Kalākaua were the main competitors for the title of mō‘ī in 1873, the names Pauahi, Ke‘elikōlani, and Queen Emma also appeared on the ballot." At some point, I guess I got that confused with Emma's later claim that her husband wanted her to be moi.— Maile (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Emma’s husband Kamehameha IV never wanted her to be queen regnant since he had a brother and sister still living when he died. Kamehameha V did not wanted her to be queen nor did he have a chosen successor. Emma had no desire for the throne until Lunalilo’s death. Emma’s clam was that Lunalilo (Emma’s second cousin and her husband’s first cousin) wanted her to be queen after him but he never officially announced his intentions. This intention by the king was backed up by Charles Reed Bishop (...The King never mentioned her name to me, nor to any body else that I know of; and yet I think he had it in mind to appoint her...). Pauahi and Emma were probably on the 1873 ballots but never actively sought the nomination. Emma only actively sought election in 1874. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected it. But I’m questioning how much of this is needed here since Lilikalani had no direct part in the election or the riot. See Paul Nahaolelua for a general description of the 1872-74 succession issues. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:22, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I put that section in there as a background on why she was so snide about Kalakaua's mentorship of Lilikalani. Otherwise, why is Emma in the article. Eventually, we could delete everything about her and reduce the article to not much of anything. With it in there, it gives some background for readers who have no idea of the subject matter. That's what I think of when I write ... what were the events/circumstances that led to a given scenario. — Maile (talk) 03:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additional sources[edit]

https://www.papakilodatabase.com/pdnupepa/?a=d&d=KNK19171116-01.2.4&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN%7ctxNU%7ctxTR-------

Ua hauauia oia ma Maunaihi, Koloa, Kauai, ma ka la 5 o Augate, 1852, mai ka puhaka mai o Mamaea Nalimu Kiope kona luaui makuahine i nohoia e ke Alii Enoka Kanihomauole Kamakau, a ana ka la 1 o Novemaba, 1854. Hilo aku ai oia malalo o ka hanai ana a kona kahuhanai Mrs. Hana Kaleialoha

https://www.facebook.com/ron.j.williams.5/posts/10161781053080294

George W. Lilikalani (June 18, 1821 – April 16, 1874)

KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Queen Emma's spelling[edit]

@Arjayay: the spelling you've been correcting is a direct quote. Emma may have been Queen, but she was a lousy speller. Please leave the spelling in the quotation as is. Thank you. — Maile (talk) 13:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Crown lands claim?[edit]

I did not see it in the article, sorry of I missed it, but what was the result of the claim? Successful? Unsuccessful? Ignored? or . . .? Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I found no further mention of Lilikalani's claim. Considering Queen Liliuokalani had been unsuccessfully petitioning the US Government since the 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii for the revenue from the Crown Lands. When she died in 1917, she was still uncompensated for the US Government seizing the Crown Lands. It doesn't seem likely the US Government would have bothered with EK Lilikalani's claim. — Maile (talk) 22:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]