Talk:Edward C. Noonan

Irrelevant and non-neutral point of view

The text currently in the article: "The birth certificate that the Obama White House had posted on the official website had been declared a bogus document and a forgery by Sherriff (sic) Joe Arpaio of Arizona and other attorneys throughout the United States," is not about Mr. Noonan, but is an argument in favor of a legal point of view that Mr. Noonan holds. That entire sentence should be deleted as a point of view and not neutral. The "birther" conspiracy and legal theories belong in two other Wikipedia articles, Barack Obama eligibility litigation and Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories.

Further the sentence "The case was dismissed without discovery by Judge Micheal P. Kenny of the Sacramento Superior Court" appears to this reader as a complaint that the case didn't have discovery, which of course it didn't because it was dismissed. Again this is not a neutral statement. The phrase "without discovery" also should go away.

I would point out that the last two paragraphs of the article are unsourced. Dr. Conspiracy (talk) 03:27, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Going Outside the State American Independent Party or Even its National Affiliation Party is Customary Practice

The Phrase "However, the current leadership of the AIP (14 members) decided to not back the further candidacy of Noonan and instead went outside the party and nominated Tom Hoefling of the America's Party as the nominee for president." This is indeed the reason Noonan walked out of the AIP 2012 Convention before it was over. I know. I was there. I was the reason he left, since I favored at least 2 other candidates over him, one from California, one from Iowa. One not from our national party, one from both State and national parties. When he ran in the Presidential Primary in 2008, he had no delegate slate.

The California Elections Code explicitly states that when there is no delegate slate, the vote for any AIP Presidential Candidate is merely advisory whereas if a candidate has one, it actually elects delegates to whatever National Party Convention the State AIP is currently affiliated. See Elections Code Section 6620 to verify this assertion: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=elec&group=06001-07000&file=6620-6621. If you want to peruse the entire CA Elections Code, please see: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=elec.

It is ironic that Mr. Noonan would object to nominating someone from outside the party since he favored Alan Keyes for President who was never part of America's Independent Party or the American Independent Party of California (only natural since he is a resident of Maryland).

If you review the sections dealing with the AIP's Presidential Primary (Sections 6000 & 6500-6647 in Division 6, you will see that not only is the vote advisory to the national party if there is no delegate slate, but even if there is and even if it picks the candidate supported by the California delegation, that the national party's pick IS MERELY ADVISORY TO THE STATE PARTY, which has at its entire discretion, the selection of the Presidential Ticket to put on the General Election Ballot.

I suggest that the phrase above be replaced by a more neutral one such as "The AIP State (CA) Convention chose not to place Mr. Noonan on the General Election Ballot, because the newly formed American Independent Party Of These United States (AIPOTUS) had picked Tom Hoefling of America's Party (the previous national party the CA AIP was affiliated with) for its Presidential Candidate."

As Chairman of AIPOTUS I can tell you that the national party leadership did not favor Mr. Noonan either. If anyone cares to check with America's Party with which the CA AIP amicably parted ways just before the 2012 Convention and State Central Committee "Organizing Meeting" they can verify this account. I do not feel comfortable making my proposed edit since I have a dog in this fight. The current phrase is potentially libelous to the "leadership of the AIP" so should in any event be removed.

BraveLad (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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