Talk:Dub

Contested move request

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Withdrawn by nominator

The following request to move a page has been added to Wikipedia:Requested moves as an uncontroversial move, but this has been contested by one or more people. Any discussion on the issue should continue here. If a full request is not lodged within five days of this request being contested, the request will be removed from WP:RM. —Dekimasuよ! 12:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Original post on Wikipedia:Requested moves: Based on vast majority of links, Dub needs to be a redirect to the primary topic Dub music, with hatnote dab on that page pointing to Dub (disambiguation) which should be the true dab page —SlackerMom 19:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SlackerMom (talk • contribs)

Survey

• • I have never heard of dub music. the "vast majority of links" seem to be all names of bands, rather than general types of links. How long is the fashion for "dub music" likely to last? I mostly know "dub" as meaning "to assign a name", and in particular when a king declares someone to be a knight; and the movie-makers' meaning "to add a sound track". Best leave dub as the disambig page. Anthony Appleyard 20:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Uh, Dub music is an extremely popular form of music, but it's not the most common usage, as Anthony has pointed out. However, the fashion isn't "going away", since it hasn't for decades now. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 00:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support per nom. "Dub" is primarily associated with the music--victor falk 07:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think so. The first thing I thought of was animes. When a anime (or any show really) is translated, the translated version is called a dub (short for dubbed). To be honest, I had never heard of this style of music before the move request. There is also what Anthony pointed out, the processes od someoned being dubbed. The subgenre of music is far from the primary use. TJ Spyke 08:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

• • The Term "dub" could be claimed to be "primarily associated with..." multiple fields (film, anime, Scottish History, Irish mythology, Knighthood) by people therein, a music genre (which I had never heard of before this) doesn't have claim on the wordSkierRMH 18:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I only suggested this move based on the fact that there are so many dab links to repair which refer to the music genre. It may or may not be the first meaning that occurs to a person (I tend to think of "copy"), but it seems to be the primary meaning in use in Wikipedia articles which are being written right now. Most of the film and audio references were linked to Dubbing which is a redirect, and I have already fixed those. I'm happy to fix the rest as well (changing Dub to Dub music) if consensus doesn't support this move. I suspect this will require continual maintenance, however, and I was attempting to head some of that off. SlackerMom 03:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with SlackerMom. "The dub of anime by fans sometimes leads to funny translations..." doesn't sound right at all in my ears, vs "The dubbing of anime by fans...". Dub is a major popular music genre, on par with metal or indie pop and just behind reggae, electronica (it is a subgenre of both of those), rock'n roll and blues. As said, people will continually link to it by just writing "[[dub]]" in a magnitude that will dwarf linking to any other field--victor falk 08:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It depends on grammatical usage. E.g. "Someone's written for permission to dub that Buck Rogers film into Lithuanian.". Anthony Appleyard 09:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. A music genre will require conjugaison as a verb or participe much more seldom than the action of overlaying soundtracks will do. Hence, all other things equal, the noun will be used more frequently for the genre than for the action.--victor falk 11:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• I thought to dub was to convert a piece of media in one language into another language, but keep the media the same. Simply south 22:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• I am considering the results of this discussion to be a lack of consensus for the proposed move at this time. Obviously there are several meanings for the word Dub, which is why the dab page exists. The question at hand is which meaning the majority of users have in mind when they type in the word "Dub". It seemed to me, from the links in use, that it was likely to be the music (at this point in time). However, unless any more support for this move is posted today, I will assume that everything should stay where it is, and I will repair the links to this page. SlackerMom 12:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• Fwiw, here's a Hated Google Test: dub (music|reggae) gets 8.5 Mghits vs 5.5 Mghits for dub (dubbing|soundtrack|film). See also [1] [2]. Note that there is Dubbing (filmmaking) and Dubbing (music). People interested in latter can be presumed to be generally aware, or if not, be interested in learning that dubbing is the central musical technique in dub. From the intro of that article:

  The dub sound consists predominantly of [...] adding extensive echo and reverb effects, and dubbing occasional snippets of lyrics from the original version.

  . See also Dub#Impact on remixing:

  In today’s day and age, 'dub' has become a term for almost any musical piece that “Utilizes the remixing of prerecorded sound as a mode of artistic expression."

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Dub isn't an obscure genre just because a couple of people haven't heard of it.--victor falk 13:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• oppose dub as in dub a copy of a tape meaning copy is prevalent, and dub as in creating a dubbed soundtrack for a TV show or film, like Iron Chef in English are more likely. 132.205.99.122 19:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• See my comment above, as well as [3] and [4] --victor falk 16:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

I'd prefer to get the opinions of registered users (sorry 132.205.99.122), and experienced editors. Victor is right when he says that Dub music isn't obscure just because you haven't heard of it. Please consider the way it is currently being used both within Wikipedia and in the world at large. Remember, too, the purpose of dab pages is to help users find the article they are looking for. What is a user looking for when they type in "dub"? Are they more likely to be looking for an article on the music genre or the audio technique? I'm not assuming an answer, I'm just asking the question that needs to be asked. There are far more links to Dub that relate to Dub music than any other usage, and I think that is one indication of primary meaning. SlackerMom 19:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia hasn't banned anonymous users yet. As for incoming links, that can easily be attributed to a selection effect. dub music would have alot of articles due to performers of dub music having articles. The audio technique would not have so many articles, as most would be technical articles, and there would only be so many of those. This also applies to ghits. 19:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.205.99.122 (talk)

Very true. I realize the number of hits is not the only consideration, I just think it shouldn't be ignored, and it opens the door to further discussion about how this word is currently being used. (Anonymous users are certainly not banned, but I must admit to a certain predjudice against their contributions, based on general observation. I apologize if you took offense and appreciate your responsibly-expressed opinions.) SlackerMom 21:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Closure

No consensus has developed to support this move. I have therefore withdrawn my request. SlackerMom 15:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.