Talk:Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero

Request Edit

Please replace the premise with the plot summary. Add in Gohan Blanco, orange Piccolo, and Cell Max in the summary

2601:40:3:22E1:797C:B9A2:458D:5E12 (talk) 00:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

What? It needs to be done by somebody who went to the cinema rather than users who only watched scenes.Tintor2 (talk) 00:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Let me write the summary.

I saw the whole movie.

proof:

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2601:40:1:E55:9DC3:2D76:B18A:6A25 (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I suggest removing these links. It's pure copyrighted material.Tintor2 (talk) 23:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I read the summary but it is still needs some expansion considering the movie's length (and content). Also, some sentences feel biased judging by words like "unfortunately" while there is no comment about what is Final Gohan.Tintor2 (talk) 21:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

$50.6 million box office claim is still not backed by sources

Please provide sources before including. Box Office Mojo source which is listed in the article claims the film grossed $45.2 million worldwide. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt14614892/?ref_=bo_se_r_2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:447:4000:220:F145:3E2A:54CF:3EAC (talk) 02:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Box office gross in infobox

Several users and IPs continue to inflate the film’s worldwide gross despite neither box office source supporting it, so just taking to the Talk page in case it’s unclear in the reverts to stick to what the references say and not make up numbers. Cheers! TropicAces (talk) 12:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

User Scabab continues to remove Box Office Mojo and The Numbers references and replacing them with a week-old article that does not even support their inflated gross claims. Want to avoid an edit war and get one/both of us blocked, so taking it here. TropicAces (talk) 21:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC)tropicAces

Surprise surprise I'm in the same position again. Despite updating box office totals for the Dragon Ball movies with as much accuracy as possible for the past 9 years, yet again someone who hasn't got a clue has popped up to input the wrong grosses. Happens every single time without fail.

Let's make this as clear cut as possible. Last Sunday the movie was confirmed to have had a global start of $32.1 million made up of $20.1 million in US and $12 elsewhere. This did not include Japan where it has grossed at $18.5 million. The US actual increased to $21 million and so mantan web announced that as of Sunday the movie had grossed $51.7 million (give or take a little for exchange rate.). It's now grossed $27.5 million in US.

$27.5 million in US + $18.5 million + $12 million adds to $58 million worldwide. Box Office Mojo and The Numbers overseas gross makes up only figures they can account for specifically and not the overall total.

It's not complicated. It never is but there's always that one clueless guy who thinks he knows better when he knows nothing at all.Scabab (talk) 21:19, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Insults is a great way to get yourself banned and point nullified, but the article itself says the overseas total, and that includes Japan. There’s no reason it would not, as Japan is not in the United States’ gross. Also, you shouldn’t take a week-old article and manually do math to try and counter the daily-updated box office sites. cc’ing Favre1fan93 in here for a third-party opinion and avoid an outright edit warring war. TropicAces (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2022 (UTC)tropicAces

See you're proving my point entirely. You rather obviously have no clue whatsoever about this. Every time there's always someone who pops up who thinks they know better and you never do.

So let's try this again. Last Sunday it was announced to have a $32.1 million global start. This does not include Japan because the figures are based on Crunchyroll/Sony's distribution. The movie was not distributed in Japan and is not included.

Therefore it would be $32.1 million + $18.5 million. That however is based on a US estimate of $20.1 million. It actually did $21.1 million. So it'd be a $33.1 million global start which with the Japan gross on top makes roughly the $51.7 million that Mantan web stated into be at last Sunday.

It is now at $27.5 million in US so has grossed an extra $6.4 million since then which makes $58. million though more accurately at $58.0 million.

So this is not a matter of opinion, nobody that you bring over will know any better either. These are the simple mathematical facts. I know all about this stuff. You do not. Leave it be, I know exactly what I'm doing and have known for years.Scabab (talk) 00:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Scabab: I suggest you drop the condescending tone. Different sources report different numbers often. That doesn't mean one is true and the other isn't. You and Lord kai07 just seem to be replying on Deadline and even then the mathematical calculations aren't correct, because the global cume shown in it is just $500,000 higher. Since we tend to use BOM here and the consenus seems to be against you, I will be removing Deadline once the BOM global cume overtakes it. You are creating a pointless argument. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 00:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I didn't ask for opinions on my tone. You also don't need to attempt to tell me about things that I know about and more so than you. I know why the math is different, you do not. Once the updated gross comes out, it will be put in correctly as it has been up till now. Scabab (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Do try remembering that you have to be civil here and you can get blocked. We are not going by your "I know but you don't". Give a source to back up your figures. Since BOM's international gross has exceeded Deadline's gross I will be removing Deadline since it's outdated now. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 02:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

The source was already given. We are also not going by your incorrect grosses so if you intend to put them in then do your research so that you can do it properly in the future. Box Office Pro has a US gross of $34.86 million as of Sunday. Box Office Mojo has the Monday at $394,000 for a US estimate total of $35.26 million as of Monday. Comscore listed an international gross of $25.74 million without Japan. Japan accounts for $18.5 million.

$35.26 + $25.74 + $18.5 = $79.5 million worldwide. That is the correct and most accurate gross available regardless of opinion. Scabab (talk) 03:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

You are mixing up various sources and making up your own grosses now. All sources don't report the same gross. Some can be higher or lower. Doesn't mean you start mixing up numbers.

But most of all Box Office Pro only has a gross till Sunday [1] while BOM is reporting grosses till Monday which is 34.9 million due to Labor Day weekend.

Since you don't have a valid source and relying on made up claims I've undone your edit. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 04:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

So unless you have something other than mixing and matching numbers from various sources, please stop. Weekend grosses are an estimate anyway. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 04:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

But again you are just proving your lack of knowledge, no different from the other guy. Again you're attempting to tell me things that I already know and more so than you.

Box Office Mojo says $34.93 million as of Monday... because Thursday's gross isn't listed there. It's not been added on top.

Box Office Pro and Comscore have Super Hero at $34.86 million as of Sunday. With Monday it would be $35.26 million. If it's then made $25.74 million internationally and then another $18.5 million in Japan those three numbers add up to? Yes that's right $79.5 million.

Or to simplify it further for you. It's at $60.6 million as of Sunday without Japan. Add $18.5 million to that and then $0.4 million for its Monday gross and what do you get? The exact same figure.

It being an estimate is irrelevant. When the actuals come out I will correct it again. Scabab (talk) 04:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Just for future reference because you're clearly new to this whole thing. This is what you want.

https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings?country=US#1

This is THE source. As you can see Super Hero is at $60.6 million without Japan and as of Sunday. With Japan it would be $79.1 million and with the US Monday estimated gross it would be $79.5 million. Simple enough to explain but not simple enough for you to have gathered for yourself. The number is correct, leave it be. Scabab (talk) 04:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I understood you perfectly. You're just adding BOM's Monday gross to Box Office Pro's gross. But like I've told you multiple times by now, different sources have different grosses. Higher or lower. Either BOM is correct or Box Office Pro is correct. And grosses usually tend to be estimates and not completely accurate.

Comscore shows the same global number without Japan. Since we tend to use BOM over other sources so that has been used. It doesn't matter what you like or not, we go by established practice. Not your made up calculations. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 04:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

No you've understood nothing. Comscore AND Box Office Pro list the exact same domestic gross. Just as Comscore and Deadline list the same global sans Japan gross.

Comscore is correct. That is the main source for box office where other sites get their figures. Scabab (talk) 04:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I know very well they do but you're adding BOM and Deadline's numbers on your own. Even though there's no reason why Comscore or Box Office Pro will report the same number for Monday. Like I said all sources do not report the same gross. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 04:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Also Box Office Pro also gets their numbers from Comscore so I don't get why you think it is correct. BOM is used by media outlets too. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 04:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not factoring in Deadline. Deadline is just using the same $60.6 million global figure because it got that from Comscore. I don't think you really get this. Comscore is the genuine full fledged source. Box Office Mojo isn't the source, that's the site that takes the sources from other sites.

Box Office Mojo is just the site everyone goes to but it's Comscore is where the figures originate from. So it's not complicated it's just at $60.6 million without Japan and then $79.1 million with Japan as of Sunday. Then an extra $400,000 mentioned for Monday on Box Office Mojo because that figure obviously won't be on Comscore. Scabab (talk) 04:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I know very well Deadline gets its gross from Comscore. You also already mentioned that. But it was attached as a source there and used by you as a justification earlier.

Comscore's gross is higher than BOM. So you should avoid adding BOM's Monday gross to Comscore because Comscore can have a different number for Monday. Stop mixing numbers up. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 04:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

You also seem to be using socks. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 05:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

As mentioned Box Office Mojo has not included Thursday into its total gross where Comscore has which is the difference. Comscore won't have any number for Monday, it only updates weekly. This is just a simple matter of taking Comscores gross as of Sunday and then taking on the Monday estimate.

The amount of people means little. A fact will still always be a fact. Though I'll tell you what I'll do then as it will all change tomorrow anyway, I'll go half way with you and leave it at $79.1 million as of Sunday then because that's what Comscore and Deadline have got with the $60.6 million without Japan. Forget Monday. Is that acceptable for now? Scabab (talk) 05:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Since you only seem to be willing to use the sources the way you prefer and have possibly used socks I have reported you. I won't be engaging in an edit war with you any longer since I'm breaking the rules myself anyway like this and you shouldn't be allowed on Wikipedia. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 05:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

It is not a matter of preference. It is correct. Why would you possibly place Box Office Mojo over Comscore when 1. BOM is missing an entire days gross and 2. BOM get their figures from Comscore anyway. And as mentioned it wasn't a sock, I was getting a source up on here and used my phone to input it and it's just not logged in, it's not a big conspiracy. Scabab (talk) 05:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

So Screendaily listed the same international cume as Box Office Mojo. I emailed the writer of the article and he explained to me that

"Comscore sent me an inaccurate Top 10 worldwide chart.....Comscore have now sent a revised top 10 chart."

So there you have it. The initial figures and what is displayed on BOM is inaccurate. The figures that were released a few hours later on the Comscore website itself are the correct figures. Apparently an updated version of these figures will be posted on Screendaily also tomorrow.

Scabab (talk) 18:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Box Office Figure

I'm making another section for this because the one above got too long. According to this source from Toei [2] the film has grossed ¥2.5 billion in Japan and ¥11.3 billion overseas, for a total of ¥13.8 billion worldwide. My question now is mainly about the conversion, since there is an IP arguing that ¥13.8 equals $104.3 million. Per WP:CALC, "Routine calculations do not count as original research […] Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age, is almost always permissible." However, I'm not sure if this kind of calculation, i.e. convert yen to USD, falls under this. I personally prefer a reliable source that explicitly, literally, confirms the over $100 million gross, but if it is possible to allow the conversion somehow, I wouldn't mind to keep the figure. Xexerss (talk) 16:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)