Talk:Dogar

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Let us upgrade

For the year 2006-07, let us concentrate on upgrading the contents as decided: Wales to upgrade quality of Wiki. Thanks. --Bhadani 03:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I meant please expand the contents. --Bhadani 14:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion by ip 38.112.25.6 in the introduction.

Hi 38.112.25.6
There are Hindu and Sikh Dogars living in India . My friend please do not delete their mention from the introduction .There are several online telephone directorys of India and you may like to check out Dogars listed in one of the many cities of Punjab Haryana .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 05:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There are Maney dogars living in turky Azerbaijan Central Asia Albania Syria and Iraq . In 1905 British census reports shows there population in subcontinent there 75080 are Muslims 95 Hindus 7 Sikhs and 2 jains Dr usman dogar (talk) 22:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

In turky there are more 150000 dogar name people online same in Albania Iraq and Syria Russia and Azerbaijan Dr usman dogar (talk) 22:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The Dogars are a Muslim Turkic tribe, now known mostly in both Pakistan and Turkey, as both Dogars and (Artocids). Was According to Mahmud Kashghari, it was the 18th largest of the Oghuz tribes. During the Ottoman Empire, some members of the Dogar tribe migrated from Turkey to the subcontinent, and when India became independent, they migrated in large numbers to Pakistan Dr usman dogar (talk) 13:57, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Uncited content edits by anonymous ips

This article needs some proper references .
The recent changes in the introduction by several different anonymous ips editing the same section appear to be personal commentary .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 08:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Dogar family be merged here into Dogar tribe. They are in fact about the same topic. 39.54.243.221 (talk) 19:07, 27 September 2014 (UTC)Prof Hilda Khan Pakistan

Done by redirecting. The Dogar family article only had info sourced to Raj books and those are not considered to be reliable. - Sitush (talk) 06:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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What is the url or page address who I edit and tell me are you delete my edited page if no so please tell me where I'm found him thanks all the Wikipedia team GHULAM MUSTAFA Mustafa398 (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Dogar

Dogar tribe people mostly live in Punjab Pakistan turky Albania Azerbaijan Russia Armenia Central Asia and little in India . Dr usman dogar (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

hy 139.5.117.142 (talk) 17:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding a quotation

Sitush, back in 2016, you rewrote this article with these edits, and it looked like this after removal of tags & other small changes. As you can see, the well-sourced last line of that revision mentions that Dogars are "disparagingly" referred to in Heer Ranjha. But to prove that wrong, an anonymous user added a quote from a Raj-era translation of Heer Ranjha with this edit. But we neither use primary sources like Heer Ranjha for such details nor their Raj-era translations. So, shouldn't we restore your original version?

PS: A disruptive editor is constantly blanking the sourced content, along with adding OR or unsourced details in the article. And an IP user is also doing the same edits. So it would be helpful if you can add this page to your watchlist. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, my version would appear to be the one that complies with policy etc. I think the article may already be watchlisted but watchlists are a pain to use on the mobile WP and I am mostly stuck with that at the moment. Perhaps @RegentsPark: would consider some form of protection, depending on the frequency of disruption etc - WP:RFPP is an option but you are at the whim of which ever admin sees it first & quite often it is someone who doesn't appreciate the situation, especially if it is a slow edit war. - Sitush (talk) 05:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks like a case of WP:NOTHERE. Let's see what happens when the editor returns after the block. --regentspark (comment) 10:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I have reverted the poorly-sourced additions. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

"'zamindar' community"?

The assertion (here) that "Dogar is a 'zamindar' community..." appeared to be contradicted both internally and by potential reliable sourcing. 86.172.165.222 (talk) 13:40, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Alternatively (and I'm way out of my depth here), the term may merely require some sort of contextualization (for example, were the Dogar perhaps classified by the British as zamindari?). 86.172.165.222 (talk) 14:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

References

13th C Turkish origin?

Moving (and replacing[1] with reliably sourced content) another unsourced claim[2] [@Materialscientist: recently trimmed/rolled-back[3]] here:

Dogar tribe is of Turkish origin which settled in the sub-continent after the 13th century.

Is there any reliable sourcing for the claim regarding 13th C Turkish origin? 86.172.165.222 (talk) 14:40, 12 September 2022 (UTC)86.172.165.222 (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Moved content, 31 October 2023

Moving here (mainly) unverified content inserted as part of a substantial edit by an ip editor:

The Dogars may possess a Turkish-Kurdish origin based on the emigration of a scion of Oghuz Khan, known as the Döger. This theory is reinforced by the Dogar/ Togar/ Döğer (tribe) of Turkey.

The first two cited sources here were unverifiable, with no mention of "Dogar" (the third was not readily consultable).

86.180.70.44 (talk) 13:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Primary source (Rose, 1911)

Moving here a primary source that exhibits traits characteristic of its period and should be used with caution, per WP:PRIMARY:

• Horace Arthur Rose (1911). The Dogars. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

86.140.161.255 (talk) 13:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

...now reinserted[4] under ==Further reading==
86.172.165.248 (talk) 10:02, 6 July 2023 (UTC)