Talk:Diplomatic uniform

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Did you know... that diplomats from some countries still wear ornate diplomatic uniforms on certain occasions?

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Regarding this sentence in the article: The wearing of uniform by all Soviet diplomats on formal occasions was officially discontinued in 1954; thereafter only ambassadors continued to wear the dress uniform, without the dagger, on special occasions.[3][4] Senior officials of the Soviet Foreign Ministry still wore a double-breasted dark blue uniform with gold braided cuffs and collar patches when attending credential presentations by foreign ambassadors, as late as the 1980s. After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 that practice appears to have ceased.[3]

I have never seen or read about blue uniforms for senior officials. After 1954 all ranks lost their everyday uniform and all ranks lost their cerimonial black uniforms except Ambassador, Minister 1 class and Minister 2 class. The M54/55 parade uniforms were issues in two colours black and white(for countries with a tropical climate) i never seen or read anywere of a blue one! Is it possible to see a photo or see a source for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.17.94 (talk) 16:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In 1988 I was posted to my country's embassy in Moscow and attended the credentials presentation ceremony for our ambassador in the Kremlin. The three most senior Soviet officials present wore dress uniforms of the type described. However looking more closely at colour photographs of the occasion the uniforms were closer to black than dark blue. Wording of article changed accordingly. Buistr (talk) 19:16, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you for the clarifications. Since this is an active topic of research for me would you mind sharing some photos if possible? I'm a novice in using Wikipedia so i don't know if this is the right place to ask. Forgive me for that. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buttonroom (talk • contribs) 12:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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United States section - T. Roosevelt at the funeral of Edward VII[edit]

The current text states "In 1910, Theodore Roosevelt attracted considerable attention when he was the only foreign official at the funeral of King Edward VII who was not in uniform." This is cited to Hackspiel-Mikosch, Elisabeth (2005). "Uniforms, diplomatic". In Steele, Valerie. Encyclopedia of Clothing and Fashion. 3. Thomson Gale. pp. 362–364. ISBN 0-684-31394-4. I do not have access to a copy of this work, and cannot confirm.

However, see Tuchman, Barbara. The Guns of August. Ballantyne Books (1962, reprint Presidio Press 2004), p. 4. ISBN 0-345-47609-3. "Amid all this magnificence were three civilian-coated gentlemen, M. Gaston-Carlin of Switzerland, M. Pichon, Foreign Minister of France, and former President Theodore Roosevelt, special envoy of the United States." J. G. Graubart (talk) 18:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Barbara Tuchman's "civilian-coated gentlemen" were all serving or past presidents of republics and accordingly not entitled to military or diplomatic uniforms. All of the monarchs who made up the great majority of heads of state present on this occasion had some class of military rank (although few if any had actually seen active service) and accordingly were entitled to peacock splendour. The point about Theodore Roosevelt not being the only "foreign official" in commoner's dress is a valid one. I will change accordingly. Buistr (talk) 01:25, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]