Talk:Death of Lisa McPherson/Archive 2

single event[edit]

Person is notable for a single event only - while this is not a BLP, notability is still a requirement, and salient material may be placed in a more general article - but this one ain't it. Collect (talk) 21:07, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved it. Moved to, "Death of Lisa McPherson". Please feel free to discuss. -- Cirt (talk) 13:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This person is more than adequately notable for Wikipedia Standards.swampfoot (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My comments for the Background section

After reading this and other accounts of The Minor Car Accident, I am hoping there are persons who can cite and expand the text for the event. I would like to see the following improvements.

In every account I have read, her words to the Paramedics/Responders, while she was removing her clothes, are unclear. If there is documentation for such words, I feel they could be incorporated here. The way I read it now, is that she was not injured, and acted in a way so as to non-verbally ask for help after her condition had been deemed satisfactory, on scene.
There is no citation here regarding The Minor Car Accident itself, it's cause, other vehicles, other parties, etc.
Consider that The Minor Car Accident is what brought her into the public light. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a historical reference, to be used by future readers, for analytical purposes.

swampfoot (talk) 02:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to Inside Scientology (Kindle location 3622), Paramedic Bonnie Portolano had the following exchange with Lisa (excerpted):

"Why did you take off your clothes?"

"I wanted people to think I was crazy because I need help."

The rest of the accident is pretty straightforward and including its "cause, other vehicles, other parties" is optional. The above quoted book has lots of detail on Lisa McPherson's life and death and would be a good place to start. Andrew³²⁷ 04:07, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

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Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Death of Lisa McPherson/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

*36 citations, 1 GFDL image. Smee 21:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Substituted at 02:19, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

IAH 209[edit]

I choose to do an article about a criminal autopsy; the article was about Lisa McPherson and her death that was ruled a negligent homicide. Lisa was apart of the Church of Scientology when she passed away from pulmonary embolism when she was under the care of the church “introspection rundown.”

The article about Lisa gives a lot of detail about the months and days before she passed away. I believe that this specific article is very informational because it has a decent amount of credible sources, very specific dates, and information about the people that were involved in Lisa’s death.

The article follows the five pillars of Wikipedia very will in my point of view. One thing that I would have probably changed is that the article does not really have a neutral point when talking about the Church of Scientology because when discussing the church it talks downwards about the actions they took but does not go into much detail to why they did that. I would think to add more information about Lisa and her religion to understand why the church would keep her under their watch rather than taking her to the hospital to receive proper treatment from doctors. The article lacks verifiability because it does not tell us about Lisa and how she wanted to be treated it just tells us that the church was negligent when providing information about her death even though it is important to understand why the reason of why she had passed away.

The corners report is very notable because it goes into detail about her death and the main reasons why it had happened. I think this part of the article follows the Wikipedia’s 5 pillars more so because it does not have biased opinions on the Church of Scientology.

Fordcar4 (talk) 01:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)carley ford[reply]

The facts to answer your questions do not exist. The church has either obscured them, or they never existed. It's hilarious that you're putting your assignment response here, though! Happy studying--Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 19:38, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 March 2019[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:23, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa McPherson → Death of Lisa McPherson – Content about notable death, not biographical Feoffer (talk) 01:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. bd2412 T 21:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:26, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Local Scientologist Patrick Clouden blocks Lisa's Family from setting up trusts in her name after death[edit]

This link below shows the allegation by Tony Ortega in his article https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/patrick-clouden-responds-to-hbo/

This link below corroborates Mr. Ortega's Claim showing Mr. Clouden having set this LLC as well as numerous others in Lisa's name https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_fl/N99000006189 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.179.20 (talk) 17:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment[edit]

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Peer reviewers: Fordcar4.

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