Talk:Dayr Rafat

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1931 census,[edit]

I have problems with the 1931 census numbers (And the pal.rem. numbers are taken from Khalidi): 218 persons in 69 houses.

Now, the only Rafats i find in Mills are:

p. 22 Rafat, Ramle District: 320 people, in 69 houses
p. 33 Kh Rafat, Hebron district, under as-Samu
p. 42 Rafat, Jerusalem District: 218 people, in 46 houses, I presume Rafat, Jerusalem

p. 64 Rafat, Salfit

I don't get any of those to fit with this place, Huldra (talk) 22:59, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Huldra: I'm wondering where is "Rafat, Ramle District" and why is it not in Khalidi (true?)? Then I notice that this place is very close to the boundary between the Jerusalem and Ramle sub-Districts and recall that the sub-District boundaries were adjusted frequently. Also, this place appears on the detailed maps as "Rafat", not as "Deir Rafat". So I believe that this place is "Rafat, Ramle District" and the "69 houses" is correct. However, the "218 people" is taken from the wrong Rafat and should be "320 people". Zero^talk 06:13, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Zero0000, Yeah, that was my suspicion also. In any case, this is another Khalidi mistake, (PS, your @Huldra: did not ping me?) Huldra (talk) 22:55, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Photo uncertainty[edit]

The caption for the photo just added is translated (Google) as Dir Rafat. Looking at the photos of the monastry I can't see the building as part of it. The caption also says (again computer translation): "structure that was down to the battalion the Rangers and terrorists." Which is not very clear but suggests it was destroyed. I have put the Hebrew in the Commons details section. I am going to put up a 1948 photo of the monastry. Padres Hana (talk) 12:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Padres Hana I am really unsure about this picture. Khalidi does not mention any large structure in this village (and he usually does)... are you sure this isn't part of the monastery?Huldra (talk) 22:06, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It does look monastic. But the windows are a different style from those of the monastry and it does seem to be standing in isolation. Too big for a villa? I'll move it to this page in case some other evidence appears. Padres Hana (talk) 22:16, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Caption "building that was used as the regiments base for scouts and saboteurs"

Padres Hana (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I think we need more pictures from the monastery, to see if it is one of the buildings there, Huldra (talk) 22:35, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I "recatted" it to the monastery; I am still not 100% sure though; still thinks it is far more likely to belong there, than in the Palestinian village, Huldra (talk) 23:08, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]